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Post by ballingscalling on Sept 6, 2021 15:03:02 GMT
As a long standing basketball fan I am finding it hard to get behind the new Plymouth team. I don't know about anyone else but apart from a basketball sometimes appearing randomly on some advertisement, there are no other associations to the game.
This brings the question... should someone who hasn't played basketball or been involved with the game run a Basketball team? Previous sponsorship does not result in understanding of the game or the basketball community. Maybe others know his history that I do not.
Is the above occurring because they do not have the personal connections / understanding to the club previous owners have had in the past? That connection made it relatable to fans and understanding decisions have been made with the game/fans truly at heart. I do believe it needed to return to ownership of someone solely in Plymouth and not another country for that reason but something still isn't quite right.
Whilst I fully appreciate that the club needs to be commercially viable, solely having a finance driven approach won't help bring the fans in. Where has the excitement and passion for the game gone. Surely that is why we are all here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2021 16:26:56 GMT
If only there was already a thread about Plymouth....
I'm really not sure what you expect given the time frame. And if the new club doesn't have a "finance driven approach" it will join the long list of BBL franchise that lasted less than 5 years.
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Post by erd87 on Sept 6, 2021 16:43:42 GMT
If it were me and the Eagles had been folded by new owners in the space of a year, I'd just be pleased that someone was willing to stick their neck out and pick up the mantle. Surely at this point any type of pro team in Plymouth is a win?
As said above, any approach to creating a sustainable BBL franchise is a finance first approach. It's really hard to make a success of it and the people who've made a success out of it had to work extremely hard to get to this point.
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Post by clintonh on Sept 6, 2021 18:39:23 GMT
Ordered my season ticket. I’m sure the Patriots will have a more Raiders feel to the organisation that the actual Raiders of the Johnny White era
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Sept 6, 2021 19:13:09 GMT
I have been a raiders fan for near on 2 decades. Whilst I’m pleased that basketball will continue in the city, I have zero feeling of allegiance to the team. I wish him well and my feelings could change in the future, but for now I will very much be viewing this season as a neutral
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Post by basketballjoe3 on Sept 6, 2021 19:48:21 GMT
The last decade or so of Raiders has been one of infighting, public relations faux pas (Widdecombe loved to have a go at the Herald) and financial irresponsibility. A number of people we know have had to walk away and find new means of employment as a result, it has literally been life changing for them.
Raiders 83 was owned by "basketball people", look what good that did. Plymouth Raiders Development is run by good people (parents mostly) who become "basketball people" over time. We're still here.
Find the best person for the role, you can teach them the job.
Whilst I sympathise with the sentiment around the loss of Raiders, what have we actually lost, if my first paragraph is not true?
We still have a team, a place to watch basketball on Sundays and a lot of the good work done in the community will continue.
I am a fan of basketball, I happen to have supported Raiders. I am still a fan of basketball. We, still get to watch games on a Sunday. Patriots have my full support.
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Post by erd87 on Sept 6, 2021 20:03:10 GMT
The last decade or so of Raiders has been one of infighting, public relations faux pas (Widdecombe loved to have a go at the Herald) and financial irresponsibility. A number of people we know have had to walk away and find new means of employment as a result, it has literally been life changing for them. Raiders 83 was owned by "basketball people", look what good that did. Plymouth Raiders Development is run by good people (parents mostly) who become "basketball people" over time. We're still here. Find the best person for the role, you can teach them the job. Whilst I sympathise with the sentiment around the loss of Raiders, what have we actually lost, if my first paragraph is not true? We still have a team, a place to watch basketball on Sundays and a lot of the good work done in the community will continue. I am a fan of basketball, I happen to have supported Raiders. I am still a fan of basketball. We, still get to watch games on a Sunday. Patriots have my full support. 100% this. When I go to an Eagles game, it's not the logo, name, branding or jerseys I support. It's the people and the work done in our communities that make an organisation as far as I'm concerned. The BBL team is just the tip of the iceberg. I would imagine the people involved at Patriots have taken a big risk.They at least deserve a chance in Plymouth. They might not get it right first time but people need to realise how fragile these situations can be. It's really, really hard and takes a lot of dedication to get things to a Riders/Eagles level of operation. |
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Post by AJ on Sept 8, 2021 8:17:09 GMT
We are holding off buying a season ticket for now. We will see how the first few games go and hopefully it’ll be the same great game day experience as it was when it was Raiders
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 8:50:28 GMT
That'll help get the new franchise established.
I know you owe the new franchise no loyalty, it's not Raiders, but if you want to be watching basketball in five, ten years time (hell, even 2022/23), they need all the support they can get. If fewer people had walked away from Leopards when the BBL club died, we might still be here today.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Sept 8, 2021 8:56:39 GMT
Yeah I’ve got to be honest I’m absolutely baffled by these “I’m a raiders fan not a patriots fan” comments. The Raiders are dead lads I hate to say it, and as Herse says, if you want to be watching basketball in Plymouth you’re going to need to get behind this new incarnation.
If not then that’s entirely your choice of course, but it’s cutting the nose off to spite the face if it’s purely because they’re not the raiders. Basketballjoes got this bang on the head.
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Post by ant88 on Sept 8, 2021 9:21:53 GMT
No one was more gutted than myself when raiders pulled out of the league I’ve been a raiders fan since the EBL days and I had no idea what I was going 2 do 2 get my live basketball fix as it’s my escape and always has been . Once Plymouth city patriots were announced it was a no brainier to get behind the club and give my 100 Percent support . I will be attending every home game possible this season
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Post by borthwick on Sept 8, 2021 9:22:56 GMT
I'm astounded by the comments. Ask the people of Worcester how it feels to lose their basketball. The guy who has stepped up had no obligation to do so . He must have loved Raiders. And it would still be Raiders if he could use the brand. He needs all the help he can get. With respect you sound like Arsenal supporters with a great sense of entitlement. I've lost three clubs in my time is the game and it's horrible. Be grateful.
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Post by casualhook on Sept 8, 2021 10:25:27 GMT
Yeah everyone is allowed to feel and do as they please
But some of the comments on here and on Twitter moaning about all different aspects of the new franchise are almost as confusing as they are annoying, I Am mostly on about Twitter now as I feel leaving negative comments about the badge and wherever else on the teams Twitter posts must be pretty demoralising for a bloke who has put into his own pockets to keep pro basketball going in the city
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 10:53:05 GMT
I wish Carl a huge amount of success and its clear he has a passion for basketball. You don't generally go to the parents meeting of the u14s squad if you're just in it for business , he cares about the club and cares about his sons.
I'm probably in the boat you're talking about, I was a raiders fan, im not a patriots fan. Patriots haven't played a game, how can I be a fan? Will I attend games, yes, will I encourage my son and daughter to support them, absolutely. I just can't switch instantly.
Bigz if Everton went bust tonight would you instantly become a Liverpool fan? I highly doubt it
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Post by ant88 on Sept 8, 2021 11:07:34 GMT
The thing is weather your sitting on the fence about going to the patriot games or people saying I’m a raiders fan not a patriot fan raiders are no more and if the basketball fans in the city of Plymouth want to continue watching and supporting live basketball they need to get behind Carl , Paul and the team/ club or else if the raiders fans don’t return to the Pavillions there won’t be a team in the future
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Post by casualhook on Sept 8, 2021 11:37:53 GMT
. Bigz if Everton went bust tonight would you instantly become a Liverpool fan? I highly doubt it Ah yes that long standing, 100 year old rivalry between Plymouth and *checks notes* also Plymouth What an awful comparison |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Sept 8, 2021 12:10:33 GMT
I wish Carl a huge amount of success and its clear he has a passion for basketball. You don't generally go to the parents meeting of the u14s squad if you're just in it for business , he cares about the club and cares about his sons. I'm probably in the boat you're talking about, I was a raiders fan, im not a patriots fan. Patriots haven't played a game, how can I be a fan? Will I attend games, yes, will I encourage my son and daughter to support them, absolutely. I just can't switch instantly. Bigz if Everton went bust tonight would you instantly become a Liverpool fan? I highly doubt it Casual hook has basically said what I was going to. Its not like im asking you to support Bristol for example. Its literally a case of basketball or no basketball. You presumably want a team in the area? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 12:24:15 GMT
Oh, c'mon Bigz. Liverpool only exist because your mob left Anfield. In a parallel universe they're the same club. Basketball fans really disappoint me at times  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 12:56:20 GMT
Its not though. The turks forced the bbl to remove them by them breaking the rules. Raiders owners submit application to join the bbl separately as the Plymouth Raiders, patriots enter bid and are given the franchise. They are a rival franchise even if they never competed against each other
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Post by notoriousbigz on Sept 8, 2021 13:00:18 GMT
Its not though. The turks forced the bbl to remove them by them breaking the rules. Raiders owners submit application to join the bbl separately as the Plymouth Raiders, patriots enter bid and are given the franchise. They are a rival franchise even if they never competed against each other So basketball vs no basketball then. Because the raiders owners didn’t have a chance of getting that franchise irrespective of the rival bid. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 13:02:45 GMT
I've said I'll attend games, just can't call myself a fan instantly. Raiders were a lot more than a local basketball club to me
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Post by sonjel on Sept 8, 2021 17:23:58 GMT
Wind back to August 2007. Leicester Riders are three weeks away from going out of existence. Local Sponsor steps up. Fans get behind Club. I'll leave it there.
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Post by nobody81 on Sept 8, 2021 18:28:48 GMT
The thing is weather your sitting on the fence about going to the patriot games or people saying I’m a raiders fan not a patriot fan raiders are no more and if the basketball fans in the city of Plymouth want to continue watching and supporting live basketball they need to get behind Carl , Paul and the team/ club or else if the raiders fans don’t return to the Pavillions there won’t be a team in the future A lot of people won’t get behind them because of the people running the club. No disrespect to Carl but Paul isn’t Mister Popular and the way he’s treated other ‘raiders staff/volunteers’ in the past doesn’t sit well! |
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Post by ant88 on Sept 8, 2021 18:53:18 GMT
Well if the fans don’t get behind the club it isn’t going to be around in the long term which is sad to say I would rather basketball than no basketball
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 19:11:16 GMT
Who has Paul treated poorly? Everyone I know around the club has nothing but nice things to say about him
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