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Post by gmoir on Jul 18, 2019 15:21:32 GMT
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 18, 2019 16:31:57 GMT
This from the article. Dont think this would be written about him retiring as a player without it being a serious possibility: "One issue that remains under discussion is Flournoy’s position as player-coach. The forward turns 46 at the end of the month but played a key role on court in the final throes of last season. Flournoy has always insisted that playing basketball is his number one priority and that a standalone coaching role has never been on his radar. But time spent with Nurse – a career coach – and the Raptors may well have softened the Newcastle playcaller’s stance as he seeks to restore the glory days to the Eagles this season." |
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Post by mitchmitchell21 on Jul 18, 2019 18:23:51 GMT
What other names are being bounced about apart from Newby?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 19:46:40 GMT
Steve. Pretty sure your coach is Fab. Until he's not. There's a difference to the Wolves' situation
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 18, 2019 19:58:32 GMT
What other names are being bounced about apart from Newby? Matt. |
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Post by stevetheballer on Jul 18, 2019 20:33:44 GMT
“It’s still too early to talk about players coming in but the work is ongoing behind the scenes,” added Flournoy.
“We’re getting closer to finalising one or two things but nothing is concrete.”
Unsure about this statement like, erm how’s it too early to talk about players coming in, it’s 9 weeks before the season starts and take into account there will be preseason before that you are talking about 6 weeks. Need to start getting a move on and I would hope we start making player announcements very soon. We haven’t got a single player on the roster so still have a full squad to put together.
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Post by massiveridersfan on Jul 18, 2019 22:14:26 GMT
“It’s still too early to talk about players coming in but the work is ongoing behind the scenes,” added Flournoy. “We’re getting closer to finalising one or two things but nothing is concrete.” Unsure about this statement like, erm how’s it too early to talk about players coming in, it’s 9 weeks before the season starts and take into account there will be preseason before that you are talking about 6 weeks. Need to start getting a move on and I would hope we start making player announcements very soon. We haven’t got a single player on the roster so still have a full squad to put together. As the roster did so well last season I'll be surprised if there are any changes... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 21:45:42 GMT
Anyway, back on topic.....
Matt was the first person I saw when I arrived in Manchester today.
I asked the big Q. He smiled. That's all we're getting
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 20, 2019 7:52:36 GMT
Anyway, back on topic..... Matt was the first person I saw when I arrived in Manchester today. I asked the big Q. He smiled. That's all we're getting So what do you reckon Hersey Yes or No? Your best guess based on the "smile" |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 8:09:55 GMT
That they're still negotiating.pure speculation, but if he's going to do it properly he needs to uproot his family. Seeing as job description seems to involve everything from coaching the BBL team to filling in pot holes in the road outside, he can't do it from leeds
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Post by sharkfan on Jul 21, 2019 8:29:17 GMT
Joke, both at WW and NE
At least at Sheffield we are stable !!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 9:02:18 GMT
Why is ut a joke at Newcastle? Fab is coach ubtil he isn't. Just like Atiba. Though I can't the man coming calling for him
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Post by stevetheballer on Jul 21, 2019 10:08:10 GMT
A joke at Newcastle? You having a laugh.
Situation is totally different than at Sheffield. Difference is Fab has the success to back it up and has won consistently at this level for more than a decade. Ok has had a couple of poor seasons by our standards but I think a lot of that is down to not having the right players, we have never been able to replace the likes of Charles Smith, Scott Martin and Andy Thomson etc. They are different types of players and in a league if their own and a big part of why we won so much.
Fab has a job at the Eagles for however long he wants it because he has earned it, period and nobody can say anything different.
Sheffield may be stable but not going to set the world alight and feels like they don’t have a lot ambition sticking with the same old.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 22, 2019 5:55:13 GMT
A joke at Newcastle? You having a laugh. Situation is totally different than at Sheffield. Difference is Fab has the success to back it up and has won consistently at this level for more than a decade. Ok has had a couple of poor seasons by our standards but I think a lot of that is down to not having the right players, we have never been able to replace the likes of Charles Smith, Scott Martin and Andy Thomson etc. They are different types of players and in a league if their own and a big part of why we won so much. Fab has a job at the Eagles for however long he wants it because he has earned it, period and nobody can say anything different. Sheffield may be stable but not going to set the world alight and feels like they don’t have a lot ambition sticking with the same old. Last time Eagles won a slam they were a team to be feared they had by far the best squad of players (Fab being younger, fitter and one of those players). But they were a pretty settled squad as well Didn't need a lot of coaching then did they or recruitment? Since then Fab has failed consistently with both recruitment and coaching. Theres no two ways about it. Eagles standards is to try to win the league. And it's been for more than a couple of seasons they have been poor now. It's been a major rebuild every season recently and I would argue they will start this season absolutely NO further forward than when they started the rebuilding process. Each of the last few seasons they've actually started the season looking promising but actually looked worse the longer the season has gone. As of now - there is actually little or barely anything to build on in terms of players at the end of 3 or 4 years of rebuilds though?? Maybe Fletch to build round - again !!! Very few players Fab has brought in would Eagles want back at the club. And it's not like Eagles have brought in great players that have left them for bigger and better things is it? Not a lot has been learnt. Zero younger players or GB players being developed if we are honest. Very few if any players they have recruited have been a success? Very poor in recent years by Eagles standards. Fab has to take full responsibility for the above. I do agree though that Fab has earnt the right to still be there by past success. But if he was being judged on the last few years only it's not been anywhere near good enough. If Fab IS back for another season there should certainly be pressure on him to show some progress and actually move them forward and upwards again. Build something !! He should not be beyond criticism and we all know the standards he sets for himself. He will be more disappointed than anyone about recent performance at his/your club. It's very hard for an Eagles fan to ever criticise Fab. I fully understand that. But someone at the club needs to hold him to account. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 7:01:46 GMT
Joke, both at WW and NE At least at Sheffield we are stable !!!!!!!! Is that not what Theresa May said before heading into the last general election? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 7:23:53 GMT
IRF
I disagree in part
Fab hasnt got worse, I'd argue everyone else has just caught up.
I mean Leicester have got worse last season, lost more than they had in the previous 5 years, only winning 1 trophy and all. But again, has Rob got worse or has everyone else caught up?
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 22, 2019 7:28:16 GMT
IRF I disagree in part Fab hasnt got worse, I'd argue everyone else has just caught up. I mean Leicester have got worse last season, lost more than they had in the previous 5 years, only winning 1 trophy and all. But again, has Rob got worse or has everyone else caught up? Don't know if I'm saying Fab has got worse. Has he ever had to do what he needs to do now? I do think other teams have got better though and got bigger and better squads by and large Im genuinely shocked about development of players at Eagles though. Has Fab EVER had to nurture and develop players. Did he not just have the best players in the past who didn't need coaching and developing? |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 22, 2019 7:29:07 GMT
IRF I disagree in part Fab hasnt got worse, I'd argue everyone else has just caught up. I mean Leicester have got worse last season, lost more than they had in the previous 5 years, only winning 1 trophy and all. But again, has Rob got worse or has everyone else caught up? Lions definitely got stronger. Royals signed a quality squad. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 22, 2019 8:29:47 GMT
Joke, both at WW and NE At least at Sheffield we are stable !!!!!!!! If I had the choice of the "joke" in the North east or the "stability" of the Sheffield sharks, I'm hedging my bets with the Eagles. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 9:53:33 GMT
IRF I disagree in part Fab hasnt got worse, I'd argue everyone else has just caught up. I mean Leicester have got worse last season, lost more than they had in the previous 5 years, only winning 1 trophy and all. But again, has Rob got worse or has everyone else caught up? Don't know if I'm saying Fab has got worse. Has he ever had to do what he needs to do now? I do think other teams have got better though and got bigger and better squads by and large Im genuinely shocked about development of players at Eagles though. Has Fab EVER had to nurture and develop players. Did he not just have the best players in the past who didn't need coaching and developing? Newcastle have never, to my knowledge, developed a player, then again you could probably count on 1 hand teams who have. For all their infrastructure they should have a huge host of talent. That job, as I'm concerned tho doesnt land on Fabs head. Hes head coach of the pro team not the Development. That's all for the wider community of coaches |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 22, 2019 10:34:58 GMT
Don't know if I'm saying Fab has got worse. Has he ever had to do what he needs to do now? I do think other teams have got better though and got bigger and better squads by and large Im genuinely shocked about development of players at Eagles though. Has Fab EVER had to nurture and develop players. Did he not just have the best players in the past who didn't need coaching and developing? Newcastle have never, to my knowledge, developed a player, then again you could probably count on 1 hand teams who have. For all their infrastructure they should have a huge host of talent. That job, as I'm concerned tho doesnt land on Fabs head. Hes head coach of the pro team not the Development. That's all for the wider community of coaches
I'd give Darius Defoe's success in the pro game to the Eagles to be fair. They also gave Tafari Toney his first go at the pro game. Andrew Bridge came on leaps and bounds at Newcastle as well - that's just a few off the top of my head.
Granted its not a cradle to grave job, but the same can be said of Leicester Riders. There's not one player there who has come through the Rider's youth system from a young age and made the pro roster. In fact I'd say theres nobody in the league who plays significant minutes on a team who's been solely developed by that team's youth system. Happy to be wrong if someone can prove it though?
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Post by boshspice on Jul 22, 2019 10:46:30 GMT
I’m getting a bit sick of this debate rolling round year after year regarding Fab.
Newcastle haven’t been as dominant as in the recent past, but that by no means means that Fab isn’t as good at his job as in previous years. I can’t honestly believe we’re questioning the abilities of a man trusted to spend the summer with an NBA team. And not just any NBA team, the NBA Champions. That’s the pinnacle- what any coach in any league in the world strives for, and he’s in touching distance of being involved with that program it would seem.
Rob is no blue-eyed boy either. I put my thoughts across about his overall performance last season on the Leicester in Europe thread. You can’t question Fab’s recruitment when Riders have not been able to recruit a decent big for a whole season from scratch since Jason Johnson/ Tommy Swanson. Until they sort that out (among other issues that have been discussed in other threads), they’ll continue to be a big fish in a small pond and won’t make any progress in any Euro competition. Riders are facing a major rebuild this summer (mind you they’ve signed some very good recruits this far) and that can absolutely be directly linked to the way Rob handled the Trayvonn saga. That I know for sure. I don’t recall Fab ever having a situation like that...
Both coaches have flaws, but it doesn’t mean that they aren’t damn good at what they do here in the BBL regarding their overall results. Looking forward to watching a three way tug-of-war for the title this year between Riders, Eagles and Lions.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 22, 2019 11:21:00 GMT
I’m getting a bit sick of this debate rolling round year after year regarding Fab. Newcastle haven’t been as dominant as in the recent past, but that by no means means that Fab isn’t as good at his job as in previous years. I can’t honestly believe we’re questioning the abilities of a man trusted to spend the summer with an NBA team. And not just any NBA team, the NBA Champions. That’s the pinnacle- what any coach in any league in the world strives for, and he’s in touching distance of being involved with that program it would seem. Rob is no blue-eyed boy either. I put my thoughts across about his overall performance last season on the Leicester in Europe thread. You can’t question Fab’s recruitment when Riders have not been able to recruit a decent big for a whole season from scratch since Jason Johnson/ Tommy Swanson. Until they sort that out (among other issues that have been discussed in other threads), they’ll continue to be a big fish in a small pond and won’t make any progress in any Euro competition. Riders are facing a major rebuild this summer (mind you they’ve signed some very good recruits this far) and that can absolutely be directly linked to the way Rob handled the Trayvonn saga. That I know for sure. I don’t recall Fab ever having a situation like that... Both coaches have flaws, but it doesn’t mean that they aren’t damn good at what they do here in the BBL regarding their overall results. Looking forward to watching a three way tug-of-war for the title this year between Riders, Eagles and Lions. This guy knows. |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Jul 22, 2019 11:22:34 GMT
Think Wolves will be much better with Matt Newby at the helm. Glad to see him back in the BBL.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 22, 2019 11:43:30 GMT
Think Wolves will be much better with Matt Newby at the helm. Glad to see him back in the BBL. If he's got the job that's a great appointment for them They become hard to beat at the very least |
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