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Post by youngrocks on Oct 9, 2019 12:39:11 GMT
The whole episode has been a farce. Rocks rightly penalized but if giants were advised not to play said player why weren't the rocks told the same.
The resulting fine and replay makes zero sense as well. Just make it a 20-0 giants win as everyone expects.
A rocks dsn on Facebook mentioned that for the reason the coach kept the guys playing to push the lead above 20 so thst points difference rocks would be better off.
I understand the defoe argument. Its clear to see that he was playing as an ineligible player for years and nobody until commy games time noticed it. It was all swept under the rug. Was any fine or punishment issued. Not to my knowledge. If this is the bbl starting again as such then they've set a strange presidence that a replay was called.
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Post by bblfollower on Oct 9, 2019 12:42:12 GMT
Quite right by Rocks. Newcastle Eagles given little more than a slap on the wrist for the nonsense surrounding Darius Defoe. I'd be disappointed too. Nonsense. Completely different. Some thoughts.Fault on both sides. Not exactly BE's responsibility that Darius Defoe didn't apply for a British passport. That's on him. However I take your point. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 12:59:53 GMT
The whole episode has been a farce. Rocks rightly penalized but if giants were advised not to play said player why weren't the rocks told the same. I understand the defoe argument. Its clear to see that he was playing as an ineligible player for years and nobody until commy games time noticed it. It was all swept under the rug. Was any fine or punishment issued. Not to my knowledge. If this is the bbl starting again as such then they've set a strange presidence that a replay was called. No one would've told Giants not to play their guy, you just don't do it. It's a basic competence thing. Defoe was classed as British before he arrived at Eagles. It was an England Basketball (as was) screw up. Who gets fined? |
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Post by youngrocks on Oct 9, 2019 14:19:59 GMT
I believe they were / giants sounded out basketball england. If the case rocks have only got themselves to blame. The third player would have been russell
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 14:36:29 GMT
Do Glasgow get to play the players that shouldnt have played originally or are the OK to play because they've been registered properly this time?
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Post by MacSporran on Oct 9, 2019 14:40:03 GMT
To me its a sign of the administrative malaise that has struck the Rocks over the last couple of years. Culminating with playing ineligible players. If a team plays ineligible players in an official competition then the result should be to lose the game 20-0. Its tough on the team - but ultimately its an administration fault.
Just my 2 pence worth.
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Post by MacSporran on Oct 9, 2019 14:41:04 GMT
Do Glasgow get to play the players that shouldnt have played originally or are the OK to play because they've been registered properly this time? I believe they have to play with players that were eligible at the time. i.e. not the 3 that were ineligible. |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 9, 2019 15:28:28 GMT
My thoughts… All this talk about it being good that Rocks came forward and owned up to this mistake… let’s be honest, they came forward because they knew they’d be found out, so thought it better to get ahead of the issue. If there was any chance they’d have thought it would have gone completely unnoticed by anyone they’d have kept quiet (as I’m sure almost everyone would have). Regarding the penalty – I wouldn’t insist on a replay. Just declare that Rocks have to forfeit the game and mark it as a Giants win (and hope it doesn’t come down to points differences at the end of the groups stage!). If that was done I’m not sure a fine is still necessary, unless it’s a bit of a money making exercise for the BBL. And to those saying they think Giants should refuse to re-play the game… I certainly understand where that’s coming from. But given that the BBL has made its decision then surely if Giants now refused to play they’d actually be the ones forfeiting the game and sacrificing any points, which would be truly ridiculous. Giants are a loss or two away from being out of the competition anyway, so why would they be bothered? Hadn't thought about that. Fair point. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 16:36:28 GMT
Do Glasgow get to play the players that shouldnt have played originally or are the OK to play because they've been registered properly this time? I believe they have to play with players that were eligible at the time. i.e. not the 3 that were ineligible. Which is a problem in itself.
If some of those eligible players happen to be injured on the new date, along with the players that weren't eligible to play, they may not have enough players to fulfil the fixture!
Not to mention if a player or two have been cut by then, making the roster even smaller.
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Post by benji on Oct 9, 2019 16:53:19 GMT
Do Glasgow get to play the players that shouldnt have played originally or are the OK to play because they've been registered properly this time? If they got to use the players who shouldn't have been in the game, what would be the point of replaying it? |
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Post by dandayr on Oct 9, 2019 18:04:49 GMT
so I guess the BBL regulations are a secret that no one can go and read? Surely it is documented what occurs if a rule is broken?
What about the BasketballEngland regulations what do they do if an ineligible player played in NBL?
The BasketballScotland regs are published - the punishment for ineligible player use is clear. I you lost the score stands. If you won it becomes a 20-0 defeat. For each ineligible player there is a fine so three players fine triples.
Biggest surprise is as part of the pre-game a BBL side doesnot have to produce a teamlist showing all playing are registered by the deadline for that game - us amateur teams need to do that, surprised its not at all levels.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 18:33:59 GMT
Basketball England's regs aren't relevant, but are the same Scotland's. And pretty much the whole world
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Post by rideralex on Oct 9, 2019 20:40:27 GMT
so I guess the BBL regulations are a secret that no one can go and read? Surely it is documented what occurs if a rule is broken? What about the BasketballEngland regulations what do they do if an ineligible player played in NBL? The BasketballScotland regs are published - the punishment for ineligible player use is clear. I you lost the score stands. If you won it becomes a 20-0 defeat. For each ineligible player there is a fine so three players fine triples. Biggest surprise is as part of the pre-game a BBL side doesnot have to produce a teamlist showing all playing are registered by the deadline for that game - us amateur teams need to do that, surprised its not at all levels. if anyone can actually be bothered to read a 83 page doccument |
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Post by doners123 on Oct 9, 2019 21:56:41 GMT
Anybody know why Devontavius Payne isn’t playing for Rocks atm ?!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 2:21:40 GMT
Anybody know why Devontavius Payne isn’t playing for Rocks atm ?! Because he's not a Glasgow Rocks player, probably. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 6:24:35 GMT
Anybody know why Devontavius Payne isn’t playing for Rocks atm ?! He was released when they messed up his Visa |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 10, 2019 13:12:27 GMT
so I guess the BBL regulations are a secret that no one can go and read? Surely it is documented what occurs if a rule is broken? What about the BasketballEngland regulations what do they do if an ineligible player played in NBL? The BasketballScotland regs are published - the punishment for ineligible player use is clear. I you lost the score stands. If you won it becomes a 20-0 defeat. For each ineligible player there is a fine so three players fine triples. Biggest surprise is as part of the pre-game a BBL side doesnot have to produce a teamlist showing all playing are registered by the deadline for that game - us amateur teams need to do that, surprised its not at all levels. if anyone can actually be bothered to read a 83 page doccument Well I just read it, or skim read it. I can’t see anything relating to this specific scenario but it does state: “33.23 The Disciplinary Panel can take any appropriate decision, including without limitation partial or full replay of the game.”It also states: Rule 24 – ‘Fielding an ineligible player’ carries a fine of £1,000. So presumably Rocks were fined £3,000 although the BBL has said they won’t be commenting on how much Rocks were fined. So it appears everything was done by the book, even if the rules in that book are, errr, interesting. |
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Post by 33bird on Oct 10, 2019 16:54:12 GMT
I had a skim read as well. Never realised all the rules around payments, accommodation etc. For the refs. G7 states these are settled after each game by the club and then at the end of each season the bbl performs an equalization calculation. All seems over complicated to me when any normal organisation would settle expenses centrally.
Shame you don't get to see the franchise agreement for obvious reasons. I wonder if certain regions would receive more favorable terms in order to attract a club in that area.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 10, 2019 21:50:40 GMT
Do all the fans who paid to watch the 1st game get given free tickets for the 2nd one?? Surely as the first result is null & void, the tickets have to be free for those people or they have to refund everyone for the 1st game!
I feel sorry for Giants in all of this, they really shouldn't have to deal with another teams inability to run their club correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 6:52:52 GMT
I'd be amazed if Giants' T&Cs didn't cover them. Every one saw a full game of basketball, no one got their money back for games played by the old (real) Giants when they folded mid-season.
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Post by benji on Oct 11, 2019 7:33:19 GMT
Can we get out money back for friendlies cos the result doesn't mean anything?!
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Post by saintpat on Oct 11, 2019 9:32:12 GMT
Can we get out money back for friendlies cos the result doesn't mean anything?! But you go to a friendly knowing the game means nothing, they went to what was supposed to be a competitive game(it wasn't on any level!) with a result that means something. I rarely go to friendlies because I can't be arsed about the result which takes away much of my enjoyment! What happened in the Royals v Riders game that was rained off last season? Didn't the fans who went get free tickets to go to the 2nd game? |
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Post by benji on Oct 11, 2019 10:09:37 GMT
Can we get out money back for friendlies cos the result doesn't mean anything?! But you go to a friendly knowing the game means nothing, they went to what was supposed to be a competitive game(it wasn't on any level!) with a result that means something. I rarely go to friendlies because I can't be arsed about the result which takes away much of my enjoyment! What happened in the Royals v Riders game that was rained off last season? Didn't the fans who went get free tickets to go to the 2nd game? Fair point. I just wouldn't expect my money back because the result was later ruled out. Can you get your money back from the Olympics because an athlete was later found to have taken drugs and was disqualified? |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 11, 2019 10:33:02 GMT
But you go to a friendly knowing the game means nothing, they went to what was supposed to be a competitive game(it wasn't on any level!) with a result that means something. I rarely go to friendlies because I can't be arsed about the result which takes away much of my enjoyment! What happened in the Royals v Riders game that was rained off last season? Didn't the fans who went get free tickets to go to the 2nd game? Fair point. I just wouldn't expect my money back because the result was later ruled out. Can you get your money back from the Olympics because an athlete was later found to have taken drugs and was disqualified? I want to see as many performance enhancing drugs as possible. I'd love to see someone dunk from their own free throw line. Or an entire team run a set play in 2 seconds.
In fact, I want my money back because people ARENT doping.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 11, 2019 11:24:42 GMT
But you go to a friendly knowing the game means nothing, they went to what was supposed to be a competitive game(it wasn't on any level!) with a result that means something. I rarely go to friendlies because I can't be arsed about the result which takes away much of my enjoyment! What happened in the Royals v Riders game that was rained off last season? Didn't the fans who went get free tickets to go to the 2nd game? Fair point. I just wouldn't expect my money back because the result was later ruled out. Can you get your money back from the Olympics because an athlete was later found to have taken drugs and was disqualified? If the game was ruled out I wouldn't expect a refund, but they're re-playing a game( which is completely ridiculous IMO) why would someone who went to the 1st game expect to pay for the 2nd one? If an athlete was disqualified, he loses his medal, they don't replay the whole event! |
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