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Post by massiveridersfan on Oct 27, 2020 20:07:02 GMT
Looks as if Riders are in the toughest group, although thank goodness we aren't facing last season's champions, Rocks! Dodged a bullet there. Think the Covid virus that spread throughout the team very recently will make if hard for us to win this group but (tbh) I'm not really that bothered about this competition as long as we are competitive in the league.
It'll be great to watch some BBL games live, assuming they'll be broadcast on the internet at least.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 20:22:55 GMT
Are there are Bristol fans still on here? MikeVigorFanClub? Amy Filton?
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Oct 27, 2020 21:01:10 GMT
Are there are Bristol fans still on here? MikeVigorFanClub? Amy Filton? Thought there had been a distinct absence of flyers support recently. Most support for them in the last few months has been me downloading their app unnecessarily |
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Post by 2NFR on Oct 27, 2020 21:23:46 GMT
BBL Cup The teams have been split in to three groups as follows: Group 1 – Bristol Flyers, Plymouth Raiders, Surrey Scorchers, Worcester Wolves* Group 2 – Cheshire Phoenix, Glasgow Rocks*, Manchester Giants Group 3 – Leicester Riders, London Lions, Newcastle Eagles, B. Braun Sheffield Sharks *=provisional Teams will play other teams in their group home and away. Only the bottom placed team will be eliminated from each of the groups, with the Quarter Final places determined as follows: Group 1 winner v Group 3 third place Group 3 winner v Group 1 third place Group 2 winner v Group 1 runner-up Group 3 runner-up v Group 2 runner-up The Semi-Finals will be determined by an open draw. Quarter Finals (Single Leg) – 11-13 December 2020 Semi-Finals (Two Legged) – 08-10 January 2021 Final – Sunday 24 January 2021 Fixtures and dates for the remainder of the season will be confirmed in due course. Group 3 ... OUCH  www.bbl.org.uk/2020-21-bbl-cup-fixtures-and-dates-confirmed/ |
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Post by baldereagle on Oct 28, 2020 8:49:59 GMT
Can someone explain the logic of the 3 groups ?
All I can see is the old British Rail regions :-
Group 1 - Great Western
Group 2 - London North Western
Group 3 - London North Eastern
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Post by dandayr on Oct 28, 2020 8:52:15 GMT
keep travel to a minimum ?
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Post by blueskies99 on Oct 28, 2020 13:32:13 GMT
keep travel to a minimum ? If that was the case, surely this would be better... Glasgow, Newcastle, Manchester Cheshire, Sheffield, Leicester, Worcester Bristol, London, Surrey, Plymouth |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 28, 2020 15:43:41 GMT
First let me say, it's fantastic news the new BBL season starts this weekend. As for the groups, I'd echo the questioning on how these were decided. I don't see any logic behind them, other than guaranteeing Group 3 is going to produce exciting games! Seems a little unfair unless it truly was a random draw (which I doubt). Also, 2 groups of 4 teams and 1 group of 3 teams... with the bottom team in each group being eliminated after the group stage. Isn't that a little unfair too? It's easier to qualify for the next round if you have more teams in your group. And finally, Glasgow's and Worchester's participation is provisional. Why? I assumed Glasgow's reason might be due to the Scottish restrictions varying from the English restrictions. But what about Worchester? I've also heard these two teams might be holding out on actually receiving government funding in their bank accounts... which is fair enough, but why just them and no others? But hey, whatever. To be honest I don't really care about any of the above. I'm just excited that the BBL returns this weekend!  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 15:47:54 GMT
I read on bblfix Instagram that it was to do with when each club said they were happy to commence play
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 15:59:35 GMT
Also, 2 groups of 4 teams and 1 group of 3 teams... with the bottom team in each group being eliminated after the group stage. Isn't that a little unfair too? It's easier to qualify for the next round if you have more teams in your group. How are you going to get around that? two groups of 5.5 teams, three of 3.6666666666666666666666666667, 4 of 2.75, 5 of 2.2? I quite like 8 of 1.375 I could go on. And often do.....
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Post by dandayr on Oct 28, 2020 16:25:35 GMT
And finally, Glasgow's and Worchester's participation is provisional. Why? I assumed Glasgow's reason might be due to the Scottish restrictions varying from the English restrictions. But what about Worchester? I've also heard these two teams might be holding out on actually receiving government funding in their bank accounts... which is fair enough, but why just them and no others? But hey, whatever. To be honest I don't really care about any of the above. I'm just excited that the BBL returns this weekend! as mentioned in the other thread - there is nothing in the new 5 level restrictions the Scots Gov have starting on Monday that restricts behind closed doors for the Rocks. Each level calls out that professional sport is excluded from the restrictions like other than Level 0 all adult sport only allowed outside and at level 3 even outdoor adult cant be contact Rocks do mention in their fixture update this morning it is based on confirmation of the funding coming through, so that will be the cause of their provisional. |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 28, 2020 16:25:52 GMT
Also, 2 groups of 4 teams and 1 group of 3 teams... with the bottom team in each group being eliminated after the group stage. Isn't that a little unfair too? It's easier to qualify for the next round if you have more teams in your group. How are you going to get around that? two groups of 5.5 teams, three of 3.6666666666666666666666666667, 4 of 2.75, 5 of 2.2? I quite like 8 of 1.375 I could go on. And often do.....
Yeah I know, no way around it with 11 teams currently in the league, still doesn't mean it's a fair competition though does it? Just sharing my thoughts really, like I said, all I really care about is being able to watch live competitive BBL games again.  |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 28, 2020 16:27:40 GMT
And finally, Glasgow's and Worchester's participation is provisional. Why? I assumed Glasgow's reason might be due to the Scottish restrictions varying from the English restrictions. But what about Worchester? I've also heard these two teams might be holding out on actually receiving government funding in their bank accounts... which is fair enough, but why just them and no others? But hey, whatever. To be honest I don't really care about any of the above. I'm just excited that the BBL returns this weekend! as mentioned in the other thread - there is nothing in the new 5 level restrictions the Scots Gov have starting on Monday that restricts behind closed doors for the Rocks. Each level calls out that professional sport is excluded from the restrictions like other than Level 0 all adult sport only allowed outside and at level 3 even outdoor adult cant be contact Rocks do mention in their fixture update this morning it is based on confirmation of the funding coming through, so that will be the cause of their provisional.So Rocks and Wolves not willing to take the risk whilst all others are? I suppose that's their right. |
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Post by MansfieldMike on Oct 28, 2020 21:34:22 GMT
Can someone explain the logic of the 3 groups ? All I can see is the old British Rail regions :- Group 1 - Great Western Group 2 - London North Western Group 3 - London North Eastern Looks like some crude attempt at seeding to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 21:59:45 GMT
as mentioned in the other thread - there is nothing in the new 5 level restrictions the Scots Gov have starting on Monday that restricts behind closed doors for the Rocks. Each level calls out that professional sport is excluded from the restrictions like other than Level 0 all adult sport only allowed outside and at level 3 even outdoor adult cant be contact Rocks do mention in their fixture update this morning it is based on confirmation of the funding coming through, so that will be the cause of their provisional.So Rocks and Wolves not willing to take the risk whilst all others are? I suppose that's their right. Big Duncan Disorderly is probably still wanting to bash egos with Nicola and try and force her into letting the Rocks sell as many tickets as he can. Through the Supporters Club though. Supporters matter, fans can stay away. |
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Oct 28, 2020 22:38:05 GMT
When Rocks refuse/ can't/ won't play that means Nix could lose both games against Giants and still finish runners up in ther group and qualify. It some of the games take place early on then Rocks eventually don't play then what happen So? The BBL say, sorry wel'll do it all again and let's forget those early games and we will start again?
Who'd be a competition organiser at the moment, Hersey??.?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 9:25:02 GMT
I presume Drunkster will be along in the next 48 hours to admit he was wrong and congratulate the BBL & D1 on restarting. |
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Post by retsek on Oct 29, 2020 9:30:48 GMT
RIP Sharks cup run.
I mean come on, someone's having a laugh at our expensive with that one!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 12:53:30 GMT
How are you going to get around that? two groups of 5.5 teams, three of 3.6666666666666666666666666667, 4 of 2.75, 5 of 2.2? I quite like 8 of 1.375 I could go on. And often do.....
Yeah I know, no way around it with 11 teams currently in the league, still doesn't mean it's a fair competition though does it? Just sharing my thoughts really, like I said, all I really care about is being able to watch live competitive BBL games again. Cup competitions aren't supposed to be fair, and they can't be with 11 teams.
I might have gone for one 11-team, everyone plays six game, three at home, three different sides away. Top four at home in the quarters, 5-8th away. That way if a side dropped out or doesn't complete due to a plague outbreak, games could be rearranged to ensure everyone else still plays. It's back to the question All String asked in the Lynch Trophy thread, this isn't a normal year and clubs/governing bodies need to be flexible
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Oct 29, 2020 13:29:54 GMT
BBL Cup The teams have been split in to three groups as follows: Group 1 – Bristol Flyers, Plymouth Raiders, Surrey Scorchers, Worcester Wolves* Group 2 – Cheshire Phoenix, Glasgow Rocks*, Manchester Giants Group 3 – Leicester Riders, London Lions, Newcastle Eagles, B. Braun Sheffield Sharks *=provisional Teams will play other teams in their group home and away. Only the bottom placed team will be eliminated from each of the groups, with the Quarter Final places determined as follows: Group 1 winner v Group 3 third place Group 3 winner v Group 1 third place Group 2 winner v Group 1 runner-up Group 3 runner-up v Group 2 runner-up If Wolves and Rocks decide not to compete then presumably they will be placed last in their group. That means so many games to play to take i fr |
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Post by number6 on Oct 30, 2020 8:15:45 GMT
RIP Sharks cup run. I mean come on, someone's having a laugh at our expensive with that one! Whilst I agree that this group seems artificially stacked If you want to win cups you have to beat the best of the other teams And from what I saw against Lions, I think we should be reasonably confident 😬 |
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Post by 2NFR on Oct 30, 2020 17:42:49 GMT
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Post by LTFan on Oct 30, 2020 18:13:17 GMT
Not sure how you’re arriving at that conclusion... ? Flyers have lost 2 games that’s all. Scorchers, Raiders and Wolves could still all lose more games than Flyers by the end of the group stage. Not a good start for Flyers though admittedly. |
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Oct 31, 2020 9:51:57 GMT
Unless of course Wolves *preliminary* games are cancelled as well. That leaves Scorchers and Raiders as quarters finalists plus  ? |
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Post by foxprorawks on Nov 1, 2020 10:40:14 GMT
It will be interesting to see how many cup games get played before a winner is announced. And to think how everyone laughed at Rocks trying to claim the league without playing all the games.
The BBL are an absolute shambles.
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... or am I wrong ? 
