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Post by samgray on Sept 18, 2019 21:08:35 GMT
Probably both incorrect and both crazy.
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Post by saintpat on Sept 20, 2019 10:17:11 GMT
I think it's fair to say, all those people saying they knew he'd signed & it was a done deal were somewhere off the mark.
The negotiations may well be on-going, it will be a different experience for whichever BBL club are trying to sign him, it's not like speaking to a player & 1 agent, he'll have a management team sorting out his life at present and even if he wants to play in the UK, he may not be given the choice due to his activities outside basketball which are being organised for him. He's a cash-cow for his management team at the moment and they'll want to get every lucrative offer they can whilst he's still in the public eye, I doubt a BBL contract comes very high up the list in terms of money or prestige for them.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 20, 2019 10:24:02 GMT
I think it's fair to say, all those people saying they knew he'd signed & it was a done deal were somewhere off the mark. The negotiations may well be on-going, it will be a different experience for whichever BBL club are trying to sign him, it's not like speaking to a player & 1 agent, he'll have a management team sorting out his life at present and even if he wants to play in the UK, he may not be given the choice due to his activities outside basketball which are being organised for him. He's a cash-cow for his management team at the moment and they'll want to get every lucrative offer they can whilst he's still in the public eye, I doubt a BBL contract comes very high up the list in terms of money or prestige for them. Exactly why I believe that him being at a club isn't a godsend for every BBL coach as others suggest it is and brings plenty of problems, issues and distractions when trying to build a team or plan anything No matter how good a player is and how good his intentions are His life is all over the place right now in an exciting way but that doesn't fit with being a professional sportsman playing for a team I don't think it brings a BBL team too many commercial opportunities themselves. It does bring them a great player but only sporadically during the week. And at any stage he may have to go missing for weeks at a time if the right deal comes his way |
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Post by mitchmitchell21 on Sept 20, 2019 11:03:50 GMT
Let's be honest if he wasn't on TV nobody on here would be talking about him, I had to Google him to find out who he was,
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 11:52:09 GMT
Pretty sure all gb basketball fans knew who he was
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Post by notoriousbigz on Sept 20, 2019 11:56:13 GMT
Pretty sure all gb basketball fans knew who he was Agreed, in fact I think the GB thread will have at least 5 or more posts about him.
Further, if it was rumoured that he was coming to the bbl and hadn't been on TV - I reckon the thread will have been this exact length on his signing!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 12:03:58 GMT
Yep pretty much the premier performing GB baller (excluding nba dudes like Anunoby)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 12:16:58 GMT
I think it's fair to say, all those people saying they knew he'd signed & it was a done deal were somewhere off the mark. The negotiations may well be on-going, it will be a different experience for whichever BBL club are trying to sign him, it's not like speaking to a player & 1 agent, he'll have a management team sorting out his life at present and even if he wants to play in the UK, he may not be given the choice due to his activities outside basketball which are being organised for him. He's a cash-cow for his management team at the moment and they'll want to get every lucrative offer they can whilst he's still in the public eye, I doubt a BBL contract comes very high up the list in terms of money or prestige for them. Exactly why I believe that him being at a club isn't a godsend for every BBL coach as others suggest it is and brings plenty of problems, issues and distractions when trying to build a team or plan anything No matter how good a player is and how good his intentions are His life is all over the place right now in an exciting way but that doesn't fit with being a professional sportsman playing for a team I don't think it brings a BBL team too many commercial opportunities themselves. It does bring them a great player but only sporadically during the week. And at any stage he may have to go missing for weeks at a time if the right deal comes his way Yes, You may have mentioned that. repeatedly. |
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Post by saintpat on Sept 20, 2019 12:34:15 GMT
I think it's fair to say, all those people saying they knew he'd signed & it was a done deal were somewhere off the mark. The negotiations may well be on-going, it will be a different experience for whichever BBL club are trying to sign him, it's not like speaking to a player & 1 agent, he'll have a management team sorting out his life at present and even if he wants to play in the UK, he may not be given the choice due to his activities outside basketball which are being organised for him. He's a cash-cow for his management team at the moment and they'll want to get every lucrative offer they can whilst he's still in the public eye, I doubt a BBL contract comes very high up the list in terms of money or prestige for them. Exactly why I believe that him being at a club isn't a godsend for every BBL coach as others suggest it is and brings plenty of problems, issues and distractions when trying to build a team or plan anything No matter how good a player is and how good his intentions are His life is all over the place right now in an exciting way but that doesn't fit with being a professional sportsman playing for a team I don't think it brings a BBL team too many commercial opportunities themselves. It does bring them a great player but only sporadically during the week. And at any stage he may have to go missing for weeks at a time if the right deal comes his way He would be a godsend for any BBL club, even if he has to juggle commitments. He's a professional basketball player & he'll want contracts in the future, he won't sign unless he can give the commitment required, there is no doubt about that. If he had to go missing for 'weeks' I'm convinced he wouldn't sign. I think it will give the team signing him many commercial opportunities, there will be many media opportunities which will be a godsend to any BBL team, it will bring the team to the attention of many people who have never even heard of the team before & that always gives a commercial opportunity. If Lions were to sign him, you can be absolutely sure Vince will use Ovie's 'celebrity status' at every single opportunity. There will be companies in London who may well be available for sponsorship that wouldn't have considered a British basketball team before. |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Sept 20, 2019 13:25:40 GMT
Exactly why I believe that him being at a club isn't a godsend for every BBL coach as others suggest it is and brings plenty of problems, issues and distractions when trying to build a team or plan anything No matter how good a player is and how good his intentions are His life is all over the place right now in an exciting way but that doesn't fit with being a professional sportsman playing for a team I don't think it brings a BBL team too many commercial opportunities themselves. It does bring them a great player but only sporadically during the week. And at any stage he may have to go missing for weeks at a time if the right deal comes his way He would be a godsend for any BBL club, even if he has to juggle commitments. He's a professional basketball player & he'll want contracts in the future, he won't sign unless he can give the commitment required, there is no doubt about that. If he had to go missing for 'weeks' I'm convinced he wouldn't sign. I think it will give the team signing him many commercial opportunities, there will be many media opportunities which will be a godsend to any BBL team, it will bring the team to the attention of many people who have never even heard of the team before & that always gives a commercial opportunity. If Lions were to sign him, you can be absolutely sure Vince will use Ovie's 'celebrity status' at every single opportunity. There will be companies in London who may well be available for sponsorship that wouldn't have considered a British basketball team before. I think your final point is spot on, Saintpat. (Not saying the others aren't too!) If we could sign him I'd be ecstatic. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 21, 2019 11:46:26 GMT
Exactly why I believe that him being at a club isn't a godsend for every BBL coach as others suggest it is and brings plenty of problems, issues and distractions when trying to build a team or plan anything No matter how good a player is and how good his intentions are His life is all over the place right now in an exciting way but that doesn't fit with being a professional sportsman playing for a team I don't think it brings a BBL team too many commercial opportunities themselves. It does bring them a great player but only sporadically during the week. And at any stage he may have to go missing for weeks at a time if the right deal comes his way He would be a godsend for any BBL club, even if he has to juggle commitments. He's a professional basketball player & he'll want contracts in the future, he won't sign unless he can give the commitment required, there is no doubt about that. If he had to go missing for 'weeks' I'm convinced he wouldn't sign. I think it will give the team signing him many commercial opportunities, there will be many media opportunities which will be a godsend to any BBL team, it will bring the team to the attention of many people who have never even heard of the team before & that always gives a commercial opportunity. If Lions were to sign him, you can be absolutely sure Vince will use Ovie's 'celebrity status' at every single opportunity. There will be companies in London who may well be available for sponsorship that wouldn't have considered a British basketball team before. And if Ovie's agent knows what he is doing (which for sure he will do) anything involving Ovies image rights and "brand" etc will be making Ovie money rather than lions. A lot is being made of this. At the end of the day he is still very much a low end C list celebrity at best. Vast majority of UK will have no idea who he is either from basketball or love island. He's doing well in terms of that level of celebrity. Any money or interest in him is in him as a celebrity not as a basketball player And it's because the interest and money to be made is around his looks, fashion and love interests etc that really I would say it's impossible for him to commit as a pro basketball player for now at least The challenge for him and his agent is to milk it for everything they can get whilst he is flavour of the month And tbh anything they can do to prolong him in the limelight and build on this the better. And will mean the longer he can cash in. If they got it right commercially it may never be right for him to play basketball again - let alone BBL Right now he would actually be more suited to guesting for the Harlem Globetrotters rather than in BBL where he doesn't have to train or learn multiple plays etc etc etc And can just turn up for a night and then disappear straight off to a nightclub booking etc If Vince seriously has tried to plan a team around Soko in some way then good luck to him making it work Way too many things you can't plan around etc Will be far more things stopping him play or train than allowing him to play or train right now Lions actually need Ovie and his agent to fail commercially to get him more available to train and play for them. If that happens he may as well go and play for a bigger club for more money anyway |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 21, 2019 12:10:46 GMT
Ps first weekend of the season and whilst Lions are in Worcester - Ovie is in Las Vegas
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 21, 2019 12:16:28 GMT
Next weekend Lions play Plymouth away
If ovie is available to play in that then his agent will have failed him already
He shouldn't have a spare hour right now in his calendar
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Post by saintpat on Sept 21, 2019 13:07:33 GMT
Next weekend Lions play Plymouth away If ovie is available to play in that then his agent will have failed him already He shouldn't have a spare hour right now in his calendar Which is why he's not going to sign for anyone until he can give the commitment to a team that is necessary for both him & them. You can keep going on about it & keep saying that Rob would not sign him & he wouldn't be worth signing but the repetition is getting a little boring. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 21, 2019 13:32:31 GMT
Next weekend Lions play Plymouth away If ovie is available to play in that then his agent will have failed him already He shouldn't have a spare hour right now in his calendar Which is why he's not going to sign for anyone until he can give the commitment to a team that is necessary for both him & them. You can keep going on about it & keep saying that Rob would not sign him & he wouldn't be worth signing but the repetition is getting a little boring. Hang on - the repetition of numerous posters continuing to say he would be a "godsend" to all BBL is also getting a little bit boring for me. To me the comments are naive. Maybe I'm too cynical and have been around sport too long. If I'm proven wrong then fair enough but nearer to xmas there will be more celebrity opportunities for Ovie not less. How this all fits in with a professional sports team is beyond me? Last season lions didn't need to build a league winning team around an unpredictable talent. Why would they risk all the progress theyve made for something entirely out of their control like this? Baffles me tbh. It's like they are in limbo until he comes in to save the day? |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 21, 2019 13:49:05 GMT
Next weekend Lions play Plymouth away If ovie is available to play in that then his agent will have failed him already He shouldn't have a spare hour right now in his calendar Which is why he's not going to sign for anyone until he can give the commitment to a team that is necessary for both him & them. . Won't happen then. He won't be able to give any realistic commitment without messing up the other opportunities coming his way In the celebrity world opportunities arrive on a daily basis. They don't just disappear after a month. And his agent should be actively working every day to create more opportunities. When are you expecting a window of opportunity to be dedicated to Lions for more than a day at a time? I'm going to watch this with interest. You will have gone from a solid season winning the league to a roller coaster season if you rely on Ovie as any kind of key player If it ain't broke why change what you were doing and get involved in this. This is far more suited to Royals then Lions? |
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Post by saintpat on Sept 21, 2019 14:18:34 GMT
Last season lions didn't need to build a league winning team around an unpredictable talent. Why would they risk all the progress theyve made for something entirely out of their control like this? Baffles me tbh. It's like they are in limbo until he comes in to save the day? And you're presuming they have! You're believing all the rumours, I very much doubt that Ovie was a part of any plans when the initial recruiting was being done, he will just be a very welcome addition if he does come along. There is no way Lions can afford him within the budget which will have been allocated for players, therefore if he signs for Lions(and it could still well be another club), there will be additional sponsors/deals in place to cover his considerable costs. Looking at the recruiting, Lions clearly don't have the budget they had last season for whatever reason, they've signed players accordingly. Ovie will be above and beyond that & whilst you might get bored with people saying he'd be a godsend to any team, it doesn't make it any less true. He'd be the best player in the league. Simple. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 21, 2019 14:24:19 GMT
Last season lions didn't need to build a league winning team around an unpredictable talent. Why would they risk all the progress theyve made for something entirely out of their control like this? Baffles me tbh. It's like they are in limbo until he comes in to save the day? And you're presuming they have! You're believing all the rumours, I very much doubt that Ovie was a part of any plans when the initial recruiting was being done, he will just be a very welcome addition if he does come along. There is no way Lions can afford him within the budget which will have been allocated for players, therefore if he signs for Lions(and it could still well be another club), there will be additional sponsors/deals in place to cover his considerable costs. Looking at the recruiting, Lions clearly don't have the budget they had last season for whatever reason, they've signed players accordingly. Ovie will be above and beyond that & whilst you might get bored with people saying he'd be a godsend to any team, it doesn't make it any less true. He'd be the best player in the league. Simple. Most talented individual unable to train with the team other than sporadically who comes in and guests when available And you think that's a godsend? You didn't need any of that last season? As I've said from minute I heard this rumour I would love this to happen. It brings as many problems as benefits. At least we both agree the rest of your recruitment is not where it needed to be to defend the league. I was blaming it on Vince relying on Ovie to give him the extra he needs. If it's nothing to do with that then fair enough. Still good news for the rest of the league. |
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Post by saintpat on Sept 21, 2019 14:32:49 GMT
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 21, 2019 14:39:59 GMT
My, you really are like my wife!! If Ovie proves to be a godsend to Lions I will be the first to admit I was wrong. Does your wife ever admit shes wrong? It's worrying for Lions they need a godsend though |
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Post by connors on Sept 21, 2019 15:19:14 GMT
Is his earning potential really that high outside basketball?
He didn’t win that god awful programme did he? He is a top flight EuroLeague basketball player with many years ahead of him potentially earning decent money on continent.
What is the expectation...that he gets his face about and becomes a presenter on MTV? Roving reporter with The One Show? Make a Pratt of himself on Celebrity Juice (my guilty pleasure TV wise!).
Seriously how long does his 15 mins last before he’s just another bloke who was on TV for a while?
I think he’d be wise to keep his eye in on the court so at least he can try and pick up his career at EuroLeague level come next season when the super market opening/night club appearances have all dried up.......
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Post by D44 on Sept 21, 2019 15:33:21 GMT
Is his earning potential really that high outside basketball? He didn’t win that god awful programme did he? He is a top flight EuroLeague basketball player with many years ahead of him potentially earning decent money on continent. What is the expectation...that he gets his face about and becomes a presenter on MTV? Roving reporter with The One Show? Make a Pratt of himself on Celebrity Juice (my guilty pleasure TV wise!). Seriously how long does his 15 mins last before he’s just another bloke who was on TV for a while? I think he’d be wise to keep his eye in on the court so at least he can try and pick up his career at EuroLeague level come next season when the super market opening/night club appearances have all dried up....... He's signed a deal worth £900k to model for ASOS. So earning potential is pretty high outside basketball at the moment.. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 21, 2019 15:46:03 GMT
Is his earning potential really that high outside basketball? He didn’t win that god awful programme did he? He is a top flight EuroLeague basketball player with many years ahead of him potentially earning decent money on continent. What is the expectation...that he gets his face about and becomes a presenter on MTV? Roving reporter with The One Show? Make a Pratt of himself on Celebrity Juice (my guilty pleasure TV wise!). Seriously how long does his 15 mins last before he’s just another bloke who was on TV for a while? I think he’d be wise to keep his eye in on the court so at least he can try and pick up his career at EuroLeague level come next season when the super market opening/night club appearances have all dried up....... He's signed a deal worth £900k to model for ASOS. So earning potential is pretty high outside basketball at the moment.. And ASOS will now want him on every TV show, every red carpet and in every magazine they can get him to wearing their clothes. He will be sent left, right and centre for publicity And him wearing asos swimming trunks under the waterfall on I'm a celebrity get me out of here for 2 weeks before Xmas will be a huge target now. Guaranteed they will after that job for him |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Sept 21, 2019 16:04:27 GMT
I think this topic is exhausted now, isn't it? Every permutation has been explored.
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Post by samgray on Sept 21, 2019 19:16:40 GMT
I think this topic is exhausted now, isn't it? Every permutation has been explored. Almost... one last question... Irf have you ever seen him play? |
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