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Post by dandayr on Dec 1, 2020 20:33:59 GMT
Question RE: Arena conversion Is there anyone here who knows how long it takes to convert say an ice hockey surface to a basketball floor? I'm just thinking about Cardiff and Viola Arena. Perhaps the owners of the Devils could create a Multisport team and have a Cardiff Devils basketball team. Then again someone would need to ask the question. like many things - how much money (read salary of staff to do it) are you willing to throw at it? I remember having the conversation once with Rocks GM about how few times the main arena was used - part of problem was the number of days it took to be set up, so I shared to him the Staples Centre. Kings were playing same day as one of the basketball teams - there is a video out there of the change over. Stapes centre can switch from Hockey to basketball (or the reverse) in 2hrs and that includes the seating moving not just the laying or lifting of a basketball court. If just switching between the two bball sides think it was about an hour. Its a while ago now and the memory cells are fading, but fairly sure when Rocks played at Braehead there were weekends when both Rocks and Clan had a home game so Braehead Arena were able to accommodate both hockey and basketball in one weekend. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 21:06:23 GMT
Clan came long after Rocks left Braehead, Paisley Pirates might have been playing, Ayr Scottish Eagles might have been there at the time as well, although that was a very brief spell before they folded.
I was using Viola as a case because if you convert from one sport to another with quick turnaround then it would definitely be an option worth exploring
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Post by themerseytiger on Dec 1, 2020 21:38:12 GMT
I would be interested in hearing what would be everyone's preferred town/city/borough/club for the BBL's twelfth franchise, and the reason why. As a scouser and a Tigers fan, Liverpool although I cant see BBL Basketball returning to the city due to lack of interest. At the minute, I would be grateful to see a NBL team in the city as Liverpool Basketball are on a year long break so there isn't a single senior team in the whole of Merseyside |
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Dec 1, 2020 21:43:57 GMT
I would be interested in hearing what would be everyone's preferred town/city/borough/club for the BBL's twelfth franchise, and the reason why. As a scouser and a Tigers fan, Liverpool although I cant see BBL Basketball returning to the city due to lack of interest. At the minute, I would be grateful to see a NBL team in the city as Liverpool Basketball are on a year long break so there isn't a single senior team in the whole of Merseyside Liverpool is a strange city for sport if you don't mind me saying. Passionate about football, but attempts to establish other professional sports teams (rugby, basketball) have so far all been unsuccessful. |
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Post by themerseytiger on Dec 1, 2020 21:49:41 GMT
As a scouser and a Tigers fan, Liverpool although I cant see BBL Basketball returning to the city due to lack of interest. At the minute, I would be grateful to see a NBL team in the city as Liverpool Basketball are on a year long break so there isn't a single senior team in the whole of Merseyside Liverpool is a strange city for sport if you don't mind me saying. Passionate about football, but attempts to establish other professional sports teams (rugby, basketball) have so far all been unsuccessful. Dont mind you saying at all. Had this debate on Twitter the other night with another scouser. We call ourselves the capital of sport but are only interested in one sport. Jelous of Manchester who have pretty much a bit of everything. |
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Post by dandayr on Dec 1, 2020 22:01:03 GMT
doh - yes I was braindead when I typed, it was of course Eagles (not clan) in a very brief life at Braehead sharing with Rocks
Eagles killed by the decision to leave full houses in Ayr to try their luck in a bigger arena that most decided (and I was one) was too far to follow them to
I preferred watching Rocks at Braehead to the Kelvin Hall, as long as was sitting in the upper tier. However emirates sports hall while lower capacity does feel better than Braehead.
Agree Cardiff's arena does sound like sort of capacity that folk are talking about as sort to target
Did Giants period at Manchester Arena overlap with Storm's time there?
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Dec 1, 2020 22:02:38 GMT
Saracens are the self appointed sports club for North London and Hertfordshire, extending into Essex and Milton Keynes. Saracens Mavericks play home games at Essex Sports Arena and at Marshall Arena, Milton Keynes, as well at their actual home at the University of Hertfordshire, Hatfield.
Could Hemel Storm stage some games at the Marshall Arena?
Oaklands Wolves used to be Essex and Herts Leopards. Do they still have roots in Essex? Could they play some home games at the Essex Sports Arena?
These are potentially ways that Hemel Storm and Oaklands Wolves could play in front of bigger audiences and grow their fan bases. Or a Saracens BBL team could do the same, although there is no indication that Saracens have any aspirations to add a basketball department to their club.
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Post by borthwick on Dec 1, 2020 22:06:59 GMT
West Herts Warriors used to play at Herts Sports Village but crowds were not large. No interest from Saracens or the Uni.
Oakland Wolves have no Essex links
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 22:09:26 GMT
[quote author=" dandayr" source="/post/100792/thread" Did Giants period at Manchester Arena overlap with Storm's time there?[/quote] Yes. And it was always bloody cold. The quickest way to convert ice hockey to basketball is to stick the wooden floor top of tbe ice. Often leads to a slippery surface |
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Dec 1, 2020 22:21:36 GMT
West Herts Warriors used to play at Herts Sports Village but crowds were not large. No interest from Saracens or the Uni. Oakland Wolves have no Essex links Thanks. Well that rules that out then. It seems that basketball teams require more of a local support base, like a lower league football club, whereas netball can draw crowds by coming to town like a circus, tapping into a residual interest from the general population. A Hemel team playing in Milton Keynes might not attract much interest from basketball fans in either town. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 22:34:02 GMT
West Herts Warriors used to play at Herts Sports Village but crowds were not large. No interest from Saracens or the Uni. Oakland Wolves have no Essex links Wolves were called Essex (and Herts) Leopards for the last 16 years, as were their predecessors for five yeaes. I'd say 21 years playing in Essex was a slight link. Herts uni (who own the SV) and Wolves have links with both the men's and women's teams |
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Dec 2, 2020 13:12:31 GMT
I don't think anyone has suggested the only D1 team that already has a BBL standard venue.
Essex Rebels.
That would also mean there is a team in every one of England's nine regions.
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Post by borthwick on Dec 2, 2020 13:23:17 GMT
With respect a well established club like Leopards couldn’t make that venue work so I think it’s an irrelevance
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Dec 3, 2020 21:24:01 GMT
Great discussion. In conclusion, there probably isn't a club that's ready right now to be the twelfth franchise. So the BBL will probably be an eleven team league for the foreseeable future. However, there are a few D1 clubs with nice 500+ seater arenas (not quite enough of these to form a BBL2 just yet). There are some cities that would be well suited to joining this pool of top end D1 clubs (e.g. Birmingham, Cardiff, Milton Keynes, Leeds, Bournemouth).
In my opinion it should be a goal of British basketball to have a BBL2 when there are enough D1 clubs with a suitable venue. Hopefully, in a couple of years, Bristol will have a new arena, Birmingham Rockets will be in D1, and maybe clubs from some of the other cities mentioned will be too. Then we can have a two division professional league like the French and the other top European basketball countries.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 22:04:22 GMT
No
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Dec 3, 2020 22:25:34 GMT
Actually yes. That was my thread and it is now concluded. I read your thread on BBL2. Just you and some other guy bickering. Pathetic waste of time. Good night. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 22:31:18 GMT
No one has their own thread on here.
You can open one, you don't get to close threads.
Your behaviour is very familiar, though.
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Dec 3, 2020 22:34:20 GMT
No one has their own thread on here. You can open one, you don't get to close threads. Your behaviour is very familiar, though. I don't care if you feel you need to get the last word in. This discussion is concluded. |
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Dec 3, 2020 22:41:40 GMT
😂😂
This discussion is concluded? Please, this discussion happens once every couple of months on here I swear.
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Dec 3, 2020 22:54:20 GMT
😂😂 This discussion is concluded? Please, this discussion happens once every couple of months on here I swear. Yes of course. I should say this thread is concluded. But as for the twelfth franchise question, unless someone turns up with a load of money there is no current prospective twelfth franchise. As for the BBL2 question, there are not enough D1 teams with nice venues. So, when COB Rockets gets to D1 and Bristol builds its arena we should reopen the discussion. But until then there is no point coming back to this. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 23:02:19 GMT
You don't get to decide when discussions end.
Sorry Richard
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Post by ballpark on Dec 3, 2020 23:02:21 GMT
Nice to dream big.
Would love to see:
1. Thames Valley Tigers return
2. A Birmingham franchise, still gutted they're hosting the commonwealth games but aren't running 5v5 basketball or building any new facilities, the 2k/COB Rockets news was welcome though.
3. Cardiff add a BBL team to their WBBL set-up
4. Essex Rebels add a BBL team to their WBBL set-up
5. Something down on the South Coast - Brighton/Worthing or Solent Stars
6. Derby
7. Liverpool
8. Belfast/Northern Ireland franchise
9. Leeds
10. A second London franchise
11. Reading
12. Oxford
13. Bradford
14. Edinburgh
Likely is another matter. I'm not smart enough and haven't been involved in the game long enough to really know how you build a BBL level franchise in a country that doesn't love indoor sport or invest in sports facilities. The link to colleges and universities seems fairly successful.
Agree that adding a BBL 2 tier might work to allow
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Dec 3, 2020 23:08:24 GMT
Nice to dream big. Would love to see: 1. Thames Valley Tigers return 2. A Birmingham franchise, still gutted they're hosting the commonwealth games but aren't running 5v5 basketball or building any new facilities, the 2k/COB Rockets news was welcome though. 3. Cardiff add a BBL team to their WBBL set-up 4. Essex Rebels add a BBL team to their WBBL set-up 5. Something down on the South Coast - Brighton/Worthing or Solent Stars 6. Derby 7. Liverpool 8. Belfast/Northern Ireland franchise 9. Leeds 10. A second London franchise 11. Reading 12. Oxford 13. Bradford 14. Edinburgh Likely is another matter. I'm not smart enough and haven't been involved in the game long enough to really know how you build a BBL level franchise in a country that doesn't love indoor sport or invest in sports facilities. The link to colleges and universities seems fairly successful. Agree that adding a BBL 2 tier might work to allow Would be great |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 23:14:12 GMT
Whatever happened to that chap who tried starting up a Scottish team in the East of Scotland?
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Dec 3, 2020 23:22:56 GMT
Whatever happened to that chap who tried starting up a Scottish team in the East of Scotland? Perfect time for it. The East Scotland Loch Downs. Good ring to it |
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