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Post by MansfieldMike on Oct 4, 2019 21:53:45 GMT
Riders were well beaten tonight, but we didn't play at all well.
There was very little attempt to rebound the ball on the offensive glass, and we were also out rebounded far too many times on the defensive glass. Admittedly they do have a big front court, but we have to try harder on the offensive glass.
We also gave both Fletcher and Glasgow far too much room on the perimeter to shoot the ball. They are both small guards, and far too many times they just shot over our defence, because we weren't defending close enough to them. Eagles, on the other hand, were over our perimeter shooters like a rash.
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Post by noballs on Oct 4, 2019 23:58:16 GMT
I think there were many positives for Riders, Cartwright, Wright, JWH & Chukku all good, Jamel tried too hard & we need to jettison Scott he is shooting less 16% and would struggle in local league, please god not another Harrison Gamble. We need a fit “big” asap. In Rob we trust...
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Post by baldeagle on Oct 5, 2019 7:27:56 GMT
Very much enjoying the “Game didn’t matter” line of argument. I don’t buy it - the defeat last week mattered to Eagles.
Clearly Leicester will improve. Talley didn’t know which continent he was on last night but soon will. When Mo Walker is fit (when?) nobody will get 21 offensive boards. And I really liked what I saw from Cartwright (especially in transition), Wright and Ward-Hibbert. JWH could be their most valuable player. Make no mistake, Leicester will improve. Not sure where the much vaunted Scott fits in though. And that bench of sublimely talented Loughborough world beaters didn’t get used much by St Rob - Eagles bench played 20 mins more than Leicester’s. Whenever did that happen last?
For Newcastle, I like what I’m seeing, even without Morsell last night. Two bigs caused Leicester all sorts of problems. Hussein is fitting in. Glasgow had a great debut and demonstrated that when played together with Fletch teams can’t just collapse all over the latter. Hopefully Morsell soon back in working order, at which stage Newcastle look promising.
Now watch it all go to pot in Cheshire tomorrow!
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Post by baldeagle on Oct 5, 2019 7:28:56 GMT
I think there were many positives for Riders, Cartwright, Wright, JWH & Chukku all good, Jamel tried too hard & we need to jettison Scott he is shooting less 16% and would struggle in local league, please god not another Harrison Gamble. We need a fit “big” asap. In Rob we trust... You could have done with Harrison last night. |
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Post by Walt Singer on Oct 5, 2019 8:07:59 GMT
I also don't agree with the "these Cup games are meaningless" argument, and that's seen in how well contested many of the games have been.
My team are in the North group, competing for places with Eagles and Riders. I'm sure all three coaches will be emphasising to their players that the results do matter. Top place in the North Group secures a Quarter Final tie against 4th place in the South group - likely to be Flyers, Raiders or Scorchers. I'd much rather have that QF match-up than finish 3rd in the North group and have to play the second placed team from the South Group, which looks like being either Wolves or one of the London pair.
In my opinion, no way is this new format Cup a pre-season warm-up. Teams (and fans) want to reach a Final and lift the first silverware of the season.
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Post by stevetheballer on Oct 5, 2019 9:22:42 GMT
To me I feel like every game we play is important, doesn’t matter who it’s against or which competition it is I want my team to win and don’t believe anyone that says any different is telling the whole truth.
Anytime your team steps onto a basketball court we should be wanting them to win, nobody goes saying it’s ok if we lose, b@&&s#!|.
Onto the game and the Eagles played great, every single player that stepped onto that court contributed in some way or another and we never let up. This team is hungry and shows it, they really want to win.
Leicester have some good players but are missing one or two that’s hurting them. Still don’t think they are anywhere near as good as previous Riders teams and as things stand at this moment in time which is all we can base it on they are not going to be the champions as many have predicted. But am sure they will get better.
With the Eagles it’s looking good, still a long way to go but if we keep on playing the way we are then we will be good and we can get even better.
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Post by massiveridersfan on Oct 5, 2019 9:57:48 GMT
Eagles have a potent attacking team and we had no answer to their dominance of both boards. Clearly the club want and need Walker fit and playing. Our 3 point shooting was dire. Can Scott improve? If not then I think he'll have to be replaced. No sign at all of a 3 point shot worth looking at. How can he have changed so much from the player he was in Austria? Genuinely puzzling.
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Post by stevetino on Oct 5, 2019 9:58:04 GMT
Anybody heard from INF? 😱🤣
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Post by blueskies99 on Oct 5, 2019 10:25:36 GMT
Anybody heard from INF? 😱🤣 Ha ha.....missing him already?  |
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Post by saintpat on Oct 5, 2019 10:27:48 GMT
I also don't agree with the "these Cup games are meaningless" argument, and that's seen in how well contested many of the games have been. My team are in the North group, competing for places with Eagles and Riders. I'm sure all three coaches will be emphasising to their players that the results do matter. Top place in the North Group secures a Quarter Final tie against 4th place in the South group - likely to be Flyers, Raiders or Scorchers. I'd much rather have that QF match-up than finish 3rd in the North group and have to play the second placed team from the South Group, which looks like being either Wolves or one of the London pair. In my opinion, no way is this new format Cup a pre-season warm-up. Teams (and fans) want to reach a Final and lift the first silverware of the season. But you can lose at least 2, possibly 3 games and still get through to the next round. Therefore one or two losses are meaningless at this stage. Obviously it's better to win, but if you lose it doesn't matter! I think positioning in the South probably means more than the North but the next stage is simple knockout, so that;'s when you need to be playing with a full strength and fully integrated team. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 10:42:00 GMT
Can Leicester really rely on just 1 player to save their season?
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Post by massiveridersfan on Oct 5, 2019 11:10:04 GMT
Think you'll find Eagles do - without Fletcher we would have won. No question that a fit Walker playing as he did the last time he was in the BBL would have made the difference with his rebounding and scoring. He'd be in the starting 5 every game. Lions rely on Robinson to make the team tick as well.
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Post by MansfieldMike on Oct 5, 2019 11:16:29 GMT
Can Leicester really rely on just 1 player to save their season? No we can’t, we are relying on Talley integrating into Rob’s system, Chuku continuing to improve his fitness, Scott to find his 3 point shot, and Mo Walker to fully recover from his hamstring injury. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 5, 2019 11:26:24 GMT
Think you'll find Eagles do - without Fletcher we would have won. No question that a fit Walker playing as he did the last time he was in the BBL would have made the difference with his rebounding and scoring. Lions rely on Robinson to make the team tick as well. Not this year. They've had at least 5 guys in double digits every game and haven't had a full team once yet. Does walker make up a 20 rebound difference between the two? Well wait and see. Should be a great match up with two fully fit sides. Can't read too much into last night but I'd say the status quo of these two being the two to beat is looking to be the case again this season. I'll be interested to see how rocks match up with riders too. One thing that I did see last night that I've not even when Leicester have lost in the past - they were outworked. That won't happen too often but like I said last week this Eagles team looks hungry. Cartwright is an absolute find by the way. 19 And 10 last night - if he can keep that up Riders will go a long way. There's a distinct drop when he's not on the court, but of course Lascelles is to come back in yet so that might help a little. Tommo looked a yard slower last night - is time catching up to him? Wasn't overly impressed with Defoe either last night - looked a bit exposed defensively at times and missed a few passes offensively. Loves an 18 footer though. Eagles impressive but the one Im really looking forward to is when they both get everyone fit. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 5, 2019 11:27:36 GMT
By the way Scott has to contribute more or he's going to find himself out of work. Simply not good enough last night.
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Post by boshspice on Oct 5, 2019 13:42:13 GMT
By the way Scott has to contribute more or he's going to find himself out of work. Simply not good enough last night. Really thought he’d be a good addition to Riders from what I saw of him in Vienna last year. To say I’ve been disappointed by him so far would be an understatement. Even though it’s early doors, he has looked out of his depth so far in a more athletic league like the BBL. A positive for Leicester is that Cartwright looks as though he’s going to be the real deal. |
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Post by saintpat on Oct 5, 2019 13:58:29 GMT
Oh my!! I watched the 2nd half last night, had no idea who the new Riders players were but I've just looked Scott up on Riders roster - I really thought he was a British bench player who'd come through Loughborough and was there for experience!
On the flip side - Cartwright looks a very good pick up!
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Post by jumbo on Oct 5, 2019 14:32:14 GMT
I also don't agree with the "these Cup games are meaningless" argument, and that's seen in how well contested many of the games have been. My team are in the North group, competing for places with Eagles and Riders. I'm sure all three coaches will be emphasising to their players that the results do matter. Top place in the North Group secures a Quarter Final tie against 4th place in the South group - likely to be Flyers, Raiders or Scorchers. I'd much rather have that QF match-up than finish 3rd in the North group and have to play the second placed team from the South Group, which looks like being either Wolves or one of the London pair. In my opinion, no way is this new format Cup a pre-season warm-up. Teams (and fans) want to reach a Final and lift the first silverware of the season. Just to clarify, I'm not saying that the cup itself is like a preseason tournament, just this initial group stage. Although that may not be true for some teams who are fighting for a spot in the knockout stages after watching our first three games you'd have to feel pretty confident we could win the reverse fixtures and therefore it takes the pressure off the games against eagles and rocks. And I'm talking from a fans perspective not a team or coaches. I'm sure Rob and the team will have treated that game with the same importance and desire to win as any other. Just that the impact of the loss is negligible because of the format. Now you could argue it may go further than that because of the manner of the victory. But that is more to do with the performances not necessarily the impact of winning or losing the 2 pts I absolutely do want Riders to win every game but as Saintpat said teams can lose multiple games and it not impact their chances of winning the cup. Yes it might mean you get to play one London team instead of the other but at this stage I don't think anyone knows who they would rather play even if they could choose. After a couple of weeks it looks like there are three pretty solid teams in both groups but that there may be a drop off after that. So winning the group would provide a decent competitive advantage. But that could change as teams get up to full strength anyway. And would only give a one game advantage as it makes no difference once you get to the semi final stage. In terms of this Riders team I think through what I've seen so far if (and it may be a big if) we ever get a fully fit Mo Walker playing at the level he did for Worcester we look to be potentially stronger than we have been for the last couple of seasons. |
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Post by raiders92 on Oct 7, 2019 7:29:07 GMT
I do think the issue your having with Leicester is the good teams Rob has produced are deep and can be aggressive knowing there is 5 capable back ups willing to step in and play the same aggressive defence and can be rotated does this Leicester team have that if you look at the bench this year?
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Post by baldeagle on Oct 7, 2019 9:14:53 GMT
I'm sure Leicester will be just fine.
On Friday they were effectively without their final import (just arrived) and Mo Walker - and also Lascelles - so effectively three down.
A lot will depend on whether Walker is going to be fit or not - but if he isn't then plenty of time for Riders to react with appropriate recruitment.
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Post by lieutenantdeng on Oct 7, 2019 11:46:07 GMT
Were we without Lascelles due to choice or injury?
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Post by khadi86 on Oct 7, 2019 11:46:31 GMT
I'm sure Leicester will be just fine. On Friday they were effectively without their final import (just arrived) and Mo Walker - and also Lascelles - so effectively three down. A lot will depend on whether Walker is going to be fit or not - but if he isn't then plenty of time for Riders to react with appropriate recruitment. On Friday Leicesters final import Zoran Talley Jr played in the game and had arrived midweek and been training with the team as per Leicester Riders media posts. Mo Walker has had hamstring surgery and will be potentially recovering for an estimate of 3 months or longer. Of course Riders are always going to be a strong team, but it is yet to be seen how dominant they will be this season. |
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Post by stevetino on Oct 7, 2019 11:50:10 GMT
IRF should know all this, keep the faith unless he’s gone to Toronto to jjoin fab? 🤷♂️🤣🏀
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Post by dyb dyb on Oct 7, 2019 12:51:25 GMT
I also don't agree with the "these Cup games are meaningless" argument, and that's seen in how well contested many of the games have been. My team are in the North group, competing for places with Eagles and Riders. I'm sure all three coaches will be emphasising to their players that the results do matter. Top place in the North Group secures a Quarter Final tie against 4th place in the South group - likely to be Flyers, Raiders or Scorchers. I'd much rather have that QF match-up than finish 3rd in the North group and have to play the second placed team from the South Group, which looks like being either Wolves or one of the London pair. In my opinion, no way is this new format Cup a pre-season warm-up. Teams (and fans) want to reach a Final and lift the first silverware of the season.
Just for my understanding, misunderstanding; how many teams are in the group stages?
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Post by dyb dyb on Oct 7, 2019 13:16:01 GMT
I also don't agree with the "these Cup games are meaningless" argument, and that's seen in how well contested many of the games have been. My team are in the North group, competing for places with Eagles and Riders. I'm sure all three coaches will be emphasising to their players that the results do matter. Top place in the North Group secures a Quarter Final tie against 4th place in the South group - likely to be Flyers, Raiders or Scorchers. I'd much rather have that QF match-up than finish 3rd in the North group and have to play the second placed team from the South Group, which looks like being either Wolves or one of the London pair. In my opinion, no way is this new format Cup a pre-season warm-up. Teams (and fans) want to reach a Final and lift the first silverware of the season.
Just for my understanding, misunderstanding; how many teams are in the group stages?
Or to ask another question, how many go through?
Seems to me that Riders, Eagles and Rocks have already qualified and the rest of us should just pack up and wait for the season to begin; going on all the comments that I've read.
I find some of them ridiculous, daft and even silly and sooo bias.... I thought I was biased!
I've picked up that when teams have lost ( afore mentioned) that;
- They have a weakened team due to either injuries or players not having arrived yet - It's nothing better than a pre-season and results don't matter - they are meaningless - You can afford to lose 1 or even 2 games and still go through
Yet; Sharks haven't played with a full team due to either injuries or players not with the team Sharks have only lost 1 game - the first of the season to Riders
Adding the above comments that fans have made regarding their own teams, it surprises me ( well not so much a surprise but disappoints) that the Sharks have been neglected so easily.
Surely with 4 (FOUR) of the teams only having one loss so far, all is still to play for? Or is it really so much of a given that both Rocks and Eagles are going to do the double over us - alright I'll give you the Riders, however I should imagine it'll be a tighter game at Ponds Forge than the first game was; for what ever reason(s).
I'm sure too that at least secretly we are all looking at the other group and picking out teams that we would rather play or not play and therefore working out positioning even if only in our own minds. Not forgetting to make allowances for the said teams to welcome a full rota of players, of course.
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