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Post by RaidersFan92 on Apr 20, 2021 12:13:03 GMT
Worrying... Attachments:
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Post by massiveridersfan on Apr 20, 2021 14:46:15 GMT
Can you clarify that please?
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Post by joec on Apr 20, 2021 14:58:14 GMT
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Post by mac on Apr 20, 2021 16:26:41 GMT
Is Pavilion's closing?
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Post by joec on Apr 20, 2021 16:55:25 GMT
that's the hopeful answer. another interpretation is that he's moving the franchise out of Plymouth. (not even sure what BBL rules are about that?)
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Post by raiders92 on Apr 20, 2021 17:12:43 GMT
Pavilions has been shutting since I was at uni in 2010!! The worry is there is no venue that could host the amount of fans the raiders have maybe you could get 500 in the life centre at a push!! Personally I would ask if raiders could buy the pavilions from the council and keep it as an asset for the city failing that we have so many empty units in the city that could be converted like they do in Australia!!
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Post by joec on Apr 20, 2021 17:32:13 GMT
glad to see my worst-case paranoia isn't true! it was a pretty ambiguous tweet. sucks if we need to find a new venue for sure
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Post by raiders92 on Apr 20, 2021 19:11:47 GMT
Pavilions has been shutting since I was at uni in 2010!! The worry is there is no venue that could host the amount of fans the raiders have maybe you could get 500 in the life centre at a push!! Personally I would ask if raiders could buy the pavilions from the council and keep it as an asset for the city failing that we have so many empty units in the city that could be converted like they do in Australia!!
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Post by notoriousbigz on Apr 21, 2021 7:45:16 GMT
glad to see my worst-case paranoia isn't true! it was a pretty ambiguous tweet. sucks if we need to find a new venue for sure Theyre legit looking at Birmingham. |
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Post by nobody81 on Apr 21, 2021 8:00:11 GMT
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Post by baldereagle on Apr 21, 2021 8:07:06 GMT
glad to see my worst-case paranoia isn't true! it was a pretty ambiguous tweet. sucks if we need to find a new venue for sure Theyre legit looking at Birmingham. Seems logical - it’s still just off the M 5. |
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Apr 21, 2021 8:08:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 8:24:33 GMT
that's the hopeful answer. another interpretation is that he's moving the franchise out of Plymouth. (not even sure what BBL rules are about that?) Teams can relocate, guess you must be new to following the BBL Glasgow Rocks started out in Edinburgh London Lions started out in Hemel Hempstead, also played in Watford then moved to Milton Keynes then finally moving to London Newcastle Eagles once played in Sunderland |
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Post by nobody81 on Apr 21, 2021 8:28:02 GMT
Slight difference in mileage!
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Post by LTFan on Apr 21, 2021 8:47:41 GMT
That doesn't appear to be the root cause of this. It's the fact Pavillions are asking for yet another increase in rent... for an aging and relatively small venue. Raiders are refusing to pay this latest increase. This could all be part of their negotiation tactics, or they could honestly be considering a move to somewhere like Birmingham. I can think of worse moves... especially next year where they could try and capitalise on the Commonwealth games interest, sort of like Lions did post Olympics. |
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Post by blackdiamond on Apr 21, 2021 9:49:07 GMT
I hope this is a negotiating ploy. Moving to Birmingham would be a slap in the face for one of the most loyal sets of fans in the league.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 10:08:27 GMT
Slight difference in mileage! Kingston (upon Thames) played a year in Glasgow!! I do wonder if they mean a 200% increase or doubling the rest (100% increase) but either way I can see why the ownership are saying no. Venues have lost money over the last 14 months but that doesn't mean they can insist on massive increases. It does sound like the rent being demanded makes it completely impossible to stay there. The Pavilions wouldn't be the first venue to deliberately price out a basketball club because they don't want them. They wouldn't be the first to find that it then sits empty (or being used for 4 old gits to play badminton) at a time they could've been making money. I hope they stay in plymouth. A move to Brum ends a long history. A few fans will follow them for a while, but slowly they'll get tired of the trip and the links will be broken. I've seen that, Saint Pat will back me up. |
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Post by joec on Apr 21, 2021 10:22:40 GMT
I am not new the BBL, heh. Not looking great..
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Apr 21, 2021 11:30:18 GMT
Probably does't help that it is no secret that PLY now have some money behind them and the Pavilions wants a piece of the pie. I saw on FB that this isn't out of character for the Pavilions so maybe contingency should have been in place before getting to this point!
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Post by raider001 on Apr 21, 2021 14:22:26 GMT
Every season the Pavillions demand excessive rent hikes because they’ve got Raiders by the balls. As far as I know, there is no alternative venue in Plymouth. A negotiation tactic I suspect but clearly this can’t continue every season.
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Post by baldereagle on Apr 21, 2021 15:15:31 GMT
I've got no idea about suitable venues, but what about Exeter ? It's still in Devon and being at the wrong end of the M5 hasn't stopped their rugby team performing !
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Post by dandayr on Apr 21, 2021 15:32:44 GMT
i assume their is a reason why the obvious solution is not the path being taken?
thought a big factor in the new investment owners was because they had links already in Plymouth through education?
so why would they not just put up their own building that is part of that education linkage and meets the school/college/university needs as well as the BBL team and the raiders community program needs?
they could even ask a fellow BBL side nicely for the blueprint of such a building that would support a college/bbl/community need ?
if the owners are investing for the long term - is that not the path you would expect, versus relocating to a bigger catchment city with a broken history of tier 1 club working out?
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Apr 21, 2021 15:37:26 GMT
Well I guess that depends on their interests. Maybe it isn't what they wanted out of the club? Maybe short term success was the name of the game? With European aspirations, the venue wouldn't be suitable anyway.
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Post by bullets92 on Apr 21, 2021 16:28:05 GMT
Unless they’re planning to throw the thousands required to rent out one of the two larger arenas here, they’re stuck having to play at the inadequate (think seating capacity) and/or often fairly inaccessible leisure centres we have here.
I honestly can’t see how Birmingham’s an option
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Apr 21, 2021 16:34:53 GMT
Surely the best bet is as said above. Build their own using the Leicester or Newcastle framework (or best of both). But those things take time and a lot of planning so need to get on it sharpish
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