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Post by jumbo on Oct 13, 2021 17:43:16 GMT
Interesting to see how Lions get on. I think the feeling from the Riders camp was that we would have fancied our chances against them with a full team. Always hard to gauge too much from pre season and it's an easy statement to make when you lose a game short handed but I think Lions should stand a decent chance. Win tonight and they put themselves in a good position for a top 2 finish in the group.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 17:51:51 GMT
For those that don’t know, FIBA Europe is pretty much the least standard of European competition and even if Lions won the whole thing, no one on the real basketball universe would care. Let alone punters as you say over here. So whether it’s £27 or £5 per ticket, this level and standard of basketball seems just not attractive to general audiences. Playing in an empty 6000 seat arena at this stage is just plain stupid. Isn’t there a 500-1000 seat gym around?? if no one cares, why do you? A British team winning a European trophy would be huge. Hell, we got decent publicity for finishing 3rd in a knockabout in Vegas that was never repeated. and if yuu really knew European basketball, you'd know a 500-1000 seater gaff doesn't get you in. |
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Post by everard on Oct 13, 2021 18:07:09 GMT
Doesn't look like many people from Groningen have gone to the game either
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Post by blueskies99 on Oct 13, 2021 18:43:17 GMT
LDN up 17 at HT
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 13, 2021 18:43:37 GMT
Sufficed to say Teagues well and truly shown up.
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Post by Solly on Oct 13, 2021 18:45:54 GMT
Well, that first-half must have surprised the doom-mongers on here.
Lions getting lots of good looks that weren't falling Early doors but are now.
Teague lively, Reese running the show and Kelley punching bigger opponents in the face.
Am really enjoying this.
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Post by casualhook on Oct 13, 2021 18:49:52 GMT
Very surprised at the school but very pleased I really did think lines would do well to win one game So hopefully fingers crossed nothing goes wrong and they get that out of the way at the first attempt, I was also a bit pessimistic about going to the game next week due to the lack of sales, but I’m a lot more confident it will be competitive now so I’m looking forward to it again
After some (possibly deserved) Pessimism surrounding the Lions recently at least they’re getting it right on the court at the moment
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Post by borthwick on Oct 13, 2021 18:57:01 GMT
Lions playing well shooting well Teague looks good. But the opposition look poor. Can't shoot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 19:03:56 GMT
Well, that first-half must have surprised the doom-mongers on here. . yeah. they're very quiet. must by cleaning their bridges |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 13, 2021 19:15:40 GMT
A somewhat shaky first quarter for Lions, but an impressive second.
Teague, Reese and Kelley looking good, and the team in general seem to have good chemistry.
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Post by philip on Oct 13, 2021 19:52:49 GMT
Only managed to catch the second half but looked very convincing.
Have to say, despite Donar looking weak, or certainly playing poorly, London handled it all in their stride.
I have often thought the Lions remind me of Tottenham Hotspur ... Always likely to do something very 'Spursy' and slip at the most important of moments. BUT not tonight. They deserve all the praise they get, especially Vince, who always gets overlooked and ridiculed.
Thought the team itself looked great - Still worry about Kelly being too slight, Teague seems like he's been reading comments on Whatsbev - And the box score suggests a lack of depth but hoping Jordan Robinson will return soon.
Great job by the Lions
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 20:15:32 GMT
For those that don’t know, FIBA Europe is pretty much the least standard of European competition and even if Lions won the whole thing, no one on the real basketball universe would care. Let alone punters as you say over here. So whether it’s £27 or £5 per ticket, this level and standard of basketball seems just not attractive to general audiences. Playing in an empty 6000 seat arena at this stage is just plain stupid. Isn’t there a 500-1000 seat gym around?? if no one cares, why do you? A British team winning a European trophy would be huge. Hell, we got decent publicity for finishing 3rd in a knockabout in Vegas that was never repeated. and if yuu really knew European basketball, you'd know a 500-1000 seater gaff doesn't get you in. I know enough about European ball that winning a trophy in the worst competition means NOTHING!!!! Even the BCL would be questionable but borderline acceptable. |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 13, 2021 20:40:46 GMT
if no one cares, why do you? A British team winning a European trophy would be huge. Hell, we got decent publicity for finishing 3rd in a knockabout in Vegas that was never repeated. and if yuu really knew European basketball, you'd know a 500-1000 seater gaff doesn't get you in. I know enough about European ball that winning a trophy in the worst competition means NOTHING!!!! Even the BCL would be questionable but borderline acceptable. If winning it means nothing I’d like to know what it means for the 31 teams that don’t win it! Or for the teams that didn’t even qualify for it! I’d also like to have as much free time as you to continually comment on something you don’t like. I don’t have the time for everything I like, let alone what I don’t. You do fascinate me sometimes, but always make me smile!  |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 13, 2021 20:45:19 GMT
Only managed to catch the second half but looked very convincing. Have to say, despite Donar looking weak, or certainly playing poorly, London handled it all in their stride. I have often thought the Lions remind me of Tottenham Hotspur ... Always likely to do something very 'Spursy' and slip at the most important of moments. BUT not tonight. They deserve all the praise they get, especially Vince, who always gets overlooked and ridiculed. Thought the team itself looked great - Still worry about Kelly being too slight, Teague seems like he's been reading comments on Whatsbev - And the box score suggests a lack of depth but hoping Jordan Robinson will return soon. Great job by the Lions I assume you mean Justin Robinson! But, yes, I agree. Lack of depth? Maybe. Teague, Reese and Washburn certainly did the heavy lifting tonight, but I still feel there’s enough talent in the likes of Kelley, Williams and Williams to name a few to step up if needed. First win by a British team in a European competition for almost 18 years. Good start. Let’s see where it goes from here. Was Nick Nurse the last BBL coach to win in Europe? |
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Post by drivethebody on Oct 13, 2021 20:53:48 GMT
Great win!
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Post by saintpat on Oct 13, 2021 22:42:46 GMT
Fantastic win! I'm shocked & hugely delighted.
Some nerves from both teams in the 1st quarter & Lions missed some easy buckets but holding any team to 13 is a decent start. 2nd quarter the shots started to drop for Lions & their intensity level on defence stepped up, Donar like Lions were missing some open shots in the 1st quarter but 2nd quarter(& subsequent) they had very few easy looks.
Lions have come out very sluggish in the 3rd recently but not tonight, continued to push hard & create some space for themselves. Not many transition baskets but we kept control of the ball quite well.
The most pleasing quarter was the 4th. Donar started to reduce the deficit at the end of the 3rd & continued to exert more pressure on Lions at the stat of the 4th, Donar's crowd finally woke up & Donar pressed even harder. It would have been easy for an inexperienced European team like Lions to fold at this moment but Lions held their nerve & dug really deep to stem the tide & slowly turn it round & silence the crowd. Yes they were helped by an injury to Donar's big guy who Lions couldn't cope with inside but take nothing away from this team & a monumental win.
Washburn was excellent throughout defensively & looked like he could have played all night. Teague came good after a very poor 1st game & improved as the game went on as he relaxed more & stopped trying too hard, he can certainly shoot & handle the ball well & with him & Reese playing it was difficult for Donar to decide who they should be concentrating on.
I'm still concerned about Kelley but hey we won & he played decent minutes. Jordan Williams looked far happier than in the 1st game & played some very valuable minutes.
Yes, we didn't share the minutes around much, basically 7 players & I was a little worried that if we'd needed other players in the 4th it could have been difficult as they wouldn't have been up with the level of the game but the strategy certainly worked. Slightly disappointing that only one British player saw minutes but that will be 2 when Justin finally returns & if that's what we need to do to qualify for the next stage, then so be it.
Onwards to the game next Wednesday & hopefully this will help towards building a decent crowd at the Box.
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Post by dandayr on Oct 13, 2021 23:08:01 GMT
This made me laugh, looked at ticket sales behind the basket. Billy no-mates is a massive understatement for the person who bought that single ticket! View Attachment maybe just a broken seat and removed from being available to be sold  never had chance to watch tonight - out at a BUCS game. Nice win for LDN and from the couple of clips since seen on twitter looks like will be worth watching the on-demand of it - is that the case? |
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Post by donthatetheplayer on Oct 14, 2021 11:03:52 GMT
Well done Lions and helps elevate the BBL no question....but they do have to use their new found cash to invest in followers/fan base. Mystifying that the UK's capital has zero interest (which I don't believe for a second).... or just the price point is so high that the very people they need to be targetting can't afford it. Surely 2000 people at £12-£15 a seat makes more commercial sense than 100 at £27. Absolutely mental. Premier League Football gets slated for this very reason that it's lost its soul to cash. Basketball cannot afford to be seen as a elitist sport to watch. They should get into all of the schools locally and absolutely blitz it, get the players out there like most other BBL clubs engaging with the London boroughs.
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Post by LTFan on Oct 14, 2021 11:09:07 GMT
This made me laugh, looked at ticket sales behind the basket. Billy no-mates is a massive understatement for the person who bought that single ticket! View Attachment maybe just a broken seat and removed from being available to be sold never had chance to watch tonight - out at a BUCS game. Nice win for LDN and from the couple of clips since seen on twitter looks like will be worth watching the on-demand of it - is that the case?I'd say it's worth watching on YouTube if you've got the time, if only for a lesson on how to put on an entertaining gameday at an arena and provide quality coverage of it. I thoroughly enjoyed it, but I am a Lions fan. |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 14, 2021 11:19:23 GMT
Fantastic win! I'm shocked & hugely delighted. Some nerves from both teams in the 1st quarter & Lions missed some easy buckets but holding any team to 13 is a decent start. 2nd quarter the shots started to drop for Lions & their intensity level on defence stepped up, Donar like Lions were missing some open shots in the 1st quarter but 2nd quarter(& subsequent) they had very few easy looks. Lions have come out very sluggish in the 3rd recently but not tonight, continued to push hard & create some space for themselves. Not many transition baskets but we kept control of the ball quite well. The most pleasing quarter was the 4th. Donar started to reduce the deficit at the end of the 3rd & continued to exert more pressure on Lions at the stat of the 4th, Donar's crowd finally woke up & Donar pressed even harder. It would have been easy for an inexperienced European team like Lions to fold at this moment but Lions held their nerve & dug really deep to stem the tide & slowly turn it round & silence the crowd. Yes they were helped by an injury to Donar's big guy who Lions couldn't cope with inside but take nothing away from this team & a monumental win. Washburn was excellent throughout defensively & looked like he could have played all night. Teague came good after a very poor 1st game & improved as the game went on as he relaxed more & stopped trying too hard, he can certainly shoot & handle the ball well & with him & Reese playing it was difficult for Donar to decide who they should be concentrating on. I'm still concerned about Kelley but hey we won & he played decent minutes. Jordan Williams looked far happier than in the 1st game & played some very valuable minutes. Yes, we didn't share the minutes around much, basically 7 players & I was a little worried that if we'd needed other players in the 4th it could have been difficult as they wouldn't have been up with the level of the game but the strategy certainly worked. Slightly disappointing that only one British player saw minutes but that will be 2 when Justin finally returns & if that's what we need to do to qualify for the next stage, then so be it. Onwards to the game next Wednesday & hopefully this will help towards building a decent crowd at the Box. I agree with everything you've said. Although I'm not as optimistic as you that this'll increase the crowd at the Copper Box next week. I fear the crowd might be a little embarrassing on a European stage. Hopefully I'm wrong. But what are your concerns about Kelley? I'll admit he's no Teague, Reese or Washburn, but I'd probably rate him 4th after them last night. 9 points in 22 mins is pretty decent by my standards. Or is it just that you were expecting a little more from him? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 11:22:20 GMT
For those that don’t know, FIBA Europe is pretty much the least standard of European competition and even if Lions won the whole thing, no one on the real basketball universe would care. Let alone punters as you say over here. So whether it’s £27 or £5 per ticket, this level and standard of basketball seems just not attractive to general audiences. Playing in an empty 6000 seat arena at this stage is just plain stupid. Isn’t there a 500-1000 seat gym around?? They would in the British market. And thats what matters. Im actually sure it would make national sports news. And its Europe Cup. Not FIBA Europe, which is the European branch of the world governing body. If you're going to preach sanctimony (despite saying you didnt know a bean when you apparently came here from the states), please get it right. Dude, I don’t need to be schooled on European ball. Maybe UK, but not Europe. Although I agree that the UK market, especially London, no one (other than posters here) really cares about whoever wins FIBA Europe Cup. It’s literally the bottom pan European competition. If you’re talking about competing, the women’s game is where the focus should be as they are doing things. |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 14, 2021 11:28:35 GMT
They would in the British market. And thats what matters. Im actually sure it would make national sports news. And its Europe Cup. Not FIBA Europe, which is the European branch of the world governing body. If you're going to preach sanctimony (despite saying you didnt know a bean when you apparently came here from the states), please get it right. Dude, I don’t need to be schooled on European ball. Maybe UK, but not Europe. Although I agree that the UK market, especially London, no one (other than posters here) really cares about whoever wins FIBA Europe Cup. It’s literally the bottom pan European competition. If you’re talking about competing, the women’s game is where the focus should be as they are doing things. Except, going by your logic, isn't the FIBA EuroCup also 'literally the bottom pan European competition' in women's basketball after the EuroLeage? |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 14, 2021 11:30:31 GMT
They would in the British market. And thats what matters. Im actually sure it would make national sports news. And its Europe Cup. Not FIBA Europe, which is the European branch of the world governing body. If you're going to preach sanctimony (despite saying you didnt know a bean when you apparently came here from the states), please get it right. Dude, I don’t need to be schooled on European ball. Maybe UK, but not Europe. Although I agree that the UK market, especially London, no one (other than posters here) really cares about whoever wins FIBA Europe Cup. It’s literally the bottom pan European competition. If you’re talking about competing, the women’s game is where the focus should be as they are doing things. Id say the evidence speaks for itself as to whether you need "schooling" or not. |
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Post by saintpat on Oct 14, 2021 11:36:10 GMT
Fantastic win! I'm shocked & hugely delighted. Some nerves from both teams in the 1st quarter & Lions missed some easy buckets but holding any team to 13 is a decent start. 2nd quarter the shots started to drop for Lions & their intensity level on defence stepped up, Donar like Lions were missing some open shots in the 1st quarter but 2nd quarter(& subsequent) they had very few easy looks. Lions have come out very sluggish in the 3rd recently but not tonight, continued to push hard & create some space for themselves. Not many transition baskets but we kept control of the ball quite well. The most pleasing quarter was the 4th. Donar started to reduce the deficit at the end of the 3rd & continued to exert more pressure on Lions at the stat of the 4th, Donar's crowd finally woke up & Donar pressed even harder. It would have been easy for an inexperienced European team like Lions to fold at this moment but Lions held their nerve & dug really deep to stem the tide & slowly turn it round & silence the crowd. Yes they were helped by an injury to Donar's big guy who Lions couldn't cope with inside but take nothing away from this team & a monumental win. Washburn was excellent throughout defensively & looked like he could have played all night. Teague came good after a very poor 1st game & improved as the game went on as he relaxed more & stopped trying too hard, he can certainly shoot & handle the ball well & with him & Reese playing it was difficult for Donar to decide who they should be concentrating on. I'm still concerned about Kelley but hey we won & he played decent minutes. Jordan Williams looked far happier than in the 1st game & played some very valuable minutes. Yes, we didn't share the minutes around much, basically 7 players & I was a little worried that if we'd needed other players in the 4th it could have been difficult as they wouldn't have been up with the level of the game but the strategy certainly worked. Slightly disappointing that only one British player saw minutes but that will be 2 when Justin finally returns & if that's what we need to do to qualify for the next stage, then so be it. Onwards to the game next Wednesday & hopefully this will help towards building a decent crowd at the Box. I agree with everything you've said. Although I'm not as optimistic as you that this'll increase the crowd at the Copper Box next week. I fear the crowd might be a little embarrassing on a European stage. Hopefully I'm wrong. But what are your concerns about Kelley? I'll admit he's no Teague, Reese or Washburn, but I'd probably rate him 4th after them last night. 9 points in 22 mins is pretty decent by my standards. Or is it just that you were expecting a little more from him? It's not his offensive skills so much (although he could be more consistent with his shooting, ha can't always rely on dunks alone) but his defensive work. He seems constantly pulled out of position & can't guard big inside men, he's 7' yet doesn't protect the basket except with the occasional block, which he sometimes ruins by touching the backboard. Delpeche has made him look poor twice & the big guy from Donar was having a field day at one point. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 13:02:21 GMT
Dude, I don’t need to be schooled on European ball. Maybe UK, but not Europe. Although I agree that the UK market, especially London, no one (other than posters here) really cares about whoever wins FIBA Europe Cup. It’s literally the bottom pan European competition. If you’re talking about competing, the women’s game is where the focus should be as they are doing things. Well, the claim that they should play in a 500/1000 seater venue suggests you do need educating. As does the unnecessary use of the word "literally". Your reasoning earlier in thread suggests that only winning EuroLeague would be enough for you. That does fit in with virtually every post you've made about Lions on here - whatever they do will never be good enough. Bearing that in mind, and the fact that you won't reveal what your obvious issue with them (and most of British basketball) is, you may as well leave us all in peace. Dude. |
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