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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 22:35:48 GMT
Awkward... Hamilton then deleted a second response saying "Ask management" in regards to the why isn't he playing.
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Post by baldereagle on Sept 30, 2019 6:44:04 GMT
Wow - this is more like a soap opera than a basketball team - Royalenders anyone ?
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Post by benji on Sept 30, 2019 8:04:31 GMT
I assume he means that he's expecting to play and be paid for another 2 seasons but the Royals management disagree? Or am I missing something?
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Post by youngrocks on Sept 30, 2019 8:20:39 GMT
I am lost with all of this. Royals have 2 guys under contract. They've picked up guys like lawrence and saunders so muet be paying them well. All a bit weird.
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Post by LTFan on Sept 30, 2019 8:24:15 GMT
So MBA and Hamilton were at the game but not playing… and Hamilton responds by saying he’s still under contract for 2 more seasons… so what does that mean? Can Royal’s not afford to pay him? But if that’s the case then surely he can’t keep holding him under contract – essentially stopping him from playing anywhere else and actually getting paid? And if this is correct, it’s even more odd given that Royals can afford to allegedly fly in the Lav twins from Lithuania every weekend…
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 9:07:43 GMT
I imagine this is with their lawyers. I don't think it takes a genius to work out what's happened. Given the incredible size of their contracts (the better paid of the pair is comfortably the highest paid BBL player ever) it's easy to see how this has happened.
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Post by LTFan on Sept 30, 2019 9:52:23 GMT
I imagine this is with their lawyers. I don't think it takes a genius to work out what's happened. Given the incredible size of their contracts (the better paid of the pair is comfortably the highest paid BBL player ever) it's easy to see how this has happened. Presumably you’re suggesting that MBA and Hamilton signed multi-year contracts with Royals at the start of last season, and this season Royals are trying to renegotiate their salaries mid-contract? If that’s true, and lawyers are involved, I wouldn’t have expected MBA and Hamilton to have been at the game this weekend even as spectators. I’m not saying you’re wrong, I suspect you’re probably right, but it does seem like an odd situation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 10:12:42 GMT
I can't think of any other situation. Obviously it would be wrong to cast aspersions but clubs have been known to refuse to release players until they've agreed to write off unpaid wages.
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Post by baldeagle on Sept 30, 2019 10:51:39 GMT
I fear hersey is right.
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Post by LTFan on Sept 30, 2019 11:24:28 GMT
I can't think of any other situation. Obviously it would be wrong to cast aspersions but clubs have been known to refuse to release players until they've agreed to write off unpaid wages. Again, I suspect you’re right, but you’d have thought such a situation would cause some bad blood between the team and such players, which is why I find it weird that MBA and Hamilton were in the crowd on Saturday. And Hamilton publicly responding saying he’s still under contact with them for 2 years seems to suggest there’s some negotiation going on rather than them both just working out the terms of an exit.
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Post by benji on Sept 30, 2019 11:31:49 GMT
Maybe they're at the match to be able to say that they were willing and available to fulfill their side of the contract, but weren't allowed to.
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Post by passerby on Sept 30, 2019 16:06:30 GMT
Maybe they're at the match to be able to say that they were willing and available to fulfill their side of the contract, but weren't allowed to. I reckon you are spot on here; so as not to have reneged on the contract themselves.
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Post by passerby on Sept 30, 2019 16:08:53 GMT
I would say this is all par for the course for the BBL. Not the most professional of leagues.
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Post by passerby on Sept 30, 2019 16:14:24 GMT
It then gets referred to an industrial tribunal, which awards against the club, the club doesn't pay the settlement and the bailiffs have to be sent in if the claimant can be bothered, which of course the club is expecting to happen.
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Post by nobody81 on Sept 30, 2019 19:37:39 GMT
Maybe they’ll drop the the twins mid season once they’ve cashed in on them enough and bring MBA and Hamilton back?
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Post by baldeagle on Sept 30, 2019 20:23:54 GMT
I would say this is all par for the course for the BBL. Not the most professional of leagues. Bit of a sweeping statement. It may be fair in relation to Royals - I don’t know - but isn’t something I would tarnish the whole league with. If if you speak to some players who have played in “bigger” leagues you will be amazed at what goes on. Certainly Newcastle is run very professionally. From afar Leicester looks similar. Maybe others too. Looks to me as though they signed last year on very favorable multi-year contracts and the new management is having to deal with the consequences. I have heard on the grapevine that at least one of them is on a higher salary than when he was playing in Europe. Can’t blame the players.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 20:31:55 GMT
I would say this is all par for the course for the BBL. Not the most professional of leagues. This is far more common in Europe than here.
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Post by benji on Sept 30, 2019 20:33:04 GMT
I would say this is all par for the course for the BBL. Not the most professional of leagues. This is far more common in Europe than here. 3,000 posts!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 20:49:58 GMT
Well spotted. On the same day my blog set a new monthly record. If only my team hadn't lost by 61 on Saturday
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Post by notoriousbigz on Sept 30, 2019 21:01:32 GMT
It then gets referred to an industrial tribunal, which awards against the club, the club doesn't pay the settlement and the bailiffs have to be sent in if the claimant can be bothered, which of course the club is expecting to happen. Technically if Royals didn’t want to pay them anymore they could just sack them. For an unfair dismissal claim you have to be working continuously in a job for 2 years. They haven’t. Theres no way they could just rock up at a tribunal given the current state of play. If they’ve carried out work they’ve not been paid for that’s different.
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Post by passerby on Oct 1, 2019 11:10:33 GMT
It then gets referred to an industrial tribunal, which awards against the club, the club doesn't pay the settlement and the bailiffs have to be sent in if the claimant can be bothered, which of course the club is expecting to happen. Technically if Royals didn’t want to pay them anymore they could just sack them. For an unfair dismissal claim you have to be working continuously in a job for 2 years. They haven’t. Theres no way they could just rock up at a tribunal given the current state of play. If they’ve carried out work they’ve not been paid for that’s different. There have to be grounds within the contract on which to sack them. If there are no grounds to dismiss them and they are willing to train and play, the club would be in default of the contract if they refuse to pay them. If they do not make themselves available for training and play they would be in default of the contract themselves. Once the club has refused to pay them they can take it to a tribunal, claiming for the pay owing to them and for all or part of the remainder of the contractual sum. However, it is confusing that they are still around the club this long after the end of last season, suggesting they thought they would be playing again this year.
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Post by LTFan on Oct 1, 2019 12:01:38 GMT
I would say this is all par for the course for the BBL. Not the most professional of leagues. Bit of a sweeping statement. It may be fair in relation to Royals - I don’t know - but isn’t something I would tarnish the whole league with. If if you speak to some players who have played in “bigger” leagues you will be amazed at what goes on. Certainly Newcastle is run very professionally. From afar Leicester looks similar. Maybe others too. Justin Robinson has played all over Europe, and encountered numerous contract/salary issues. He actually states his London Lions contract is one of the most solid he’s ever had (and is perhaps why he hasn’t moved across to Royals for potentially more money).
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Post by LTFan on Oct 1, 2019 12:04:38 GMT
It then gets referred to an industrial tribunal, which awards against the club, the club doesn't pay the settlement and the bailiffs have to be sent in if the claimant can be bothered, which of course the club is expecting to happen. Technically if Royals didn’t want to pay them anymore they could just sack them. Not if they’ve entered into a contractual agreement with them stating they’ll pay them £X for X years.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 1, 2019 12:18:19 GMT
I think there are different issues for the two players. I had heard that MBA was actively looking for another BBL team over the summer(how absolutely accurate that is I don't know), therefore he must have known he wouldn't be back at Royals and is likely to be waiting final payment for last season. I also doubt he'll find anyone in the BBL will pay him remotely close to what he got last season. Despite his seeming lack of team play at times for Royals, I'd take him at Lions, I think Justin could control some of MBA's more selfish tendencies & he'd be a massive plus on our roster.
I've not heard that Hamilton was looking anywhere else, so I'm guessing he thought he'd be back & Royals are trying to renege on any deal.
I'm slightly confused by Bigz comments, surely you can't sack someone just because you don't want them to play for you anymore, otherwise any contract is pointless for the 1st 2 years.
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Post by LTFan on Oct 1, 2019 12:37:54 GMT
I think there are different issues for the two players. I had heard that MBA was actively looking for another BBL team over the summer(how absolutely accurate that is I don't know), therefore he must have known he wouldn't be back at Royals and is likely to be waiting final payment for last season. I also doubt he'll find anyone in the BBL will pay him remotely close to what he got last season. Despite his seeming lack of team play at times for Royals, I'd take him at Lions, I think Justin could control some of MBA's more selfish tendencies & he'd be a massive plus on our roster.I've not heard that Hamilton was looking anywhere else, so I'm guessing he thought he'd be back & Royals are trying to renege on any deal. I'm slightly confused by Bigz comments, surely you can't sack someone just because you don't want them to play for you anymore, otherwise any contract is pointless for the 1st 2 years. Me too. Justin and MBA have a great personal relationship and are both great on the court, I’d love to see them as a duo. But I agree that if MBA is wanting anything close to what he was being paid by Royals last year then he’s going to be out of luck in the BBL.
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