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Post by foxprorawks on Oct 8, 2019 19:39:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 21:01:26 GMT
Interesting.
Nice to see it was Glasgow who started it all not Manchester.
Will be a short rotation game for them if they cant field them too
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Post by everard on Oct 8, 2019 21:06:06 GMT
Not sure I follow your thinking -Glasgow started it.
How a club can think they can play THREE ineligible players is unbelievable
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Post by samgray on Oct 8, 2019 21:17:43 GMT
So who can rocks actually play in this game?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 21:17:49 GMT
Who was the 3rd? I know Eli Pepper was one
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Post by blueskies99 on Oct 8, 2019 21:40:25 GMT
Do Glasgow have to pay the Manchester expenses for the re-played game?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 1:34:34 GMT
Not sure I follow your thinking -Glasgow started it. How a club can think they can play THREE ineligible players is unbelievable Glasgow raised the concern with the bbl, essentially owning up to a mistake they made |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 6:38:05 GMT
This also negatively affects Manchester in having to play an additional game. Fatigue, potential injuries etc.
The right decision would've been an outright forfeit. Switch the score around.
Will be made even more awkward if for the rearranged date, one or both of the teams have injured players will were eligible for the original game... or worse, have since cut a player or two who were eligible originally.
It's a mess. Pick a result, don't replay it.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 9, 2019 6:52:21 GMT
Manchester have been bent over a table here.
They did nothing wrong - it doesn't matter who brought it to the leagues attention (what kind of two bit joker of an organisation should need it bringing to their attention anyway?), and now have to pay the expenses of going back up to Glasgow, putting more miles in the legs of their already paper thin (and injury hit) squad, all to replay a game because the other team decided to just play who they wanted without checking registrations?
Utterly ridiculous. If I were Manchester, I'd refuse to go. Why should they?
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Post by sussexbantam on Oct 9, 2019 7:12:37 GMT
Manchester have been bent over a table here. They did nothing wrong - it doesn't matter who brought it to the leagues attention (what kind of two bit joker of an organisation should need it bringing to their attention anyway?), and now have to pay the expenses of going back up to Glasgow, putting more miles in the legs of their already paper thin (and injury hit) squad, all to replay a game because the other team decided to just play who they wanted without checking registrations? Utterly ridiculous. If I were Manchester, I'd refuse to go. Why should they? It will be even more ridiculous if Giants are already out before the replayed game... |
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Post by benji on Oct 9, 2019 7:22:54 GMT
Might Giants prefer to replay the game at their venue? Maybe it should be their choice whether to replay?
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Post by Walt Singer on Oct 9, 2019 7:47:57 GMT
Giants shouldn't have to travel. It was the game in Manchester, first of the season, when the issue arose.
There's another topic on here about Rocks recruiting a GM. I think the two issues are related. I suspect knowledge was lost when the 9-year veteran GM left in March, and that he wasn't adequately replaced, leading to a mistake.
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Post by scotball on Oct 9, 2019 8:21:26 GMT
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Post by bblfollower on Oct 9, 2019 8:34:34 GMT
Quite right by Rocks. Newcastle Eagles given little more than a slap on the wrist for the nonsense surrounding Darius Defoe. I'd be disappointed too. |
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Post by DefyingGravity on Oct 9, 2019 8:35:22 GMT
Giants shouldn't have to travel. It was the game in Manchester, first of the season, when the issue arose. There's another topic on here about Rocks recruiting a GM. I think the two issues are related. I suspect knowledge was lost when the 9-year veteran GM left in March, and that he wasn't adequately replaced, leading to a mistake. Correct |
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Post by DefyingGravity on Oct 9, 2019 8:35:56 GMT
Quite right by Rocks. Newcastle Eagles given little more than a slap on the wrist for the nonsense surrounding Darius Defoe. I'd be disappointed too. Totally agree. |
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Post by giant on Oct 9, 2019 8:47:55 GMT
Quite right by Rocks. Newcastle Eagles given little more than a slap on the wrist for the nonsense surrounding Darius Defoe. I'd be disappointed too. Totally agree. I'm struggling to see what the Rocks expect.
They played with 3 players who shouldn't have played, we had one player also waiting for papers but he didn't play.
Would they prefer a fine and a loss?
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Post by bblfollower on Oct 9, 2019 8:50:31 GMT
I'm struggling to see what the Rocks expect.
They played with 3 players who shouldn't have played, we had one player also waiting for papers but he didn't play.
Would they prefer a fine and a loss?
Guessing they'd prefer treated in the same way Newcastle did. Personally I'd punish every team who fields an ineligible player with a 20 point loss, meaning no grey areas or inconsistent rulings. |
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Post by benji on Oct 9, 2019 9:26:41 GMT
My bad, I went from comments on here suggesting Manchester would have to travel.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 9, 2019 9:29:22 GMT
Oh yeah, me too. I assume its a Manchester home game then? Still, I'd refuse to host it.
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Post by DefyingGravity on Oct 9, 2019 9:31:49 GMT
I'm struggling to see what the Rocks expect.
They played with 3 players who shouldn't have played, we had one player also waiting for papers but he didn't play.
Would they prefer a fine and a loss?
As mentioned, I think we would like the same treatment as Newcastle. Definitely no issue with punishing teams for playing illegible players. My issue lies with the lack of consistency sadly. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 11:21:40 GMT
Quite right by Rocks. Newcastle Eagles given little more than a slap on the wrist for the nonsense surrounding Darius Defoe. I'd be disappointed too. Nonsense. Completely different. Some thoughts. |
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Post by everard on Oct 9, 2019 11:51:40 GMT
So Glasgow choose to play 3 player who were ineligible whilst Giants didn't play 1 because he was ineligible.
"Glasgow Rocks is the #1 professional basketball team which competes in the BBL. One of the leading franchises in the top-tier league!"
"The Rocks fully acknowledged that we made a basic error that resulted in us fielding 3 players that did not have full clearance from Basketball England, ... all 3 players were fully registered within 3 business days of realizing the error, for the avoidance of doubt it was an error around process rather than eligibility."
Do the Rocks not realise that if a player is not registered than they are ineligible.
But the punishment is actually hitting them 3 times! Fine, replay game and travel costs. They should appeal and agree to forfeit the game. As would be the punishment in most sports, even at a local league level.
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Post by LTFan on Oct 9, 2019 12:27:38 GMT
My thoughts…
All this talk about it being good that Rocks came forward and owned up to this mistake… let’s be honest, they came forward because they knew they’d be found out, so thought it better to get ahead of the issue. If there was any chance they’d have thought it would have gone completely unnoticed by anyone they’d have kept quiet (as I’m sure almost everyone would have).
Regarding the penalty – I wouldn’t insist on a replay. Just declare that Rocks have to forfeit the game and mark it as a Giants win (and hope it doesn’t come down to points differences at the end of the groups stage!). If that was done I’m not sure a fine is still necessary, unless it’s a bit of a money making exercise for the BBL.
And to those saying they think Giants should refuse to re-play the game… I certainly understand where that’s coming from. But given that the BBL has made its decision then surely if Giants now refused to play they’d actually be the ones forfeiting the game and sacrificing any points, which would be truly ridiculous.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 9, 2019 12:32:36 GMT
My thoughts… All this talk about it being good that Rocks came forward and owned up to this mistake… let’s be honest, they came forward because they knew they’d be found out, so thought it better to get ahead of the issue. If there was any chance they’d have thought it would have gone completely unnoticed by anyone they’d have kept quiet (as I’m sure almost everyone would have). Regarding the penalty – I wouldn’t insist on a replay. Just declare that Rocks have to forfeit the game and mark it as a Giants win (and hope it doesn’t come down to points differences at the end of the groups stage!). If that was done I’m not sure a fine is still necessary, unless it’s a bit of a money making exercise for the BBL. And to those saying they think Giants should refuse to re-play the game… I certainly understand where that’s coming from. But given that the BBL has made its decision then surely if Giants now refused to play they’d actually be the ones forfeiting the game and sacrificing any points, which would be truly ridiculous. Giants are a loss or two away from being out of the competition anyway, so why would they be bothered? |
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