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Post by davef on Nov 11, 2020 22:26:53 GMT
Newcastle Eagles went bust in three years. Without Paul to buy it for a pound and pick up the pieces it would have gone the same way as the ice hockey (kaput). (The north east once led the way in British ice hockey with Durham wasps and Whitley warriors - the sporting club put paid to that)
The club which was the falcons was there before John Hall and has been through multiple ownerships afterwards. It’s success or otherwise is nothing totdo with the sporting club.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 22:28:26 GMT
Eagles are a success in spite of the NSC debacle. They exist because paul blake bought the franchise and worked his backside off. Not because of john Hall's dream. Similar story with the rugby. The ice hockey club collapsed.
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Post by dandayr on Nov 11, 2020 23:12:08 GMT
I really have no idea how anyone could claim that Newcastle Sporting Club was a success. I've never read or heard that it was anything other than an unmitigated disaster. Look at the legacy. Newcastle Eagles are one of the top BBL teams. Newcastle Falcons are one of only two Premiership Rugby teams in the north of England. Newcastle Falcons owns Newcastle Thunder RL club. They must be the only professional rugby union club to own a rugby league club and actually encourage rugby league. In most places the two codes view each other as rivals at best, or as enemies. Such is the atmosphere of cooperation and goodwill in Newcastle. I can't really speak on Newcastle United. I know less about football than the average. But the other aforementioned sports are in rude health in Newcastle. As time passes, maybe folklore takes over and glosses over facts, or maybe my memory of the time is poor. North East in the70s/80s was a hotbed of ice-hockey - yet you dont mention that sport in your list. Many in the NE and wider hockey community will name Hall and the sporting club (SC) as the start of the demise. Newcastle Cobras were created at a cost to NE hockey. When the sporting club let them go, the damage was done and even the Fins could not repair the damage with Newcastle Jesters. I had the impression the only thing that meant the basketball came out the SC better than the ice hockey and went on to what we know today was due to the sacrifice and work of those who saved it from a similar fate to the hockey side - basketball legacy is I would argue of the current owner and others who at the demise of sporting club put in the hours, footwork and sacrifice and not of any great legacy plan from the SC. Falcons maybe are the one the SC legacy was more positive perhaps - provided the stands that got decent crowds in and drew in international players especially from cross the border and at that time while the club still had a feel of a traditional club you popped into for a beer, meals and players were in clubhouse at the same time. United - what happened there I reckon would have happened even if he had not gone down the SC path. Football was the core and the attention focus.
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 12, 2020 3:30:52 GMT
Thank you for setting me straight. My background is rugby and I'm from the north. Newcastle Falcons are a success whilst Orrell, Waterloo, West Hartlepool, Leeds and others have failed. Even Sale probably look enviously at the Falcons owning their own stadium whilst Sale are still tenants. I guess it's impossible to know what would have happened if Sir John Hall just stuck to football, but one thing is pretty certain, Newcastle Falcons wouldn't have won the Premiership. Would Newcastle Eagles still be a Sunderland team? Hopefully what Stephen Lansdown is building in Bristol is more sustainable. They should stick to one stadium, one arena, and just the 3 sports.
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Post by dandayr on Nov 12, 2020 10:32:47 GMT
Having a BBL franchise backed by a major football club or rugby club is something I have heard proposed many times but only Bristol is doing it. There are 3 rugby teams supporting Netball Superleague franchises one way or another (Leeds Rhinos, Wasps and Saracens). Very wise, it's probably cheaper and higher profile than running a BBL team. Wasps, I expect to go bankrupt. Bristol is a great example of 3 sports and a stadium successfully working together. Coventry and Wasps is a great example of the clubs in a city hating each other. Coventry City FC are homeless Wasps will be liquidated. Maybe that's just the way it has to go for Wasps to go back to London and for Coventry RFC to grow. They may be the only ones currently linked to a football club but it's certainly not new to the British game - I can think of 4 others at least in the past, they broke down for various reasons. I can't speak for all of them but Eagles and Newcastle United parted on good terms. racked my brain - and stuck at three who tried the multi team model Newcastle - well covered in this thread Man United - was good fun at the time and some decent euro nights. big plans to leave stretford s/c and play in a new arena on car park by the clock end. then they lost interest Glasgow Rangers - I am sure there must be folk who can write some books on the role and impact rangers had on both British and Scottish basketball what was your fourth? Think I have seen folk talk about merseyside and Everton - was that a formal ownership tie up in the same way as these three were? Dont know anything about this one - or if it is not that, then what the fourth is.
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 12, 2020 10:52:54 GMT
Portsmouth FC also had a BBL team in the 1980s
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Post by tonyleopard on Nov 12, 2020 12:46:36 GMT
I believe Mersey Tigers were run by Everton FC community section not the actual club itself.
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Post by connors on Nov 12, 2020 12:52:31 GMT
Portsmouth FC also had a BBL team in the 1980s For someone who only got into basketball this year your sure know your basketball.......
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 13:16:06 GMT
I believe Mersey Tigers were run by Everton FC community section not the actual club itself. Yep. West Brom and Norwich currently have community programmes that run junior nbl teams
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 12, 2020 13:47:27 GMT
Portsmouth FC also had a BBL team in the 1980s For someone who only got into basketball this year your sure know your basketball....... I have barely left my house since March. And all the live sport I was looking forward to got cancelled. So most of my time has been spent on YouTube and Wikipedia.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Nov 12, 2020 13:50:49 GMT
I believe Mersey Tigers were run by Everton FC community section not the actual club itself. Yep. West Brom and Norwich currently have community programmes that run junior nbl teams Technically Mersey Tigers had nothing to do with Everton. They came about when the Football club pulled all the funding. Everton Tigers were ran by Everton in the Community - the charitable arm of the football club which was completely separate from the football as you say.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 20:16:53 GMT
Portsmouth FC also had a BBL team in the 1980s For someone who only got into basketball this year your sure know your basketball....... You mentioned Falcons being trailblazers having fielded teams in both codes, I thought you'd have known about Harlequins RL. We should probably discuss the Great Betrayal up north around the turn of the century.
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 12, 2020 21:42:23 GMT
For someone who only got into basketball this year your sure know your basketball....... You mentioned Falcons being trailblazers having fielded teams in both codes, I thought you'd have known about Harlequins RL. We should probably discuss the Great Betrayal up north around the turn of the century. London Broncos have had many incarnations. I'm not sure why the partnership with Harlequins didn't work. It sounds like a good fit. London Broncos now play at Ealing Trailfinders Sports Club. Now, there is a chance that both London Broncos and Ealing Trailfinders could be playing top flight rugby next season. London Broncos are one of the teams applying to replace Toronto Wolfpack in Super League, whilst there is the possibility that Ealing Trailfinders will be promoted to the English Premiership, along with Saracens, without having to play a game. There is speculation that the Premiership will be increased to 14 clubs. I would be in favour of both of these. Rugby league should have a London team in the Super League for it to be a national sport. And it would be great to have four London clubs in the Premiership for the London double header. 4 London clubs 4 Southwest clubs 4 Midlands clubs 2 Northern clubs.
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Post by connors on Nov 12, 2020 22:01:18 GMT
Wow. Not just great basketball knowledge but a proper Rugby boffin too! A great new addition to the board. What got you interested in basketball? Must’ve been tough scratching your new itch in this year of all years.
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Post by Solly on Nov 12, 2020 22:08:46 GMT
Wow, Ruggo knowledge showing out from someone besides me on this board. If Chesterdonnelly can just say that he prefers League to yawnion then I might have a new friend
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 22:17:28 GMT
You mentioned Falcons being trailblazers having fielded teams in both codes, I thought you'd have known about Harlequins RL. We should probably discuss the Great Betrayal up north around the turn of the century. London Broncos have had many incarnations. I'm not sure why the partnership with Harlequins didn't work. It sounds like a good fit. London Broncos now play at Ealing Trailfinders Sports Club. Now, there is a chance that both London Broncos and Ealing Trailfinders could be playing top flight rugby next season. London Broncos are one of the teams applying to replace Toronto Wolfpack in Super League, whilst there is the possibility that Ealing Trailfinders will be promoted to the English Premiership, along with Saracens, without having to play a game. There is speculation that the Premiership will be increased to 14 clubs. I would be in favour of both of these. Rugby league should have a London team in the Super League for it to be a national sport. And it would be great to have four London clubs in the Premiership for the London double header. 4 London clubs 4 Southwest clubs 4 Midlands clubs 2 Northern clubs. Doesn't really explain why a rugby expert wouldn't know about Quins RL, considering i did . And i know sweet FA about egg chasing
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Post by Solly on Nov 12, 2020 22:30:20 GMT
I absolutely loved Broncos at Brentford & then Quin's RL, to the extent that I even had a season ticket one year, trekking all the way down from the Midlands. Mrs S. even joined in the fun attired in a team shirt.
Either driving down, or Megabus to Victoria, train to Twickenham, a quick visit to one of the last remaining Wimpys and a saunter over to the Stoop.
I love basketball and only love RL just a notch less.
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 12, 2020 22:44:29 GMT
I absolutely loved Broncos at Brentford & then Quin's RL, to the extent that I even had a season ticket one year, trekking all the way down from the Midlands. Mrs S. even joined in the fun attired in a team shirt. Either driving down, or Megabus to Victoria, train to Twickenham, a quick visit to one of the last remaining Wimpys and a saunter over to the Stoop. I love basketball and only love RL just a notch less. Did you see the proposal to combine the Championship and Division 1, to make a 24 team Championship. That would put Coventry Bears RL into the second tier. I have heard Butts Park is a nice place to watch rugby. Do I think that will happen? No. But if it did it would be good for rugby league in the Midlands.
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Post by connors on Nov 13, 2020 6:45:47 GMT
Big rugby fan myself.........but back to basketball. What got you into hoops this year Chester instead of egg chasing?
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 13, 2020 7:35:22 GMT
Big rugby fan myself.........but back to basketball. What got you into hoops this year Chester instead of egg chasing? First of all I got into netball watching the Netball World Cup. I had never watched netball before. Then the Netball Superleague which was cut short by Covid. I was looking forward to Suncorp Super Netball. That isn't broadcasted in UK at all, but a couple of YouTubers were recording and uploading the games. The broadcasters shut that down so that was the end of that. With no netball I started to watch a bit of basketball. Before that I didn't follow basketball at all. I was surprised to find out that GB had beaten Germany. I love a Team GB in any sport. And I was excited by the prospect of London Lions playing in Europe. I looked forward to their qualifier game. I really enjoyed that game even though they lost. But that was the first basketball game I watched live that I was really into. Before that I was watching European games on Betfair, and replays on YouTube.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 11:19:42 GMT
Just 16 months after the video. Impressive
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Post by borthwick on Jun 21, 2021 12:23:14 GMT
To be fair it is an impressive scheme and the regeneration opportunity which will help environment and economic aspects and create employment is great.
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Post by drivethebody on Jun 21, 2021 15:26:47 GMT
Just 16 months after the video. Impressive Pandemic I’d imagine ?
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Post by dandayr on Jun 21, 2021 17:07:26 GMT
its all happening in bristol - their version of an arms race it seems? but instead of arms, a race for arenas and conference facilities this one was 2 days ago and given it is a 17k arena it i guess is a different market from a 4k one: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-57531836this was today - no mention of the size of the conference facility so if direct competition or not: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-57528026might explain some of the long time scales since the video if having to ensure they are building for a market that wont be spread too thin over a couple of new places
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