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Post by blueskies99 on Jan 4, 2020 13:16:38 GMT
If I know anything about Rob, it's that I wouldn't write him or his team off at this stage of the season I don't think that any Riders fan is writing off Rob..... I'm sure he (and his coaching team) can see all the issues that have been mentioned so far (and probably a lot more).
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Post by gloryeagle on Jan 4, 2020 13:21:50 GMT
Serious question - Why didn't Riders just refuse to carry on when it became clear they were going to lose?
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Post by LTFan on Jan 4, 2020 13:49:41 GMT
Waiting patiently for Riders to learn and get better.... We will still win trophies this season. Albeit with some players in and out! Trophies? Only 3 more opportunities, do you really think Riders will win at least 2 of those 3? I can see them perhaps winning 1 of them, but vast improvements needed if they’re going to win 2 or more. |
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Post by warewolf on Jan 4, 2020 14:28:34 GMT
With a fully fit roster it's hard to see beyond Riders in this one, Wolves need to dominate inside and crash the boards to have a chance overcoming Leicester. Whatever happens it will be a great game for sure. Don't know why you seem so confident of a win by Leicester. We haven't exactly played well in our last three (2 and a bit) games. Lacking a backup PG who can play alongside or swap in for Cartwright. Your inside guy is amazing. Think it'll be a very tough night for Riders. Need to play well from the tipoff and maintain the pressure throughout the game. We used to be stronger in Q3 & Q4 as a team but that appears not to be the case any more. Of course, I'd love to be proved wrong tonight. All to play for with both teams. I am just enjoying a fine lunch of my own words.... You were right, Amir Williams and Jordan Williams made a right nuisance of themselves and just nothing dropping for Riders in the second half, the weakness at PG was pretty evident I think Cartwright played the thick end of 35 mins. At least my prediction of a great game came to pass. |
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Post by tvtigersfan on Jan 4, 2020 14:29:16 GMT
Pleased to see a Bristol v Worcester final. Well done both.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jan 4, 2020 17:52:47 GMT
If I know anything about Rob, it's that I wouldn't write him or his team off at this stage of the season Pat, you said the same thing about Fab and Eagles four years ago ... Hmmm  At various stages last 4 or 5 years Riders and Rob have been written off on here. And each year we've ended the season very strong. Our only issue is our players do well and get options elsewhere as a result or retire. And he has to start all over again each season. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jan 4, 2020 17:53:37 GMT
We will still win trophies this season. Albeit with some players in and out! Trophies? Only 3 more opportunities, do you really think Riders will win at least 2 of those 3? I can see them perhaps winning 1 of them, but vast improvements needed if they’re going to win 2 or more. Yes I think we are more than capable of that still. We will improve. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jan 4, 2020 17:55:03 GMT
Serious question - Why didn't Riders just refuse to carry on when it became clear they were going to lose? Both teams had hairspray available last night |
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Post by gloryeagle on Jan 4, 2020 17:58:59 GMT
Serious question - Why didn't Riders just refuse to carry on when it became clear they were going to lose? Both teams had hairspray available last night It's an outrage - Both teams should be disqualified from the competition and the losers of the Wolves QF should be given their place in the final. |
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Post by number6 on Jan 4, 2020 18:36:00 GMT
Riders should sue their hair spray supplier, and the hair spray delivery driver
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Post by massiveridersfan on Jan 4, 2020 18:53:34 GMT
Matt Newby deserves a lot of credit for how he's managed to get Wolves playing so well so quickly and into a final. Glad he's back in the BBL.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 22:52:11 GMT
Pat, you said the same thing about Fab and Eagles four years ago ... Hmmm Our only issue is our players do well and get options elsewhere as a result or retire. And he has to start all over again each season. That happens to most teams, minus the retire part. I'd say a bigger problem at Leicester is a) injuries, and b) they bring players in, test them out and then send them back and bring in others, they don't get enough time to build legitimate consistency playing together sometimes and some players need that. Last season they went from Larsson, to Martin Jr, to Williams. If they'd gotten Williams in the first place they may've taken the league. But so much trial and error can be a problem. It's also expensive to keep bringing players in and sending them back again. |
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Post by stevetino on Jan 5, 2020 10:29:41 GMT
Trophies? Only 3 more opportunities, do you really think Riders will win at least 2 of those 3? I can see them perhaps winning 1 of them, but vast improvements needed if they’re going to win 2 or more. Yes I think we are more than capable of that still. We will improve. bring BACK Floperdini INF |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jan 5, 2020 15:01:08 GMT
Our only issue is our players do well and get options elsewhere as a result or retire. And he has to start all over again each season. That happens to most teams, minus the retire part. I'd say a bigger problem at Leicester is a) injuries, and b) they bring players in, test them out and then send them back and bring in others, they don't get enough time to build legitimate consistency playing together sometimes and some players need that. Last season they went from Larsson, to Martin Jr, to Williams. If they'd gotten Williams in the first place they may've taken the league. But so much trial and error can be a problem. It's also expensive to keep bringing players in and sending them back again. Williams was a way better player than the first two. Too good to come back this season. Other clubs may not have replaced larsson let alone martin And if we hadn't we wouldn't have won the playoff final so comfortably if at all Replying worse players with better players works? I don't think it's a problem. It's a solution to a problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 19:45:33 GMT
That happens to most teams, minus the retire part. I'd say a bigger problem at Leicester is a) injuries, and b) they bring players in, test them out and then send them back and bring in others, they don't get enough time to build legitimate consistency playing together sometimes and some players need that. Last season they went from Larsson, to Martin Jr, to Williams. If they'd gotten Williams in the first place they may've taken the league. But so much trial and error can be a problem. It's also expensive to keep bringing players in and sending them back again. Williams was a way better player than the first two. Too good to come back this season. Other clubs may not have replaced larsson let alone martin And if we hadn't we wouldn't have won the playoff final so comfortably if at all Replying worse players with better players works? I don't think it's a problem. It's a solution to a problem. You're missing my point. I'm not talking about this season. Last sesson, why wasn't Williams there to start with? So much messing around ultimately cost them the league because of early season personnel changes and inconsistencies. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 19:48:42 GMT
Williams was a way better player than the first two. Too good to come back this season. Other clubs may not have replaced larsson let alone martin And if we hadn't we wouldn't have won the playoff final so comfortably if at all Replying worse players with better players works? I don't think it's a problem. It's a solution to a problem. You're missing my point. I'm not talking about this season. Last sesson, why wasn't Williams there to start with? So much messing around ultimately cost them the league because of early season personnel changes and inconsistencies. He always misses the point |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jan 5, 2020 20:28:55 GMT
You're missing my point. I'm not talking about this season. Last sesson, why wasn't Williams there to start with? So much messing around ultimately cost them the league because of early season personnel changes and inconsistencies. He always misses the point Not missing any point It's hard to find and secure the best players That isn't rocket science. Happens in every sport. Difference is we do something about it until we get it right. I accept that's expensive I simply don't agree that if you spend longer with the wrong players you can somehow make them work better together. Yes you can improve them but not enough for trophies. I totally get the point. The problem would be if you don't replace under performing players. No amount of time working with players like Billy reader and laarson and Martin would have made them anywhere near in to Tim Williams. Not even close. If you are saying recruit Tim Williams first of all - way easier said than done. And we all know that's not easy. But you weren't actually saying that You were saying Rob should keep under performing players longer. That's what other clubs have to do and fail with?? You guys don't get the point? |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jan 5, 2020 20:30:44 GMT
Williams was a way better player than the first two. Too good to come back this season. Other clubs may not have replaced larsson let alone martin And if we hadn't we wouldn't have won the playoff final so comfortably if at all Replying worse players with better players works? I don't think it's a problem. It's a solution to a problem. You're missing my point. I'm not talking about this season. Last sesson, why wasn't Williams there to start with? So much messing around ultimately cost them the league because of early season personnel changes and inconsistencies. If we hadn't changed the players not only would we have still lost the league we wouldn't have come close to winning the playoffs either?? I have no doubt at all about that And similar changes previous seasons improved us as well?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 21:03:17 GMT
He always misses the point Not missing any point It's hard to find and secure the best players That isn't rocket science. Happens in every sport. Difference is we do something about it until we get it right. I accept that's expensive I simply don't agree that if you spend longer with the wrong players you can somehow make them work better together. Yes you can improve them but not enough for trophies. I totally get the point. The problem would be if you don't replace under performing players. No amount of time working with players like Billy reader and laarson and Martin would have made them anywhere near in to Tim Williams. Not even close. If you are saying recruit Tim Williams first of all - way easier said than done. And we all know that's not easy. But you weren't actually saying that You were saying Rob should keep under performing players longer. That's what other clubs have to do and fail with?? You guys don't get the point? I never said keep wrong players longer... Just be better at scouting to not bring in the wrong ones in the first place.
Williams was obviously a good addition and it worked but they got so many players wrong last season it was like they were just throwing guys in and seeing which stuck, ultimately getting lucky at the end.
It's happened again this season as we've seen more player turnover and it's just looking like a pattern of adding players without doing the right volume of scouting. I doubt we've seen the end of it either.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jan 5, 2020 21:11:02 GMT
Not missing any point It's hard to find and secure the best players That isn't rocket science. Happens in every sport. Difference is we do something about it until we get it right. I accept that's expensive I simply don't agree that if you spend longer with the wrong players you can somehow make them work better together. Yes you can improve them but not enough for trophies. I totally get the point. The problem would be if you don't replace under performing players. No amount of time working with players like Billy reader and laarson and Martin would have made them anywhere near in to Tim Williams. Not even close. If you are saying recruit Tim Williams first of all - way easier said than done. And we all know that's not easy. But you weren't actually saying that You were saying Rob should keep under performing players longer. That's what other clubs have to do and fail with?? You guys don't get the point? I never said keep wrong players longer... Just be better at scouting to not bring in the wrong ones in the first place.
Williams was obviously a good addition and it worked but they got so many players wrong last season it was like they were just throwing guys in and seeing which stuck, ultimately getting lucky at the end.
It's happened again this season as we've seen more player turnover and it's just looking like a pattern of adding players without doing the right volume of scouting. I doubt we've seen the end of it either.
Better players like Tim Williams will have been far too expensive at the start of the season. As they dont get picked up they lower their wage demands because they want a job, hence why they become affordable mid season.... |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jan 5, 2020 21:48:49 GMT
Not missing any point It's hard to find and secure the best players That isn't rocket science. Happens in every sport. Difference is we do something about it until we get it right. I accept that's expensive I simply don't agree that if you spend longer with the wrong players you can somehow make them work better together. Yes you can improve them but not enough for trophies. I totally get the point. The problem would be if you don't replace under performing players. No amount of time working with players like Billy reader and laarson and Martin would have made them anywhere near in to Tim Williams. Not even close. If you are saying recruit Tim Williams first of all - way easier said than done. And we all know that's not easy. But you weren't actually saying that You were saying Rob should keep under performing players longer. That's what other clubs have to do and fail with?? You guys don't get the point? I never said keep wrong players longer...
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jan 5, 2020 21:51:09 GMT
I never said keep wrong players longer... Just be better at scouting to not bring in the wrong ones in the first place.
Williams was obviously a good addition and it worked but they got so many players wrong last season it was like they were just throwing guys in and seeing which stuck, ultimately getting lucky at the end.
It's happened again this season as we've seen more player turnover and it's just looking like a pattern of adding players without doing the right volume of scouting. I doubt we've seen the end of it either.
Better players like Tim Williams will have been far too expensive at the start of the season. As they dont get picked up they lower their wage demands because they want a job, hence why they become affordable mid season.... We tried very hard to get Tim Williams to sign again this season. If it was easy to find another one like him we wouldn't need to try and keep him would we? As Bigz says. He was too good for BBL for a full season. |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Jan 5, 2020 23:09:17 GMT
Williams was a way better player than the first two. Too good to come back this season. Other clubs may not have replaced larsson let alone martin And if we hadn't we wouldn't have won the playoff final so comfortably if at all Replying worse players with better players works? I don't think it's a problem. It's a solution to a problem. You're missing my point. I'm not talking about this season. Last sesson, why wasn't Williams there to start with? So much messing around ultimately cost them the league because of early season personnel changes and inconsistencies. I don't think Williams was available at the beginning of the season but he incurred an injury and recovered about Xmas so Riders could afford him because he was much cheaper. Fully recovered, he went off to Europe at the close of the season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 23:15:34 GMT
I never said keep wrong players longer...
You did really if you check. Nope. I said SOME players need consistency and a good run. Nothing about keeping the wrong ones. Look at Josh Ward-Hibbert. Start of last season he was out of the rotation and after the turn of the new year he became one of their best and most consistent players. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jan 6, 2020 7:39:52 GMT
You did really if you check. Nope. I said SOME players need consistency and a good run. Nothing about keeping the wrong ones. Look at Josh Ward-Hibbert. Start of last season he was out of the rotation and after the turn of the new year he became one of their best and most consistent players. And Rob kept him. He releases the ones that clearly aren't going to make it? |
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