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Post by isthaturinal on May 7, 2020 18:26:22 GMT
Oh and I'm not sure what the greatest dunker has to with this but it's Vinsanity for me. Especially his Raptors years. For pure power and aggressive throwdowns you look at Chocolate Thunder, Nique, KG, Griffin. My choice would be Alonzo Mourning though. Have you watched the documentary on Vince Carter also on Netflix, it’s well worth a watch....
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Post by baldereagle on May 7, 2020 22:18:31 GMT
Nothing to do with the Last Dance, but I once had dealings with a short white sales rep called Michael Jordan. He'd spent years in the 90s travelling all over the states, and every time he got off a plane, there would be a crowd of excited basketball fans waiting at the arrivals gate, who would obviously ignore him. Just seeing the name MJ on a passenger list was obviously too much for airline staff to keep quiet, and that was before social media !
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 7:59:20 GMT
Similar story but we had an U16 called Kobe Bryant this season
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Post by connors on May 11, 2020 19:55:54 GMT
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Post by SamH on May 11, 2020 20:26:01 GMT
Ha, just came to post the same story Connors! Definitely an interesting read though it's pretty MJ biased. I also saw Stephen A Smith outline why he felt Jordan would average 40 in today's game, but unlike Harden he would also be strong defensively. With average scoring having increased from about 95 to 110 it's pretty likely he'd get in on the act and score even more..
What's not covered in the article is what we touched on before, the physicality. How much effect did that have in slowing him down, not just Detroit and new York but across the league? In today's soft league he'd get every call like Harden does but wouldn't be so banged up as the season wore on as was the case then.
I think you could say most star guards would perform better or similar today to be fair; most of the reasoning in that article could also be applied to the likes of Drexler, Magic, Miller, Payton etc. One guy I'd love to see in today's game would be Stockton. So old school, right down to the short shorts! Could you imagine him trying to work with a Durant or a Harden? It would be fascinating to watch.
I also think bigs like Ewing, Robinson and even Hakeem wouldn't be as dominant today and may even have to develop a 3 point shot just to stay on the court.
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Post by connors on May 12, 2020 7:23:08 GMT
You are quite right - very Jordan biased. I think if anything it lends weight to Mr Talls argument about it depends on what your age is largely. I thought it was interesting but you can pick holes in it. For example it gives Jordan the credit for dominating offensively due to the less physical defence being played but then glosses over the fact that he played physical defence himself....but would still be a dominant defender! I don't necessarily disagree but you can make these articles tell whatever narrative you want.
I tend to believe all the best players from any era would've found a way to thrive in any era had they grown up in that era. A more interesting debate is the time machine where you take prime Magic Johnson and stick him in this season. How would he get on. Could he shoot well enough from deep to keep teams honest? Would be be exposed in the pick and roll or would switching suit him due to his size? I think he'd find a way to thrive.
I also think that you underestimate how good those 3 centres were. Young Ewing and Hakeem and Robinson were all dominant defenders who had plenty of speed to handle the occasional switch. If you took just Hakeem and put him with the current Rockets team his biggest issue would be getting the ball :-). I often wonder if a new Shaq came along what would happen? There are so few bigs in the league he could tear through games if the coach was brave enough to risk possibly mismatches versus small ball line ups. Phil Jackson was the last coach who had the guts to stay tall versus the increasing trend to get smaller and quicker. Gasol, Odom and Bynum playing volleyball on the offensive glass. Its what makes for fascinating games.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 7:31:40 GMT
You hit the nail on the head there mate, I fully agree any superstar would find a way to be successful in any era, that's why they are superstars. So many miss that point.
I think the closest to a new shaq type player is Zion. If he continues to play the bully ball he does hes going to have a field day in the paint, which is nuts being only 6'6
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Post by Colicab85 on May 12, 2020 8:07:36 GMT
You hit the nail on the head there mate, I fully agree any superstar would find a way to be successful in any era, that's why they are superstars. So many miss that point. I think the closest to a new shaq type player is Zion. If he continues to play the bully ball he does hes going to have a field day in the paint, which is nuts being only 6'6 I think i agree with this until you hit the 50s, i dont think Mikan would be good in todays league
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 10:21:29 GMT
Yeah agree there
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Post by connors on May 12, 2020 11:20:43 GMT
I meant to put that I think once you go back into the early 60s/50s its probably not always the case.
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Post by SamH on May 21, 2020 13:07:01 GMT
It was interesting to see Horace Grant and a few others comment that the series grossly misrepresented a lot of what actually happened. Sounds like MJ had final say on the editing and content. That's a shame if we didn't get an accurate portrayal of a lot of it, but that's going to happen when someone appoints themselves as the sole authority and decision maker I guess. You could see MJ being something of a dictator around it but if it covers up the reality then it's BS.
That said it was still a good look back and there were definitely some unique insights into the Bulls at that time.
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Post by Solly on May 21, 2020 15:22:35 GMT
Yes has been very entertaining. In fact I only signed up for Netflix to see this, though am particularly enjoying other sports documentaries on there e.g Sunderland Till I Die, even though I am not really a fan of soccer.
But even though I am appreciative of the Last Dance being there rather than not existing at all, Jordan as executive producer must have skewed the content.
When I realised that Jordan was an executive producer it made me question how much clips of Sam Smith were edited for the series. The Jordan Rules was a shocking read at the time it was published, puncturing the public image of Jordan to the extent that I recall Sam Smith becoming a pariah reporter for the Bulls.
In addition to the clips of Smith, how accurately have the likes of Horace Grant/BJ Armstrong/Toni Kukoc been represented in the series?
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Post by SamH on May 21, 2020 16:48:55 GMT
Trouble is he, like a lot of people with too much power and control are incapable of being objective and don't take well to criticism.
He didn't like the suggestion Payton did a good job on him in the 1996 finals (and I couldn't believe it took until game 4 for George Karl to put him on MJ!) even though it was clear he did.
Some people just struggle with the reality if it doesn't fit their agenda I guess.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 18:55:56 GMT
This was only made because Lebron won in Cleveland. It has nothing to do with anything other than Jordan's ego, but did you really expect anything different?
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Post by youngrocks on May 21, 2020 20:53:31 GMT
Bbc get john amaechi on to talk about mj and the documentary.... interesting article on bbc sport... then he says he hasn't actually watched it🤔
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Post by Balogun on May 22, 2020 11:43:46 GMT
Bbc get john amaechi on to talk about mj and the documentary.... interesting article on bbc sport... then he says he hasn't actually watched it🤔 Only Amaechi would have the nerve and stupidity to go on a programme and admit that
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 20:25:20 GMT
Tbf , even if he knew nothing about something, JA would know more about it than anyone else
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