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Post by Hearsay247 on Jan 22, 2020 10:26:15 GMT
You can't put a team that was eliminated back in surely. What if this happened then they got to the final? Would you put back all the teams they eliminated on the way? On the other hand, in that situation, would you make the final a bye? That would not make commercial sense. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jan 22, 2020 10:28:40 GMT
Congratulations on staying in D1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 10:37:50 GMT
Just remember where you read it first #scoopedmvp |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 10:38:33 GMT
Congratulations on staying in D1
Just waiting on those floods of calls |
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Post by sussexbantam on Jan 22, 2020 10:51:51 GMT
You can't put a team that was eliminated back in surely. What if this happened then they got to the final? Would you put back all the teams they eliminated on the way? You can if the next round hasn't been played - although I suspect they won't... |
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Post by benji on Jan 22, 2020 10:57:44 GMT
You can't put a team that was eliminated back in surely. What if this happened then they got to the final? Would you put back all the teams they eliminated on the way? On the other hand, in that situation, would you make the final a bye? That would not make commercial sense. That's a rather good point that I hadn't thought of!! In that case I agree, the scorchers result is null and void so they're back in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 11:07:20 GMT
That is how you'd justify reinstating Scorchers, the Trophy result is expunged. But - playing devil's advocate - do you expunge all the Cup results  ? |
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Post by Hearsay247 on Jan 22, 2020 11:12:14 GMT
That is how you'd justify reinstating Scorchers, the Trophy result is expunged. But - playing devil's advocate - do you expunge all the Cup results ? They fulfilled all of their fixtures in the cup, so no |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 11:28:33 GMT
There are two sides to the "bye or no bye" situation I guess...
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London City Royals no longer exist so the results in the competition don't either. Therefore reinstate the team they beat in the previous round.
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If the result from the previous round is invalid and you reinstate Surrey, why do they get a bye instead of Bristol getting a bye?
If Surrey ultimately get to the final there'll be an asterisk next to their name really about how they got knocked out in the first round (like Denmark in Euro '92).
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Post by sussexbantam on Jan 22, 2020 11:49:10 GMT
There are two sides to the "bye or no bye" situation I guess... 1. London City Royals no longer exist so the results in the competition don't either. Therefore reinstate the team they beat in the previous round. 2. If the result from the previous round is invalid and you reinstate Surrey, why do they get a bye instead of Bristol getting a bye? If Surrey ultimately get to the final there'll be an asterisk next to their name really about how they got knocked out in the first round (like Denmark in Euro '92). I guess it comes down to you're either giving Surrey or Bristol a bye - so someone has "an asterix" next to their name. It is probably better for the intergity of the competition if you give it to Bristol - but its better for Surrey if you give it to us ! |
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Post by blueskies99 on Jan 22, 2020 12:00:00 GMT
I'm assuming that these are the four league results that will be expunged...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 12:16:18 GMT
There are two sides to the "bye or no bye" situation I guess... 1. London City Royals no longer exist so the results in the competition don't either. Therefore reinstate the team they beat in the previous round. 2. If the result from the previous round is invalid and you reinstate Surrey, why do they get a bye instead of Bristol getting a bye? If Surrey ultimately get to the final there'll be an asterisk next to their name really about how they got knocked out in the first round (like Denmark in Euro '92). I guess it comes down to you're either giving Surrey or Bristol a bye - so someone has "an asterix" next to their name. It is probably better for the intergity of the competition if you give it to Bristol - but its better for Surrey if you give it to us ! It only becomes a problem if Surrey go on to beat Bristol really. Bristol are in the QF on merit but Surrey would only be there on a technicality so yeah, in regards to the integrity then it depends where the league think that lies. IF Surrey are given a second chance though, I'd at least say Bristol should be allowed to have the game as a home tie (whereas it was meant to be in London) for qualifying through to that round directly. |
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Post by bullets92 on Jan 22, 2020 12:49:00 GMT
Can we all just take a minute to thank Bristol for wining the cup semi.
Having to cancel the final this week would have made things....interesting...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 12:52:23 GMT
Even i think Flyers should have a bye in this.
Too many fans on the raiders supporters facebook asking for dusha to sign. Literally the last player I'd ever want back
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Post by sussexbantam on Jan 22, 2020 13:00:17 GMT
I guess it comes down to you're either giving Surrey or Bristol a bye - so someone has "an asterix" next to their name. It is probably better for the intergity of the competition if you give it to Bristol - but its better for Surrey if you give it to us ! . IF Surrey are given a second chance though, I'd at least say Bristol should be allowed to have the game as a home tie (whereas it was meant to be in London) for qualifying through to that round directly. I don't think you can give Surrey a bye -but then penalise them in the rest of the competition. You either have to let Surrey take the Royals place or give Flyers the bye. I know which I want to happen - but in honesty I'd give the bye to Bristol if I was in charge... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 13:19:58 GMT
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Post by 203cm on Jan 22, 2020 13:28:40 GMT
. IF Surrey are given a second chance though, I'd at least say Bristol should be allowed to have the game as a home tie (whereas it was meant to be in London) for qualifying through to that round directly. I don't think you can give Surrey a bye -but then penalise them in the rest of the competition. You either have to let Surrey take the Royals place or give Flyers the bye. I know which I want to happen - but in honesty I'd give the bye to Bristol if I was in charge... Anyway it wasn't Royals that beat us, it was Matt Scott |
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Post by LTFan on Jan 22, 2020 13:44:39 GMT
Can we all just take a minute to thank Bristol for wining the cup semi. Having to cancel the final this week would have made things....interesting... A completely hypothetical situation, but I doubt the BBL would have cancelled the Cup final with just 4 days’ notice. They’d lose an absolute fortune. I suspect the BBL would personally pay for whatever Royals team they could scrape together for one last time rather than cancelling the game. It would certainly make more financial sense. But as I said, fortunately it’s a hypothetical situation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 13:51:09 GMT
I reckon they have staggered on for another week. Probably blagged an up front payment to show up. Maybe the bbl would have guarantee some money to players
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 14:01:03 GMT
. IF Surrey are given a second chance though, I'd at least say Bristol should be allowed to have the game as a home tie (whereas it was meant to be in London) for qualifying through to that round directly. I don't think you can give Surrey a bye -but then penalise them in the rest of the competition. You either have to let Surrey take the Royals place or give Flyers the bye. I know which I want to happen - but in honesty I'd give the bye to Bristol if I was in charge... If they were let back into the competition it'd hardly be being penalised to say you're back in but it's an away game. Surrey should be penalised anyway... They lost! Anything extra they get should be a bonus. They shouldn't be gaining extra door money after losing and getting a lucky draw. |
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Post by sussexbantam on Jan 22, 2020 14:12:38 GMT
There is no logic to letting Surrey back in unless they are taking the Royals place in the draw.
If you want to let a "lucky loser" in then it should be Giants because they only lost by 4 points in their first round game, or we give the Rocks another go after only losing in OT to the Nix, or Riders because they're the Riders..
You either say Surrey are taking the Royals place or you say that the Flyers have a bye. And, I'll say again, if it were my choice I'd give the bye to the Flyers.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jan 22, 2020 14:16:48 GMT
There is no logic to letting Surrey back in unless they are taking the Royals place in the draw. If you want to let a "lucky loser" in then it should be Giants because they only lost by 4 points in their first round game, or we give the Rocks another go after only losing in OT to the Nix, or Riders because they're the Riders.. You either say Surrey are taking the Royals place or you say that the Flyers have a bye. And, I'll say again, if it were my choice I'd give the bye to the Flyers. Let Jon Sawyer play by himself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 14:38:08 GMT
Teams getting let back in isn't a new concept. It happens in football, teams get booted out of cups for fielding ineligible players (unless of course you're LiVARpool). Hamilton Accies got reinstated into the Scottish Cup after Brechin fielded 2 ineligible players news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_cups/8450310.stm |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Jan 22, 2020 15:01:00 GMT
Shambolic organisation at the club apparently. How could they ever hope to be viable with expensive talent and no crowds or significant sponsorship? Weird, the whole debacle.
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Post by leamrider2 on Jan 22, 2020 15:27:12 GMT
Really serious questions need to be asked of the governance of the BBL. Heads should roll.
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