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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 12:53:16 GMT
I'm all for giving the sh!thouses up the m5 abuse. Keep going Hersey
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 23:43:47 GMT
I think I may have found a way to speed up planning applications..... Wait for it..... ...... Put in the application. H2H Costs money to put it in just for it to get rejected. Do the consultations first and put it in when objections are ironed out. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 10:19:37 GMT
So what have they been doing for the previous six years? When they promised a new arena with 2-3 years of joining the bbl i presume it wasn't just BS?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 21:57:14 GMT
So what have they been doing for the previous six years? When they promised a new arena with 2-3 years of joining the bbl i presume it wasn't just BS? Building Ashton Gate stadium. Sometimes plans change... so what? Should that mean they aren't allowed to build now? Why rush, what difference does it make to anyone else? |
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Post by foghirnleghorn on Feb 16, 2020 2:32:11 GMT
Makes no difference, as you say plans change, money gets invested elsewhere, all that matters that's it comes to fruition and it's done well, I think it's mostly jealousy that it's been done at all.
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Post by youngrocks on Feb 16, 2020 8:48:28 GMT
Teams in their own facility
Wolves-uni
Riders
Eagles
Teams mentioned or began talking about it
Flyers
Rocks
Teams who have spoken about it but see no real start or plan
Sharks
Raiders
Teams who probably do not have the finances
Nix
Scorchers
Lions
Giants
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 11:53:56 GMT
Makes no difference, as you say plans change, money gets invested elsewhere, all that matters that's it comes to fruition and it's done well, I think it's mostly jealousy that it's been done at all. What's been done? It's a lovely video. But I'll be jealous when it's built. |
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Post by saintpat on Feb 16, 2020 12:32:20 GMT
Teams in their own facility Wolves-uni Riders Eagles Teams mentioned or began talking about it Flyers Rocks Teams who have spoken about it but see no real start or plan Sharks Raiders Teams who probably do not have the finances Nix Scorchers Lions Giants I take you're point but no BBL team in their own right have the finances to build their own arena! However some may have the infrastructure within their own local community to make it a possibility. I think Eagles & Riders are in the position that if their main owners pulled out they could carry on due to their venues. Wolves would fall apart if the Uni pulled out, therefore I wouldn't really consider it 'their' venue, Bristol will be no different to that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 19:59:25 GMT
Makes no difference, as you say plans change, money gets invested elsewhere, all that matters that's it comes to fruition and it's done well, I think it's mostly jealousy that it's been done at all. What's been done? It's a lovely video. But I'll be jealous when it's built. Definitely sounds like you are already. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 20:48:27 GMT
I'll fess up here. I'm insanely jealous that my club hasn't released a shiny video about an arena we might build but don't have planning permission for in an attempt to deflect the humiliation of being gubbed by a team from a lower league. Obviously I can't truly understand the embarrassment caused by losing a game by 36 points against inferior opposition because, although we've lost two of our 34 games against lower ranked teams in the National Cup, the combined margin of loss was by seven points. But I feel your pain, and I hope the video makes you feel a bit better.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Feb 16, 2020 21:41:10 GMT
Being fair to Hersey his club isn't even aspiring to be at this level so I'm not sure he would be jealous of anything Bristol do
Hes battling away at a lower level with lower aspirations
And won't have time to be jealous of a club like Bristol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 23:29:35 GMT
I'll fess up here. I'm insanely jealous that my club hasn't released a shiny video about an arena we might build but don't have planning permission for in an attempt to deflect the humiliation of being gubbed by a team from a lower league. Obviously I can't truly understand the embarrassment caused by losing a game by 36 points against inferior opposition because, although we've lost two of our 34 games against lower ranked teams in the National Cup, the combined margin of loss was by seven points. But I feel your pain, and I hope the video makes you feel a bit better. You seem to be focussing on it being "just a video", ignoring the fact that Bristol Sport have made huge leaps for both the football and rugby teams. You really believe the plan is only ever be just for a video? There may yet still be hurdles but there's a lot to do. You can shoot it down all you like, it's more exciting than your Orlan Jackman signing that you were creaming your pants over. Criticise how Bristol are run, go wild but check out your two wins first and maybe put more focus there... |
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Post by baldeagle on Feb 17, 2020 9:32:37 GMT
Actually I'm really fussed about the video, but with wealthy and supportive long-term backing I am struck at how Bristol seem (from afar) to be going about building a team and a fanbase in the right way, bit by bit over a number of years. Certainly the WISE arena (even though it "has its limitations") is one of the more enjoyable places to go for an away game and you get a good welcome there (admittedly I was in disguise).
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Post by benji on Feb 17, 2020 9:51:27 GMT
Not jealous here by the way, I've not even watched the video!
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Post by notoriousbigz on Feb 17, 2020 10:07:31 GMT
To be honest, they've clearly got a sustainable long term plan that links in with Bristol Sport or whatever, and I don't see a way in which all of this (the plans/video etc) is just to appease the BBL, so I'm all for it.
If it takes a little longer than planned, so what? Are we saying the BBL should chuck them out? I'd say they've been a more than solid addition since joining even if they had absolutely 0 plans to move at all...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 11:54:10 GMT
If they were to drop down where would they go? They've proved they can only beat solent when solent take it easy
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 13:52:53 GMT
If they were to drop down where would they go? They've proved they can only beat solent when solent take it easy I dunno, three techs doesn't scream "taking it easy". |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Feb 17, 2020 13:55:47 GMT
It was a bit more back to business from Bristol, but dear God those referees were awful at times.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 9:22:56 GMT
I'll fess up here. I'm insanely jealous that my club hasn't released a shiny video about an arena we might build but don't have planning permission for in an attempt to deflect the humiliation of being gubbed by a team from a lower league. Obviously I can't truly understand the embarrassment caused by losing a game by 36 points against inferior opposition because, although we've lost two of our 34 games against lower ranked teams in the National Cup, the combined margin of loss was by seven points. But I feel your pain, and I hope the video makes you feel a bit better. You seem to be focussing on it being "just a video", ignoring the fact that Bristol Sport have made huge leaps for both the football and rugby teams. You really believe the plan is only ever be just for a video? There may yet still be hurdles but there's a lot to do. You can shoot it down all you like, it's more exciting than your Orlan Jackman signing that you were creaming your pants over. Criticise how Bristol are run, go wild but check out your two wins first and maybe put more focus there... While it's just a video, I'll focus on it being just a video. Signing Orlan was actually doing something, not talking about doing something. And we only had one win when he arrived.
You're right about one thing
And the basketball club has been left to tread water. Lansdown bought the club in 2013, he got them into the BBL the following year on a promise of a new arena within three years. In the summer of 2018 we got an announcement of a new arena, 20 or so months later we got a video. One winning season in five, one final & three losing semis in six years suggests the team hasn't had money chucked at it.
Pesky facts, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 9:35:43 GMT
You seem to be focussing on it being "just a video", ignoring the fact that Bristol Sport have made huge leaps for both the football and rugby teams. You really believe the plan is only ever be just for a video? There may yet still be hurdles but there's a lot to do. You can shoot it down all you like, it's more exciting than your Orlan Jackman signing that you were creaming your pants over. Criticise how Bristol are run, go wild but check out your two wins first and maybe put more focus there... While it's just a video, I'll focus on it being just a video. Signing Orlan was actually doing something, not talking about doing something. And we only had one win when he arrived.
You're right about one thing
And the basketball club has been left to tread water. Lansdown bought the club in 2013, he got them into the BBL the following year on a promise of a new arena within three years. In the summer of 2018 we got an announcement of a new arena, 20 or so months later we got a video. One winning season in five, one final & three losing semis in six years suggests the team hasn't had money chucked at it.
Pesky facts, eh?
The plan was never to chuck money at it... The plan has been to try build stability and a sustainable structure and you seen to be angry that they've run it that way instead of waving a chequebook around. If you think basketball is going to take any precedence over football and rugby which are much more competitive and have more sponsorship and sales opportunities then that's just incredibly ignorant. As you well know, any progress in basketball needs some patience and isn't going to happen overnight. So it might take ten years from entry to final build for the arena to be complete. So what? Find another team who managed to plan a £100m development including an arena at the centre of it and managed to get it done in three years. The development has grown to be something more than it originally was and where it's being built, there are tennants on that land with tennancies that need to expire. All you have to do is look at Google Maps and see it's not land immediately ready to build on to work that out. They could have built a little arena somewhere but plans change and they've changed for the better to maximise potential, profitability and sustainability for the club's future. Yes it's a video now but what do you expect, it to just be built and one day to be told "SURPRISE! WE HAVE AN ARENA NOW!"? |
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 11, 2020 19:25:03 GMT
I am sure the arena will be built because:
1. Bristol wants it built. Bristol doesn't have an arena and for a major city that is a problem. Bristol is missing out on events because of this.
2. It will be funded by other developments on the land, mostly housing.
3. Bristol Sport is committed to 3 sports. Football, rugby and basketball. Both men's and women's teams. The current venue is too small.
There is no surprise this is taking a long time, there really is no hurry. It's a big project.
Bristol is not a basketball city (if such a thing exists). It is a football and rugby city. The basketball community is being built from scratch. Bristol Flyers are the last team to join the BBL. It takes generations to build a genuine community, but Bristol has made a start. UWE, University of Bristol and University of Bath all have decent basketball teams. Bristol is decades behind cities like Leicester and Newcastle. Having a BBL franchise backed by a major football club or rugby club is something I have heard proposed many times but only Bristol is doing it.
There are 3 rugby teams supporting Netball Superleague franchises one way or another (Leeds Rhinos, Wasps and Saracens). Very wise, it's probably cheaper and higher profile than running a BBL team. Wasps, I expect to go bankrupt.
Bristol is a great example of 3 sports and a stadium successfully working together. Coventry and Wasps is a great example of the clubs in a city hating each other. Coventry City FC are homeless Wasps will be liquidated. Maybe that's just the way it has to go for Wasps to go back to London and for Coventry RFC to grow.
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Post by gloryeagle on Nov 11, 2020 20:35:04 GMT
Having a BBL franchise backed by a major football club or rugby club is something I have heard proposed many times but only Bristol is doing it. There are 3 rugby teams supporting Netball Superleague franchises one way or another (Leeds Rhinos, Wasps and Saracens). Very wise, it's probably cheaper and higher profile than running a BBL team. Wasps, I expect to go bankrupt. Bristol is a great example of 3 sports and a stadium successfully working together. Coventry and Wasps is a great example of the clubs in a city hating each other. Coventry City FC are homeless Wasps will be liquidated. Maybe that's just the way it has to go for Wasps to go back to London and for Coventry RFC to grow. They may be the only ones currently linked to a football club but it's certainly not new to the British game - I can think of 4 others at least in the past, they broke down for various reasons. I can't speak for all of them but Eagles and Newcastle United parted on good terms. |
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 11, 2020 20:49:24 GMT
I think the Sir John Hall era should be seen as a success for Newcastle. Newcastle Eagles, Newcastle Falcons and now Newcastle Thunder are all part of the legacy. Newcastle, a football city, is now a multi-sports city with a shared identity (black and white kits) and goodwill between the clubs. I am pleased Bristol is taking the same path.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 22:08:49 GMT
I really have no idea how anyone could claim that Newcastle Sporting Club was a success. I've never read or heard that it was anything other than an unmitigated disaster.
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 11, 2020 22:18:55 GMT
I really have no idea how anyone could claim that Newcastle Sporting Club was a success. I've never read or heard that it was anything other than an unmitigated disaster. Look at the legacy. Newcastle Eagles are one of the top BBL teams. Newcastle Falcons are one of only two Premiership Rugby teams in the north of England. Newcastle Falcons owns Newcastle Thunder RL club. They must be the only professional rugby union club to own a rugby league club and actually encourage rugby league. In most places the two codes view each other as rivals at best, or as enemies. Such is the atmosphere of cooperation and goodwill in Newcastle. I can't really speak on Newcastle United. I know less about football than the average. But the other aforementioned sports are in rude health in Newcastle. |
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