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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 12:12:21 GMT
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 22, 2019 12:22:49 GMT
I’m getting a bit sick of this debate rolling round year after year regarding Fab. Newcastle haven’t been as dominant as in the recent past, but that by no means means that Fab isn’t as good at his job as in previous years. I can’t honestly believe we’re questioning the abilities of a man trusted to spend the summer with an NBA team. And not just any NBA team, the NBA Champions. That’s the pinnacle- what any coach in any league in the world strives for, and he’s in touching distance of being involved with that program it would seem. Rob is no blue-eyed boy either. I put my thoughts across about his overall performance last season on the Leicester in Europe thread. You can’t question Fab’s recruitment when Riders have not been able to recruit a decent big for a whole season from scratch since Jason Johnson/ Tommy Swanson. Until they sort that out (among other issues that have been discussed in other threads), they’ll continue to be a big fish in a small pond and won’t make any progress in any Euro competition. Riders are facing a major rebuild this summer (mind you they’ve signed some very good recruits this far) and that can absolutely be directly linked to the way Rob handled the Trayvonn saga. That I know for sure. I don’t recall Fab ever having a situation like that... Both coaches have flaws, but it doesn’t mean that they aren’t damn good at what they do here in the BBL regarding their overall results. Looking forward to watching a three way tug-of-war for the title this year between Riders, Eagles and Lions. There's a big difference Boshspice - that is very noticeable to me When Riders have had to rebuild or replace players last 4 or 5 years - the vast majority are to replace players that have either moved on to bigger or better opportunities due to how well they have done at Riders OR they have retired on the back of a great season. The players have done well and then move on when ideally we would love them to stay. Riders are forced to rebuild due to success or retirement. How many new players have Eagles signed in the last 3 or 4 years that they would actually want to come back and sign for them next season? Eagles are forced to rebuild yet again due to failure. The likely players we have to replace this season will all have great deals elsewhere in Europe as a result of doing well with us. We make them offers to stay but they have better offers elsewhere. Eagles have just failed the last few seasons and then had to start again from scratch? It's very different from our situation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 12:28:00 GMT
Indeed. Good luck to him
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Post by baldereagle on Jul 22, 2019 12:45:51 GMT
I suggest we start a Fab coaching thread if we want to discuss Matt Newby’s prospects !
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Post by baldeagle on Jul 22, 2019 12:48:21 GMT
IRF, so which of the 10+ cut or discarded by St Robert over the last few seasons has left because he has "moved on to bigger or better opportunities due to how well they have done at Riders" OR "retired on the back of a great season." By my reckoning there's been a PG and a big man (or two) each year. Did Larson or de They (or whatever he was called) really "move on to bigger or better opportunities due to how well they have done at Riders". What about all the hobbling PGs? Or maybe you were referring to TrayVonn?
My analysis, which I would argue is closer to the mark, is that both Eagles and Riders have profited from some exceptional "non-import" American talent (Smith and Thomson for Newcastle; Bernadini, Thomson and Hampton for Leicester) and that both have, not surprisingly, found them difficult to replace. That is no real fault of either coach. Neither is faultless (if they were, they wouldn't be here) but both are talented and committed and have done great jobs for their respective teams over a decent number of years.
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Post by MacSporran on Jul 22, 2019 12:53:44 GMT
IRF, so which of the 10+ cut or discarded by St Robert over the last few seasons has left because he has "moved on to bigger or better opportunities due to how well they have done at Riders" OR "retired on the back of a great season." By my reckoning there's been a PG and a big man (or two) each year. Did Larson or de They (or whatever he was called) really "move on to bigger or better opportunities due to how well they have done at Riders". What about all the hobbling PGs? Or maybe you were referring to TrayVonn? My analysis, which I would argue is closer to the mark, is that both Eagles and Riders have profited from some exceptional "non-import" American talent (Smith and Thomson for Newcastle; Bernadini, Thomson and Hampton for Leicester) and that both have, not surprisingly, found them difficult to replace. That is no real fault of either coach. Neither is faultless (if they were, they wouldn't be here) but both are talented and committed and have done great jobs for their respective teams over a decent number of years. Spot on Baldeagle - IRF drivelling again.. |
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Post by saintpat on Jul 22, 2019 13:47:12 GMT
Newcastle have never, to my knowledge, developed a player, then again you could probably count on 1 hand teams who have. For all their infrastructure they should have a huge host of talent. That job, as I'm concerned tho doesnt land on Fabs head. Hes head coach of the pro team not the Development. That's all for the wider community of coaches
I'd give Darius Defoe's success in the pro game to the Eagles to be fair. They also gave Tafari Toney his first go at the pro game. Andrew Bridge came on leaps and bounds at Newcastle as well - that's just a few off the top of my head.
Granted its not a cradle to grave job, but the same can be said of Leicester Riders. There's not one player there who has come through the Rider's youth system from a young age and made the pro roster. In fact I'd say theres nobody in the league who plays significant minutes on a team who's been solely developed by that team's youth system. Happy to be wrong if someone can prove it though?
Jordan Spencer- Lions junior set-up whilst we were in MK, major and very important minutes for Lions last season. Unless we're not counting the junior set-up as he went to college in America, but I'd still class him as home grown!! |
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Post by saintpat on Jul 22, 2019 13:50:30 GMT
ON the proper subject, I think Matt will prove a very good addition for Wolves and as long as he's allowed to recruit players he actually wants, then it should be a far better season for Wolves fans.
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Jul 22, 2019 14:42:14 GMT
ON the proper subject, I think Matt will prove a very good addition for Wolves and as long as he's allowed to recruit players he actually wants, then it should be a far better season for Wolves fans. Perhaps a bit late for him to recruit his own team. Perhaps by the time the league starts near Xmas he will have started to sort things out a bit. P.S. That's two consecutive posts on this thread that haven't used the words Eagles or Riders...........is this a record?? |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 22, 2019 14:44:57 GMT
IRF, so which of the 10+ cut or discarded by St Robert over the last few seasons has left because he has "moved on to bigger or better opportunities due to how well they have done at Riders" OR "retired on the back of a great season." By my reckoning there's been a PG and a big man (or two) each year. Did Larson or de They (or whatever he was called) really "move on to bigger or better opportunities due to how well they have done at Riders". What about all the hobbling PGs? Or maybe you were referring to TrayVonn? My analysis, which I would argue is closer to the mark, is that both Eagles and Riders have profited from some exceptional "non-import" American talent (Smith and Thomson for Newcastle; Bernadini, Thomson and Hampton for Leicester) and that both have, not surprisingly, found them difficult to replace. That is no real fault of either coach. Neither is faultless (if they were, they wouldn't be here) but both are talented and committed and have done great jobs for their respective teams over a decent number of years. Riders have had Drew Sullivan, Taylor King, Tyler Bernardini all retire from dominant teams last 3 years Conner Washington take the chance to play in Europe twice now Trayvonn when fit and flying take the chance to play in Europe for a better deal Raheem May Thompson leave to get more minutes Jamal Anderson leave to get a better deal (then return) Clark used us as a stepping stone to Europe (then came back) We've got Hampton, Williams and Holder all in a situation where they are looking to step up to a better deal elsewhere and remains to be seen if they stay of not etc We've developed ward hibbert, gamble ongoing and used them. Lascelles and Douse became better players with us. If they move on now again it will be for more minutes we can't promise them Last 3 years be honest - who would eagles want to re-sign that wasn't already there years ago. Fletch, Defoe and Lasker were already there. What have Eagles done for the young lad they signed last two seasons. He barely features? Who do you want back from last season? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 14:51:16 GMT
I really dont understand how someone can support a basketball club, follow them religiously and still not have a clue about basketball
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Jul 22, 2019 14:53:00 GMT
ON the proper subject, I think Matt will prove a very good addition for Wolves and as long as he's allowed to recruit players he actually wants, then it should be a far better season for Wolves fans. Perhaps a bit late for him to recruit his own team. Perhaps by the time the league starts near Xmas he will have started to sort things out a bit. P.S. That's two consecutive posts on this thread that haven't used the words Eagles or Riders...........is this a record?? Damn!! Was hoping for three in a row. Ah well never mind!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 15:05:54 GMT
I hope they plan to recruit based on scientific principles...
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Post by massiveridersfan on Jul 22, 2019 15:08:21 GMT
I just looked at the rosters for the upcoming season and Wolves have no players and a new coach. If he's going to be recruiting from scratch I reckon Wolves fans will be happy - he did a very good job at Leeds and his fiery sideline antics were great fun. If Rob moved on he's exactly the kind of coach I'd want us to sign. They beat some decent teams Leeds. From what I hear the setup at Worcester is really good and the fans come out in force for home games. Think he's onto a winner in that setting. He's certainly ambitious as he stated he wants to be at the top of the league next season. All good.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 22, 2019 15:37:09 GMT
I really dont understand how someone can support a basketball club, follow them religiously and still not have a clue about basketball Still waiting to know which players Eagles fans would want back from last season ? |
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Post by Steven McTowelie on Jul 22, 2019 16:24:37 GMT
You can’t question Fab’s recruitment when Riders have not been able to recruit a decent big for a whole season from scratch since Jason Johnson/ Tommy Swanson. Until they sort that out (among other issues that have been discussed in other threads), they’ll continue to be a big fish in a small pond and won’t make any progress in any Euro competition. Riders are facing a major rebuild this summer (mind you they’ve signed some very good recruits this far) and that can absolutely be directly linked to the way Rob handled the Trayvonn saga. That I know for sure. I don’t recall Fab ever having a situation like that... You can't question Fab full stop can you? That seems to be one of Whatsbev's unwritten rules. If, after four straight sub-par seasons (and 'sub-par' is really a pretty generous description of the last two) the guy is still immune to criticism, I don't think we should be coming down on Rob too hard for not recruiting one position all that well and not succeeding in Europe at the first attempt. Kinda seems like the two clubs are being held to rather different standards there. I don't think the 'TrayVonn saga' has really had the kind of far reaching consequences that you're suggesting either. Quite plausible that it was a factor in Conner leaving. The rest I think have drifted away for other reasons. Given that last season was not a spectacular success for us, it would have made little sense to retain the bulk of the roster anyway. Be interesting to see how Newby does with a competitive budget. Seemed to do pretty well at Leeds on a shoestring. The squad he had to work with their inaugural season really was putrid. Some effort dragging 9 wins out of that bunch. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 22, 2019 16:41:01 GMT
Best thing to happen to Eagles would have been Fab to move to work full time in Canada
Would have allowed them the fresh start they actually need for the senior team
Newby would have actually been a scary appointment for the rest of us at Eagles
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 17:08:53 GMT
Taylor king retired = still playing now
Jamell Anderson leaving for better opportunities = moving to cheshire
Tyler Berdanini the rookie = came out of retirement
Connor wanting to test Europe = Connor wanting out of Leicester for poor treatment of players
Developed Ward Hibbert = Signed him from Derby as a grown man
Ongoing development of gamble = a player no one wants
But yeah let's talk about who we want back from newcastle the last 3/4 years
I'll happily have
Fletcher
Martin
Fab
Lasker
Paige
Defoe
Moses
And that's without even looking back through rosters
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 22, 2019 20:01:39 GMT
Taylor king retired = still playing now Jamell Anderson leaving for better opportunities = moving to cheshire Tyler Berdanini the rookie = came out of retirement Connor wanting to test Europe = Connor wanting out of Leicester for poor treatment of players Developed Ward Hibbert = Signed him from Derby as a grown man Ongoing development of gamble = a player no one wants But yeah let's talk about who we want back from newcastle the last 3/4 years I'll happily have Fletcher Martin Fab Lasker Paige Defoe Moses And that's without even looking back through rosters So in all of the last 4 years of signings ish by Fab you would re-sign just Paige and Moses back? The others were already there Says it all Hope they do sign Moses (he's a guaranteed injury waiting to happen. Same as Defoe, same as Fab) Going to be very interesting to see who Eagles do sign |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 20:11:33 GMT
Literally said I haven't looked at rosters.
Who would I want back from leicester
Just Williams, Hampton has yet to play a season without Injury, thompson cant lead a team from the front anymore. Anderson will never be a scorer, clark is washed up in a riders system. Ward Hibbert , I'd take him as well
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2019 20:21:00 GMT
I'll argue other clubs on their feed now.
This is for Matt Newby who I'm very happy we have in the league again, even if he makes it harder for us
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 22, 2019 20:26:32 GMT
Literally said I haven't looked at rosters. Who would I want back from leicester Just Williams, Hampton has yet to play a season without Injury, thompson cant lead a team from the front anymore. Anderson will never be a scorer, clark is washed up in a riders system. Ward Hibbert , I'd take him as well Holder tore your team apart last season every time we played you Washington would have walked into your squad and been your best Brit Gamble would do a decent job for you as well |
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Post by raiders92 on Jul 23, 2019 4:46:06 GMT
Literally said I haven't looked at rosters. Who would I want back from leicester Just Williams, Hampton has yet to play a season without Injury, thompson cant lead a team from the front anymore. Anderson will never be a scorer, clark is washed up in a riders system. Ward Hibbert , I'd take him as well Holder tore your team apart last season every time we played you Washington would have walked into your squad and been your best Brit Gamble would do a decent job for you as well Being honest I'd take wilcher over Washington 10 times out of 10 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 7:33:06 GMT
So... Matt Newby...
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Post by number23 on Jul 23, 2019 7:45:48 GMT
Really pleased to see Newby return to the BBL, thought he did a great job at Leeds under difficult circumstances. With his drive tied to the resources and fan support in Worcester, this could be a huge moment for the club.
I wonder what this means for City of Leeds Basketball Club, I hope they can continue to progress too.
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