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Post by sussexbantam on Nov 14, 2019 11:34:47 GMT
Apologies, I’d sort of written Scorcher off. But you’re right, there is a scenario where they could still take 4th position, even if it is unlikely. Ha - you write us off at your peril ! |
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Post by saintpat on Nov 14, 2019 16:20:48 GMT
Thoughts as to the new format? Better or worse than previous years? I don't like it! Whilst the format means Lions could still progress despite some poor performances, which is obviously preferable to being out already, it just makes a mockery of half of the games. It also means you can be **** at the start of the season & it doesn't affect your league position, what a load of rubbish that is! Many teams have used it as a way of refining their squads. There simply hasn't been the same level of competitiveness or passion in the games. If you want to make it more competitive then make it 3 groups of 4, with only the winner going through, that way almost every game will be important & clubs will have to recruit properly right from the start. Of course the club's probably like it as they have an interest in the cup competition for far longer. |
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Post by spaghettihoops on Nov 14, 2019 16:42:30 GMT
The Lions/Scorchers game (the final 10th game for both teams) has now been scheduled for Saturday 23rd Nov at the Copper Box. But it’s likely to be a meaningless game… by my calculations Raiders have to win both of their final 2 games this weekend to have any chance of taking the qualifying spot from Lions. And even if Raiders do win both of their final games they’ll also need Lions to lose both of their final games (against Flyers on 20th and Scorchers on 23rd). I was thinking of going to the Scorchers game as I’ve got nothing on that day, but it looks like it’ll be meaningless by then. Maybe not.. If Scorchers beat Wolves and Raiders this weekend we will be on 4 wins. If that's the case the game on the 23rd becomes the decider for 4th place irrespective of what Lions do against the Flyers (as Scorchers would win H2H against Lions) So not meaningless (until Friday night at least...) Do you know for certain that h2h is being used as the decider? |
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Post by spaghettihoops on Nov 14, 2019 16:46:06 GMT
Thoughts as to the new format? Better or worse than previous years? I don't like it! Whilst the format means Lions could still progress despite some poor performances, which is obviously preferable to being out already, it just makes a mockery of half of the games. It also means you can be **** at the start of the season & it doesn't affect your league position, what a load of rubbish that is! Many teams have used it as a way of refining their squads. There simply hasn't been the same level of competitiveness or passion in the games. If you want to make it more competitive then make it 3 groups of 4, with only the winner going through, that way almost every game will be important & clubs will have to recruit properly right from the start. Of course the club's probably like it as they have an interest in the cup competition for far longer. Three groups of four wouldn't generate enough fixtures, which is the only reason this format exists. Eliminated teams would only play 6 Cup + 22 League games, down from 1 + 33 in last season's format. |
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Post by dyb dyb on Nov 14, 2019 19:28:29 GMT
I don't like it! Whilst the format means Lions could still progress despite some poor performances, which is obviously preferable to being out already, it just makes a mockery of half of the games. It also means you can be **** at the start of the season & it doesn't affect your league position, what a load of rubbish that is! Many teams have used it as a way of refining their squads. There simply hasn't been the same level of competitiveness or passion in the games. If you want to make it more competitive then make it 3 groups of 4, with only the winner going through, that way almost every game will be important & clubs will have to recruit properly right from the start. Of course the club's probably like it as they have an interest in the cup competition for far longer. Three groups of four wouldn't generate enough fixtures, which is the only reason this format exists. Eliminated teams would only play 6 Cup + 22 League games, down from 1 + 33 in last season's format. You'd only have 3 winners too surely. The winners of the 3 groups? Unless I've read it wrong. 3 teams in 4 groups? I like it as it is. I get all the questions and dislikes about teams using the time to adjust and improve their rosters. Therefore making them better equipped for when the league starts. But couldn't that be a good thing, better standard etc. I'd love the start we've had to be translated into league points, just think, points above Eagles, Lions and a great opportunity to go 2 points above Riders at the weekend. Yes please. Any Ice hockey fans out there that might help me out here? Where's IRF? Not been to an Ice Hockey game for a couple of years but I think there are some games that are 'challenge' games i.e. some sort of group staging and league games where points won in the challenge also count in the league. So you might win a challenge game in your little group but the 2 points would also count in the league too. I may have got this wrong, but what do you reckon to it as an idea? We could still have the cup as it is now but the points would count in the league. All teams would have played 10 games and even though they maybe facing a dead rubber in the cup, teams would still need the points for league standings? |
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Post by benji on Nov 14, 2019 19:34:24 GMT
1 strong team in a weak group would end up with an unfair advantage in the league IMO.
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Post by dyb dyb on Nov 14, 2019 19:44:54 GMT
Forgot to add that these games would be inter mixed with normal league games.
As I said, I think something similar happens in Ice Hockey, although I'm saying it from memory and might not have got it quite right.
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Post by mikevigorfanclub on Nov 14, 2019 19:45:22 GMT
Three groups of four wouldn't generate enough fixtures, which is the only reason this format exists. Eliminated teams would only play 6 Cup + 22 League games, down from 1 + 33 in last season's format. You'd only have 3 winners too surely. The winners of the 3 groups? Unless I've read it wrong. 3 teams in 4 groups? I like it as it is. I get all the questions and dislikes about teams using the time to adjust and improve their rosters. Therefore making them better equipped for when the league starts. But couldn't that be a good thing, better standard etc. I'd love the start we've had to be translated into league points, just think, points above Eagles, Lions and a great opportunity to go 2 points above Riders at the weekend. Yes please. Any Ice hockey fans out there that might help me out here? Where's IRF? Not been to an Ice Hockey game for a couple of years but I think there are some games that are 'challenge' games i.e. some sort of group staging and league games where points won in the challenge also count in the league. So you might win a challenge game in your little group but the 2 points would also count in the league too. I may have got this wrong, but what do you reckon to it as an idea? We could still have the cup as it is now but the points would count in the league. All teams would have played 10 games and even though they maybe facing a dead rubber in the cup, teams would still need the points for league standings? In at least one cricket World Cup, there was a format where you carried through your results from the 1st group stage into the second group stage, playing the qualifying teams from the other groups. It was their way of eliminating a few teams. Was something like 10 teams in two groups of 5. Top 3 through into “super 6”, but you carried through your results of the games against your other qualifiers, and then played the other 3. Something like that anyway. If a format like that could bring some cup results into the starting league, that might work. Personally, I think it’s worked pretty well. Ultimately teams will know the standard they need to reach for the league. Most teams have gone with pretty full rosters. No guarantee you’re gonna pick up a ‘star’ in November, nor that they’ll integrate either. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 22:07:30 GMT
Forgot to add that these games would be inter mixed with normal league games. As I said, I think something similar happens in Ice Hockey, although I'm saying it from memory and might not have got it quite right. There is/was an ice hockey competition that had games count for both the league and their equivalent cup followed by a knockout stage. |
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Post by sussexbantam on Nov 15, 2019 8:01:55 GMT
Maybe not.. If Scorchers beat Wolves and Raiders this weekend we will be on 4 wins. If that's the case the game on the 23rd becomes the decider for 4th place irrespective of what Lions do against the Flyers (as Scorchers would win H2H against Lions) So not meaningless (until Friday night at least...) Do you know for certain that h2h is being used as the decider?
I'm pretty certain I heard Dan say that at some point.... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 8:35:23 GMT
It will be. And you've now got points aggregate head to head for league placings. So you can forget seeing the scrubs in many blowouts
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Post by saintpat on Nov 15, 2019 9:41:31 GMT
Three groups of four wouldn't generate enough fixtures, which is the only reason this format exists. Eliminated teams would only play 6 Cup + 22 League games, down from 1 + 33 in last season's format. You'd only have 3 winners too surely. The winners of the 3 groups? Unless I've read it wrong. 3 teams in 4 groups? I like it as it is. I get all the questions and dislikes about teams using the time to adjust and improve their rosters. Therefore making them better equipped for when the league starts. But couldn't that be a good thing, better standard etc. I'd love the start we've had to be translated into league points, just think, points above Eagles, Lions and a great opportunity to go 2 points above Riders at the weekend. Yes please. Any Ice hockey fans out there that might help me out here? Where's IRF? Not been to an Ice Hockey game for a couple of years but I think there are some games that are 'challenge' games i.e. some sort of group staging and league games where points won in the challenge also count in the league. So you might win a challenge game in your little group but the 2 points would also count in the league too. I may have got this wrong, but what do you reckon to it as an idea? We could still have the cup as it is now but the points would count in the league. All teams would have played 10 games and even though they maybe facing a dead rubber in the cup, teams would still need the points for league standings? I meant four groups of 3!! |
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Nov 15, 2019 10:37:47 GMT
It will be. And you've now got points aggregate head to head for league placings. So you can forget seeing the scrubs in many blowouts Agreed, it's the end of the 37 minute games with the benches having 3 minutes of glory at the end. |
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Post by DJ on Nov 15, 2019 22:47:04 GMT
Am I missing something but why will everyone have played 10 games in the cup but Surrey and London lions only have one game left each which will only make 9 games? Aren’t they suppose to play each other again?
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Post by MansfieldMike on Nov 15, 2019 23:18:57 GMT
It's apparently scheduled for the 23rd
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Post by faz on Nov 18, 2019 22:22:08 GMT
I'm bored of it. Im a rocks fan but and we've been crap so slightly biased view I’d agree it’s bored me too. Effectively shortened the season by 2 months. Standards are low at the moment and will probably improve with new players coming in. Think again BBL. It's felt like a summer league in the autumn! |
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Post by LTFan on Nov 23, 2019 23:47:33 GMT
Friday 29 November 2019, 7:30pm
Leicester Riders (North 1) v London Lions (South 4)
Friday 29 November 2019, 7:30pm
Worcester Wolves (South 2) v Newcastle Eagles (North 3)
Sunday 1 December 2019, 4:00pm
London City Royals (South 1) v Cheshire Phoenix (North 4)
Sunday 1 December 2019, 4:00pm
B. Braun Sheffield Sharks (North 2) v Bristol Flyers (South 3)
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Post by massiveridersfan on Nov 24, 2019 7:12:21 GMT
Lions look as if they've improved (hardly unexpected) so it's going to be a tough quarter final, especially as Riders haven't played competitively for a while. Hoping our injured players JWH and Thomson are both 100% for this tie. Being at home is a plus of course.
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Post by saintpat on Nov 24, 2019 9:15:55 GMT
Lions look as if they've improved (hardly unexpected) so it's going to be a tough quarter final, especially as Riders haven't played competitively for a while. Hoping our injured players JWH and Thomson are both 100% for this tie. Being at home is a plus of course. Even with our improvement ( and it's not difficult to improve when you start the season playing so badly!), Riders, given how they've been playing are still clear favourites for this game. Should point out though, that Riders have crashed out at this stage of the competition for the last 3 years, all 3 at home & 2 of those against Lions, all of which they were favourites for! |
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Post by MansfieldMike on Nov 24, 2019 11:48:43 GMT
Lions look as if they've improved (hardly unexpected) so it's going to be a tough quarter final, especially as Riders haven't played competitively for a while. Hoping our injured players JWH and Thomson are both 100% for this tie. Being at home is a plus of course. Even with our improvement ( and it's not difficult to improve when you start the season playing so badly!), Riders, given how they've been playing are still clear favourites for this game. Should point out though, that Riders have crashed out at this stage of the competition for the last 3 years, all 3 at home & 2 of those against Lions, all of which they were favourites for! ...... and it could happen again, got to find a way to shackle Peel and Robinson, and defend the perimeter aggressively. There's been absolutely zero information about our injuries, not only JW-H and Andy Thomson, but also Namon Wright, we will need all of them on Friday night. |
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Post by LTFan on Nov 24, 2019 12:39:07 GMT
I’m not as confident as others on here. I was at the Lions/Scorchers game and it was a somewhat unconvincing win for Lions, so I think Riders are going to be a really tough challenge. Shame Soko isn’t joining until the week after, that could have made a significant difference to our chances. But if we do win this, then i’d say our chances of retaining the title increase significantly as we’d have Soko, Robinson and Peel for the semi-finals onwards.
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Post by blueskies99 on Dec 1, 2019 18:01:45 GMT
Semi final line up:-
Leicester Riders v Worcester Wolves
London City Royals v Bristol Flyers
Dates to be announced.
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Post by mitchmitchell21 on Dec 1, 2019 20:02:39 GMT
With the teams in the semi final dose that make the south the stronger group?
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Post by stevetino on Dec 1, 2019 22:19:20 GMT
With the teams in the semi final dose that make the south the stronger group? For winning a 1 off qtr final game, I would say no |
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Post by dArtagnan on Dec 2, 2019 9:31:03 GMT
Has there been any news as to when the semi-final games will be played? I understand that they are likely to be midweek games. However, will these be later in December or early in January?
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