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Post by LTFan on Oct 21, 2021 19:46:33 GMT
Some of the numbers being bandied about in this thread are comical. 176... 264. So specific! As if it's possible to count, to a man, the exact number of people in attendance at a game. Even one as poorly attended as this. Regardless of what the exact figure was, I think it's fair to say that when you resort to giving tickets away for free the day before, in an attempt to spare your blushes, and you still only get enough people through the door to just about fill one ten row sideline stand, you've not had a great time of it. Lions might be able to get a few more in next week without cutting prices. Bayreuth should be a much better opposition. You can advertise that one as a 'MASSIVE, not to be missed, top of the table clash... against a German Bundesliga team... featuring a former NBA draft pick.' That might persuade a few more to turn up. Lions continuing to win games should definitely help a bit too. But if they don't budge on their pricing, I think they'll probably be looking at a similarly poor turnout. West Ham playing at home on the same night at the same time, I can't see many fans. This was their best opportunity to get a crowd given its half term. It’s half term next week too… more and more schools are having a 2 week half term in October - this week and next, but for those still only taking 1 week it’ll be next week they’re off. I agree with everything else though. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 21, 2021 20:05:19 GMT
Thats bold - how far are you going back here? Ooh about 4 years. Maybe 14 See I like him - versatile, long, can pass dribble and shoot. Good fit for the way that London team play I think. Carried Sheffield when he was there. Going all the way back to 14 - my memory makes the years roll into one to be honest but I cant really rememeber anyone I've been more excited to watch than Crandall since Andre Smith. Fletch maybe. |
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Oct 21, 2021 20:54:54 GMT
Ooh about 4 years. Maybe 14 See I like him - versatile, long, can pass dribble and shoot. Good fit for the way that London team play I think. Carried Sheffield when he was there. Going all the way back to 14 - my memory makes the years roll into one to be honest but I cant really rememeber anyone I've been more excited to watch than Crandall since Andre Smith. Fletch maybe. Andre Smith, he was very very good,just the one season I think. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 21, 2021 21:12:49 GMT
See I like him - versatile, long, can pass dribble and shoot. Good fit for the way that London team play I think. Carried Sheffield when he was there. Going all the way back to 14 - my memory makes the years roll into one to be honest but I cant really rememeber anyone I've been more excited to watch than Crandall since Andre Smith. Fletch maybe. Andre Smith, he was very very good,just the one season I think. I know first hand - weve not seen a better big man here since. Led scoring in Turkey and Italys top flight after the BBL too. |
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Post by Steven McTowelie on Oct 22, 2021 15:35:43 GMT
West Ham playing at home on the same night at the same time, I can't see many fans. This was their best opportunity to get a crowd given its half term. I remember you mentioning it now but I'd completely forgotten about the West Ham game. That does indeed sound like a major obstacle to getting fans through the door. Not sure what the best approach would be for next week with that in mind? Eat a massive slice of humble pie, slash prices for this one, push the game hard on all social media platforms for the next five days and see where that gets you? Decide that few are likely to buy regardless, keep prices where they are and resort to last minute freebies again to make the attendance look a bit more respectable? Or just accept that you'll be playing in front of a few hundred die hards and probably no one else? |
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Post by drivethebody on Oct 22, 2021 18:58:23 GMT
West Ham playing at home on the same night at the same time, I can't see many fans. This was their best opportunity to get a crowd given its half term. I remember you mentioning it now but I'd completely forgotten about the West Ham game. That does indeed sound like a major obstacle to getting fans through the door. Not sure what the best approach would be for next week with that in mind? Eat a massive slice of humble pie, slash prices for this one, push the game hard on all social media platforms for the next five days and see where that gets you? Decide that few are likely to buy regardless, keep prices where they are and resort to last minute freebies again to make the attendance look a bit more respectable? Or just accept that you'll be playing in front of a few hundred die hards and probably no one else? I’m not sure there’s a “few hundred die hards ’ Probably 10 long term fans (yes you Saintpat 👋🏽) and 20 or so local ballers who get freebies and then school parties and the tourist visiting crowd. What London really need is a hardcore few hundred fans like Riders/Eagles/Worcester who they can rely o - not just a few hundred passing tourists. How the marketing team haven’t targeted that is their biggest error |
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Post by saintpat on Oct 22, 2021 23:41:37 GMT
I remember you mentioning it now but I'd completely forgotten about the West Ham game. That does indeed sound like a major obstacle to getting fans through the door. Not sure what the best approach would be for next week with that in mind? Eat a massive slice of humble pie, slash prices for this one, push the game hard on all social media platforms for the next five days and see where that gets you? Decide that few are likely to buy regardless, keep prices where they are and resort to last minute freebies again to make the attendance look a bit more respectable? Or just accept that you'll be playing in front of a few hundred die hards and probably no one else? I’m not sure there’s a “few hundred die hards ’ Probably 10 long term fans (yes you Saintpat 👋🏽) and 20 or so local ballers who get freebies and then school parties and the tourist visiting crowd. What London really need is a hardcore few hundred fans like Riders/Eagles/Worcester who they can rely o - not just a few hundred passing tourists. How the marketing team haven’t targeted that is their biggest error DTB isn't too far off. I reckon there's somewhere between 30-50 season ticket holders this season & I think any season ticket holder can be classed as a die-hard fan. Then there's probably 200-300 who visit a few times a season, at least up until this season, it's early days but it's nowhere near that number so far. The rest are either freebies or people who come along because they think it might be a good night out. Unfortunately with no deals for tickets & until recently a complete lack of any real promotion of the club in any form of media there's very limited numbers. So far there's no interaction with the fans, no meeting the players, no cheerleaders, no half time entertainment & absolutely no merchandise to buy at the games, which given the complete change in logo/kit gives absolutely no identity to the club for the new fans. How can you possibly grab the attention of new fans when they have absolutely nothing & no one to identify with? There has been so little marketing that it's like they want to keep everything secret. Hopefully it will improve very soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 8:34:03 GMT
From talking to a couple of people. I think it's a case of believing the adage that "build it any they will come". That might work in the States, it would work for a football team (at virtually any level) in England, but it won't for basketball in the UK - especially at their prices.
It's a shame that the half-term European game clashes with the Hammers playing Citeh Reserves, it was a perfect opportunity to do a £20 family ticket with further incentives for future games.
The lack of merch is baffling, though.
I'm a website kinda' guy, has the social media improved? I think they've harmed themselves by getting so many people's backs up with that
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 9:23:19 GMT
From talking to a couple of people. I think it's a case of believing the adage that "build it any they will come". That might work in the States, it would work for a football team (at virtually any level) in England, but it won't for basketball in the UK - especially at their prices. It's a shame that the half-term European game clashes with the Hammers playing Citeh Reserves, it was a perfect opportunity to do a £20 family ticket with further incentives for future games. The lack of merch is baffling, though. I'm a website kinda' guy, has the social media improved? I think they've harmed themselves by getting so many people's backs up with that So maybe I wasn’t taking the piss in my assessment of Lions? Either they are laundering money or the just don’t have a clue. Either way, this won’t end well. Tick..tick….tick….. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 9:28:28 GMT
i take it you understand that statement is potentially libellous and leaves both you abd the moderators open to legal action?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 9:49:01 GMT
i take it you understand that statement is potentially libellous and leaves both you abd the moderators open to legal action? Really? It’s an opinion and by that logic you would have been sued many time over for some of things you’ve said about people on this board. |
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Post by retsek on Oct 23, 2021 9:59:12 GMT
See I like him - versatile, long, can pass dribble and shoot. Good fit for the way that London team play I think. Carried Sheffield when he was there. Going all the way back to 14 - my memory makes the years roll into one to be honest but I cant really rememeber anyone I've been more excited to watch than Crandall since Andre Smith. Fletch maybe. Andre Smith, he was very very good,just the one season I think. Lead the league in rebounds and 3 point FG percentage, not sure that's ever been done before or after. Definitely one of the BBL's better players, shame we only got 1 year. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 10:04:29 GMT
i take it you understand that statement is potentially libellous and leaves both you abd the moderators open to legal action? Really? It’s an opinion and by that logic you would have been sued many time over for some of things you’ve said about people on this board. you clearly have absolutely no idea of how libel works. it's one thing to say i think you're an idiot (you are) it's another to say i think you're engaging in criminal activity. i take it you have proof of ypur accusation? |
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Post by sil on Oct 23, 2021 21:10:08 GMT
That's not libel. For heaven's sake, why do people bandy about legal words as if they know what they are talking about?
Source: I am a solicitor. Easy to say that on an anonymous message board, but I am.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 21:27:41 GMT
If you don't think a suggestion that someone is committing a criminal act isn't libellous I wouldn't employ you as my lawyer. This might come as a shock but they cover libel on journalism courses, as well. If I ever get a parking ticket, I'll contact you. But only if Dave or Chris are busy.
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Post by casualhook on Oct 23, 2021 21:50:43 GMT
So got an Email through that anyone who had a ticket for the last game gets in for £11 this time which is a positive
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Post by sil on Oct 23, 2021 23:15:50 GMT
If you don't think a suggestion that someone is committing a criminal act isn't libellous I wouldn't employ you as my lawyer. This might come as a shock but they cover libel on journalism courses, as well. If I ever get a parking ticket, I'll contact you. But only if Dave or Chris are busy. Well, libel hasn't been a criminal act since 12 January 2010. www.pressgazette.co.uk/criminal-libel-and-sedition-offences-abolished/I assumed you were referring to the remaining civil cause of action under the defamation act, but even that wouldn't apply... Defamation Act 2013 Section 1 (1)A statement is not defamatory unless its publication has caused or is likely to cause serious harm to the reputation of the claimant. (2)For the purposes of this section, harm to the reputation of a body that trades for profit is not “serious harm” unless it has caused or is likely to cause the body serious financial loss. Literally no chance that random comment above is likely to cause [777] serious financial loss. Let me know if you get any parking tickets  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 1:41:36 GMT
i didn't say libel was a criminal act.
I'm sure a good lawyer would advise his/her client not to make baseless claims against a multi million pound operation. I'm equally sure this board's owners would agree, even if the moderators have given up.
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Post by sil on Oct 24, 2021 9:56:25 GMT
That particular post is in no way likely to cause serious financial harm to the people running the Lions, so it's not libel.
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Post by LTFan on Oct 26, 2021 14:19:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 10:02:05 GMT
You going today Spag? I'm down there for both games. Hoping to meet DTB (he met me once, apparently, so he knows me - in the same way I know LBJ, I guess) or Dunkster, though he'll be gone by half-time I guess.
I think Linos getting one of two would be a decent night's work. i think both could still qualify even without a win today.
It's just occurred to me if you married Minute Bol (or Bol Bol, for that matter) and took his name, you'd be Spag Bol. Sorry.
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Post by davef on Oct 27, 2021 11:17:54 GMT
Hmm. Not sure the legal side of this is quite that straightforward
Whilst for a company to being an action there would need to be serious financial harm that would not be the test were an individual wanting to bring an action.
Then it would simply come down to serious harm to reputation.
The test would be whether there are any identifiable individuals here (ie people involved with 777 partners). Certainly if I was a director of 777 and was being accused publicly of money laundering I would be speaking to my lawyers.
In any event the suggestion on a public forum is incredibly unwise and lacking judgment at the very least.
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Post by LTFan on Oct 27, 2021 11:38:10 GMT
So, the game....
I'm looking forward to this. Certainly Bayreuth are the biggest challenge Lions will face in this first round of the competition.
I'd categorise them as an average Bundesliga team, but in my books any Bundesliga team is likely better than a BBL team. Of course this isn't strictly speaking 'the BBL's London Lions'. This is 'London Lions+'. Maybe that added extra is enough to compete at a Bundesliga level, or at least at an 'average Bundesliga' level. We shall see...
I win tonight isn't necessarily needed for Lions to qualify for the next round, but it would put a lot of pressure on the remaining games.
Regarding tickets... I've seen those who purchased full price tickets last week can purchase tickets this week for less than half price. Also, as part of a half term offer, kids tickets are free with a purchased adult ticket. I still don't think this is enough, but it something I suppose.
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Post by casualhook on Oct 27, 2021 12:26:31 GMT
Looks like 300 + however many bought through eventbrite, so a big improvement on last week, could get a good crowd pretty quickly if they actually advertised and sorted the prices
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 13:57:04 GMT
Hmm. Not sure the legal side of this is quite that straightforward Whilst for a company to being an action there would need to be serious financial harm that would not be the test were an individual wanting to bring an action. Then it would simply come down to serious harm to reputation. The test would be whether there are any identifiable individuals here (ie people involved with 777 partners). Certainly if I was a director of 777 and was being accused publicly of money laundering I would be speaking to my lawyers. In any event the suggestion on a public forum is incredibly unwise and lacking judgment at the very least. Well quite. Maybe Dunkster could provide some information how this works. Because I'm not sure if can given how little "normal" income they have. |
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