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Post by casualhook on Nov 29, 2020 18:06:47 GMT
9-0 start to the 3rd quarter, up by 12 now, keep it up boys
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Post by casualhook on Nov 29, 2020 18:40:58 GMT
Very good win in the end, picks us up after a lot of doom and gloom after the France game, a nice 15 point win, well done boys
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Post by stevetino on Nov 29, 2020 18:42:24 GMT
Very good win in the end, picks us up after a lot of doom and gloom after the France game, a nice 15 point win, well done boys GB so much better in the 2nd games |
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Post by edware on Nov 29, 2020 18:44:07 GMT
Credit where its due, much improved performance and a great win. Olaseni was a beast.
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Post by LTFan on Nov 29, 2020 19:19:23 GMT
So Germany currently bottom of the group and in the elimination slot... only they won’t be because they’ve got guaranteed qualification as a host nation, so one of the other 3 qualifying teams wouldn’t qualify. Stupid format!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 19:29:05 GMT
Yeah. But tbey wouldn't be bottom if it mattered. It's a farce, though.
Great win
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Post by dandayr on Nov 29, 2020 19:51:03 GMT
GB on FB posted an apology re the coverage
Apologies to those trying to watch the game free via livebasketball.tv. There is an issue which we have asked them to look into but it currently requires subscription and payment.
Follow on Twitter @gbbasketball for regular game updates.
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Nov 29, 2020 20:35:21 GMT
Great we get to watch the defeat against France for free then can't watch the win!!!
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Post by samgray on Nov 29, 2020 20:55:02 GMT
Olaseni came out with a very articulate and impressive response to those questioning the coaching post game.
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Post by Richyyy on Feb 4, 2021 9:37:05 GMT
GB Women vs Belarus tips off at 11.30am UK time today. Win and we're in, lose and it gets very dicey. For a competition that might not actually happen, of course, but still. Live and free on YouTube:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 10:28:38 GMT
For a competition that might not actually happen, of course There's really no reason why the finals can't be put back to 2022, but with FIBA anything could happen. These are the people who put an extra eight teams into the finals because they didn't the qualifiers they wanted. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 13:21:58 GMT
Disappointing four period. finishing 2-2 with a -1 points difference should give us a reasonable chance of qualifying as one of the 5/9 second place teams. I'll let Richyy do the maths, though there's probably far too many games left to play to judge. That "basket" just after the buzzer could be costly. Pre-qualifiers and 7x4 team groups would've been a lot better rather than relying on results of games played in other groups, but - much as I love this team - this is a step backwards after last year. |
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Post by Richyyy on Feb 4, 2021 13:45:55 GMT
Yeah, it's a virtual certainty that we'll finish second in the group, but whether we'll be one of the top-5 runners-up is dependent on so many variables that I have no clue at this point.
Anigwe's awful, awful game - and Buceta leaving her in for far too long to continue being repeatedly awful - doomed us today. She has no actual post game, but she thinks she does. Which therefore leads to either turnovers or ugly heaves that might as well be turnovers. I much prefer Green, who knows her limitations and plays within them.
We're just so short on genuine international-level perimeter talent at the minute. Leedham-Warner pregnant, Vanderwal injured, Jones unavailable (I presume for health reasons), Collins retired, Handy getting on in years... So it's a step back on last year because this squad currently just doesn't have as much talent. Can only hope that youngsters like Winterburn are going to be good enough to provide a fresh injection (although if they are, I struggle to see why they aren't already in the squad).
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Post by Solly on Feb 4, 2021 14:41:30 GMT
Yes, Fagbenle was a force and you have to feed who's hot, but there was no Plan B once she (justifiably) cooled. Once Belarus realised this, it was game over. GB beat Poland twice and lose to Belarus twice and Poland beat Belarus - all very odd and leaves me giving up on which permutations can put GB through. But without a more rounded game, there won't be much further success if GB do proceed. And I just read that one of her brothers was in Handmaids Tale  |
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Post by Richyyy on Feb 4, 2021 23:00:16 GMT
Having now done all the relevant maths, I think we're almost certainly out. Looks like we're going to finish 7th or 8th of the 2nd-placed teams to me. Which is a shame.
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Post by allstring on Feb 5, 2021 1:09:23 GMT
Having now done all the relevant maths, I think we're almost certainly out. Looks like we're going to finish 7th or 8th of the 2nd-placed teams to me. Which is a shame. Unfortunately I agree. Need to "beat" 4 teams. No promises I've got this right, but my attempt to see how GB finish at least fifth of the nine second placers is as follows. Can't catch Turkey and Russia would need to lose by 60+. 2 gone Czech Republic or Italy (same group) would require one to lose by around 20 points to a weaker team. So pretty much 3 gone. Five left, need to jump four of them. Ukraine would need Belgium to lose by 60+ to a weaker team (Portugal) to jump GB. So one in the bag for GB Second best bet is a close match between Latvia and Germany with Latvia winning by 8 or less or Germany winning by 13 or less. So reasonable chance. Bulgaria to beat Greece by 4 or more. Certainly possible. Israel to beat Montenegro or to lose by 1 or 2 points. Maybe. That's the four. I suspect any odds say the first two yes, the last two no. But feasible. There is a freak result that could happen, Slovakia to beat the Netherlands by one point scoring 67 or less. Every result in the group suggests it could be that close and that low scoring; with one outlier which is actually the most relevant; Slovakia beat the Netherlands 84-64 in November! Of course a 28 or 29 point win by Poland over Belarus makes everything academic as GB would finish third in their group. |
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Post by Richyyy on Feb 5, 2021 2:22:53 GMT
I don't agree with all your calculations there. In the four-team groups you throw out the results against the teams finishing fourth. So in the Ukraine/Belgium group, they're probably both going to win their final games comfortably, Finland lose the tiebreaker for 3rd/4th, so results against them are thrown out. Ukraine would then be 2/2, with a points-difference of +2. So even they finish above us.
So yeah, I gave us maybe Greece/Bulgaria, and maybe Germany/Latvia, but I struggle to find any others. One or two freak results could help, like Israel beating Montenegro by a point, but even then it's a stretch.
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Post by allstring on Feb 5, 2021 4:02:26 GMT
I don't agree with all your calculations there. In the four-team groups you throw out the results against the teams finishing fourth. So in the Ukraine/Belgium group, they're probably both going to win their final games comfortably, Finland lose the tiebreaker for 3rd/4th, so results against them are thrown out. Ukraine would then be 2/2, with a points-difference of +2. So even they finish above us. So yeah, I gave us maybe Greece/Bulgaria, and maybe Germany/Latvia, but I struggle to find any others. One or two freak results could help, like Israel beating Montenegro by a point, but even then it's a stretch. Yep, I did miscalculate. I had them at -9 because I mistakenly dropped the second Portugal match rather than the only Finland one played to date. In theory it was the easiest of the four team groups to calculate because they have effectively played their four second place "qualification" games and their comparison to GB is locked in (the +2 as you rightly calculated) assuming they beat Finland. So Ukraine go from my definite out to only being behind GB if they lose to Finland, which looking at yesterday's results (so the squads available this week) is incredibly unlikely. Which I think realistically means GB need that one point low scoring victory by Slovakia to have any realistic (albeit still very unlikely) opportunity to qualify. Also Bulgaria only need to win by any margin (not the 4 I suggested) as Greece would fall to 1-3 of course. It's a shame that the heavy defeat in Belarus has effectively put GB behind Ukraine and Hungary in the count back. Otherwise Saturday could have got very interesting. |
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Post by Richyyy on Feb 7, 2021 5:53:40 GMT
Ultimately we finished 9th out of the 9 second-placed teams, and are now officially out. I remember saying at the time - 15 months ago, back when we were still allowed to go near each other and occasionally congregate for basketball games - that not only losing to Belarus at home but getting stuffed by Belarus at home could come back to bite us. And it did. We were 13 points off qualifying, so losing the only game we played on our home floor by 31 (to a decent but far from exceptional opponent) has doomed us.
This also means that we won't be qualifying for the 2022 World Cup, by the way, because they'll use EuroBasket Women 2021 as the pre-qualifier for the qualifying tournaments for that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 10:13:01 GMT
I guess with a limited talent pool (I blame netball) we're always going to have peaks and troughs, Since starting back in Division B the women have definitely overachieved. The whole qualification system - comparing winning/losing margins of teams who never played each other - is completely flawed. I can't see why the men and women have such radically different EuroBasket systems.
What's next for the women? pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre qualifying for the 2032 Olympics which will probably be staged in 2034?
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Post by Richyyy on Feb 7, 2021 14:34:53 GMT
Next up would be qualifiers for EuroBasket Women 2023, which could start this November. But it's FIBA, so who the hell knows.
And I agree that the system is a nonsense. They also make it incredibly hard for the average fan to work out what's going on, with 3-team and 4-team groups where you have to throw out certain games in order to compare across. Although in fairness, the numbers are awkward in terms of what they're starting with and want to get down to for the Finals, and a lot of the federations involved don't have a lot of money so probably don't want to play too many games in qualifying.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 15:51:10 GMT
Cheers, I didn't realise women's EuroBasket was still bi-annual. Completely different systems for the men and women don't help fans, either. I'd have thought pre-qualifiers and then seven four team groups would have been logical.
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Post by edware on Feb 17, 2021 12:08:36 GMT
Erm, pretty important game happening in 72 hours for the mens and not a final 12 squad list anywhere that I can find. Anyone know where I can find it or who's in the 12? GB posted a picture from Podgorica earlier with Dan and Teddy, so there's 2. Any informed guesses/knoweledge of the other 10?
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Post by spaced on Feb 17, 2021 12:27:43 GMT
I know Ovie Soko and Ashley Hamilton are there, not sure beyond that.
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Add Myles Hesson and Ben Mockford to that
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Post by youngrocks on Feb 17, 2021 12:45:19 GMT
The long list came out a week or so ago. They generally travel with 15 don't they?
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