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Post by faz on Feb 8, 2016 0:03:59 GMT
Someone was telling me that England basketball were re thinking the structure for next year. Just wondered whether anyone else had heard this and how you think it should be restructured?
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Post by youngrocks on Feb 8, 2016 2:12:03 GMT
does this restructure not happen every year? seems to be always getting spoken about.
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Post by faz on Feb 8, 2016 3:26:41 GMT
I've only followed the junior leagues for 3 years. Last year was the first restructure that I know off. Before that i don't know
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Post by interestedridersfan on Feb 8, 2016 7:47:43 GMT
They've only just changed all the agegroups this season
Not sure what any new changes would be?
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Post by Thunder9 on Feb 8, 2016 12:22:05 GMT
I think it has something to do with the merger from next season and how they are going to incorporate teams from Scotland into a UK wide National League
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Post by hoopmasterfunk on Feb 8, 2016 14:38:32 GMT
Whatever happens I hope everyones views are taken into consideration. Coaches/Players/Parents/Facility Managers
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 21:28:00 GMT
I'd have thought they could only involve Scottish at the playoff stage. Even then there could be teams pulling out because of cost issues.
as for the senior leagues, we haven't heard a word. I'm sure we'll be consulted just after a final decision is made. I think several D1 sides would drop down rather than face trips to Scotland.
As an aside, shouldn't this bit of the board be called British Basketball?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 21:35:39 GMT
Re the board title: Probably. We'd toyed with a couple of ideas for boards before settling on bbl and nba.
It's looking like there may be an appetite for more British basketball than just the bbl. Happy to hear anyone's thoughts on that.
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Post by youngrocks on Feb 9, 2016 0:38:02 GMT
league structure underneath the pro league will be interesting once the merger happens. cross border cups. though as hersey said some teams can't really afford that. hopefully the correct consultation takes place as like most sports the clubs always seem to be left out
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Post by interestedridersfan on Feb 9, 2016 1:51:44 GMT
Re the board title: Probably. We'd toyed with a couple of ideas for boards before settling on bbl and nba. It's looking like there may be an appetite for more British basketball than just the bbl. Happy to hear anyone's thoughts on that. Keep junior stuff on here. Some of it (not all) is of interest to BBL fans And it was lost and never hardly got any comments when it had its own section Plenty on here can give opinion on getting more juniors interested in the game I think |
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Post by weride on Feb 9, 2016 8:58:13 GMT
my son has played national league for several years now. the games all used to be within a reasonable distance until last year. last year his team traveled from Leicester to Newcastle, in a old minibus. as a parent i like to support our team and travel with them as much as possible but last season a lot of teams pulled out of the league due to travel costs and distance of other teams. i appreciate we need the league to be competitive, but not many parents are willing to give up a whole day at the weekend for basketball.
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Post by bluesuedeshoes on Feb 9, 2016 10:51:05 GMT
my son has played national league for several years now. the games all used to be within a reasonable distance until last year. last year his team traveled from Leicester to Newcastle, in a old minibus. as a parent i like to support our team and travel with them as much as possible but last season a lot of teams pulled out of the league due to travel costs and distance of other teams. i appreciate we need the league to be competitive, but not many parents are willing to give up a whole day at the weekend for basketball. Here in a nutshell is why elite Junior Basketball should be played on a national basis. The best teams play each other whatever the location. If that does not suit you then play local league and do not enter national competitions. Parents are a major factor in lowering standards because they have an interest in their child, not the progress of the game. Of course parent help is needed but not to the detriment of a club or the game.
No coincidence that the same few programmes win everything year after year because they are prepared to do whatever it takes, not what is convenient. Kids and parents know this when they sign up. In fact it is possibly because of this that they sign up.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Feb 9, 2016 12:52:58 GMT
One of the key factors behind the success of most (not all) sportsmen/women are the parents
It applies to some sports more than others
Just the capability to get their kids to the training and matches for their chosen sport is a start
But lots more intangibles
I travel length and breadth of UK to help my kids with their sporting ambitions
But lot more to it than that
I know the famous tennis coach Bolletieri was once asked the key things he looks for in a young tennis player
Number one on his list was "the parents"
Hell of a lot of commitment and expenditure needed from parents in that sport for example
Basketball - lower down the need for parent support but still needed - unless a coach will act as a surrogate parent so to speak
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Post by interestedridersfan on Feb 9, 2016 12:54:08 GMT
Some good debate on here already
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Post by weride on Feb 9, 2016 16:45:27 GMT
my son has played national league for several years now. the games all used to be within a reasonable distance until last year. last year his team traveled from Leicester to Newcastle, in a old minibus. as a parent i like to support our team and travel with them as much as possible but last season a lot of teams pulled out of the league due to travel costs and distance of other teams. i appreciate we need the league to be competitive, but not many parents are willing to give up a whole day at the weekend for basketball. Here in a nutshell is why elite Junior Basketball should be played on a national basis. The best teams play each other whatever the location. If that does not suit you then play local league and do not enter national competitions. Parents are a major factor in lowering standards because they have an interest in their child, not the progress of the game. Of course parent help is needed but not to the detriment of a club or the game.
No coincidence that the same few programmes win everything year after year because they are prepared to do whatever it takes, not what is convenient. Kids and parents know this when they sign up. In fact it is possibly because of this that they sign up.
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Post by hoopmasterfunk on Feb 9, 2016 16:47:40 GMT
I coach, I won't say where..
But Parents are the BEST and WORST thing about Junior Sports..
Some are fantastic and support the coach's every action...
Some have no clue and force their child into difficult situations because of their lack of understanding on how to support young people in sport..
I have had parents threaten to move players away from my club just because they don't feel that their child is getting enough court time or feel like their child is too good for the club.. Parents gossiping about one another and their children.. Honestly some parents are an absolutely nightmare...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 17:05:30 GMT
Of course parents have a part to play, but so do the clubs and the national association. Some parents aren't interested, simply don't have the money to drive their kid up and down the country,
"The best teams play each other whatever the location. If that does not suit you then play local league and do not enter national competitions." Doesn't help the kids who are good enough to play on a national basis. The National Association (whatever it's called this year/week/month) needs to ensure that the most talented kids get the opportunity to play at the appropriate level regardless of their parents' wealth or level of interest. FWIW, I don't think sitting on a mini bus from Leicester to Newcastle is the end of the world, if the kid ends up playing D1-3 that will be his/her life every other weekend. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Feb 9, 2016 17:34:14 GMT
I coach, I won't say where.. But Parents are the BEST and WORST thing about Junior Sports.. Some are fantastic and support the coach's every action... Some have no clue and force their child into difficult situations because of their lack of understanding on how to support young people in sport.. I have had parents threaten to move players away from my club just because they don't feel that their child is getting enough court time or feel like their child is too good for the club.. Parents gossiping about one another and their children.. Honestly some parents are an absolutely nightmare... Totally agree with this and totally sympathise with you On the other hand some parents by being pushy achieve opportunities for their kids others don't get close too I have a son and daughter who are involved in elite sport. For a parent to step away and leave the child entirely in hands of a coach takes one hell of a coach for the parents to trust. I speak from experience. Just because someone is a coach doesn't necessarily mean they are the best person to guide your child. If you fall lucky they are. I've seen some brilliant coaches and I've seen some very poor ones. Even within the same club. Pushiest parent in sport would be considered Richard Williams. The coaches of his young daughters used to hate the guy tbh. But he achieved potentially the greatest sporting success of the last decades through being the most pushy, overbearing parent you could find in sport. So it's swings and roundabouts in many ways. At lower level grassroot sport I feel it would be better for parents to be less involved and leave it to the coach but when a player reaches elite type level in their sport I'm pretty sure parents have to search out opportunities for their kids. Hard to get the balance. I've never coached but I scout for young sporting talent (football) for a pro club. I've seen awful awful behaviour by parents and also many times by coaches as well on the sidelines. There's a lot wrong with junior sport in that respect. Just started to get involved in junior national league basketball and I've already seen some out of order coaching from the sidelines (abusing the refs) and parenting (abusing the refs) So even the coaches don't always show respect Exact same as grassroots football It's a shame but that's how it is |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Feb 9, 2016 17:37:04 GMT
Of course parents have a part to play, but so do the clubs and the national association. Some parents aren't interested, simply don't have the money to drive their kid up and down the country,
"The best teams play each other whatever the location. If that does not suit you then play local league and do not enter national competitions." Doesn't help the kids who are good enough to play on a national basis. The National Association (whatever it's called this year/week/month) needs to ensure that the most talented kids get the opportunity to play at the appropriate level regardless of their parents' wealth or level of interest. FWIW, I don't think sitting on a mini bus from Leicester to Newcastle is the end of the world, if the kid ends up playing D1-3 that will be his/her life every other weekend. Kids have to do it in other sports for sure (and worse) if they get to that level |
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Post by foxprorawks on Feb 9, 2016 18:56:25 GMT
league structure underneath the pro league will be interesting once the merger happens. cross border cups. though as hersey said some teams can't really afford that. hopefully the correct consultation takes place as like most sports the clubs always seem to be left out Indeed. I'm club secretary at a basketball club in Cumbernauld, and our cadette, junior and senior women teams all play in Scottish Division 1 National League. I'm assuming that this "merger" only concerns male teams because this thread is the first I've heard of it... On the subject of parents at sports clubs, has anyone seen the documentary Trophy Kids on Netflix? Here is an edited version of it (I'm pretty sure the version on Netflix is longer). |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Feb 9, 2016 19:03:03 GMT
I've seen that show
Some bad examples on there for sure
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 21:46:16 GMT
A good coach is invaluable. Especially at a young impressionable age. I have seen it first hand with my children. But also its horses for courses. A good coach for some people is not necessarily a good coach for others. It's not one size fits all with coaching. That said I have seen a very talented kids coach who has passion and the ability to adapt his approach depending on the mind process of the kids he's coaching.
I've seen my lad want to give up completely because of one coach. Thankfully another coach has realised and picked up the pieces. The junior game in this country is worthy of debate and support on this site imo
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Post by interestedridersfan on Feb 9, 2016 22:47:54 GMT
A good coach is invaluable. Especially at a young impressionable age. I have seen it first hand with my children. But also its horses for courses. A good coach for some people is not necessarily a good coach for others. It's not one size fits all with coaching. That said I have seen a very talented kids coach who has passion and the ability to adapt his approach depending on the mind process of the kids he's coaching. I've seen my lad want to give up completely because of one coach. Thankfully another coach has realised and picked up the pieces. The junior game in this country is worthy of debate and support on this site imo Great post |
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Post by faz on Feb 9, 2016 23:49:47 GMT
What do you think of the changes made last year? I guess an awful lot depends on what age group your lads are playing at. Mine plays for an under 13 age team in the under 14 North west development league. It's been a very good league with 14 teams so games most weekends. The standard has been more even than last year with the better under 14 s playing in the premier league. In that respect I think the changes made last year have proved beneficial, there are 2 very talented teams from Manchester who have been beaten by size and not ability. From what I've seen it hasn't affected their spirit and despite England badketball getting the proposed under 12 s horribly wrong I'm not sure they those teams would have benefitted as much in an under 12 league.
I was against the changes initially but think in hindsight they were for he better.
How you work out who should play premier league next year interests me
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Post by interestedridersfan on Feb 9, 2016 23:54:16 GMT
What do you think of the changes made last year? I guess an awful lot depends on what age group your lads are playing at. Mine plays for an under 13 age team in the under 14 North west development league. It's been a very good league with 14 teams so games most weekends. The standard has been more even than last year with the better under 14 s playing in the premier league. In that respect I think the changes made last year have proved beneficial, there are 2 very talented teams from Manchester who have been beaten by size and not ability. From what I've seen it hasn't affected their spirit and despite England badketball getting the proposed under 12 s horribly wrong I'm not sure they those teams would have benefitted as much in an under 12 league. I was against the changes initially but think in hindsight they were for he better. How you work out who should play premier league next year interests me My son plays in under 12s team and also in the same clubs under 14s league team. It's one of the development under 14 leagues. Next year they will have two teams. One will be under 14s and one will be under 13s playing a year up Playing in under 14s a couple of years under age certainly makes him a better and stronger player and is a good challenge. Faz how much difference is there between teams in the development league and the premier league at under 14s. Is it a big gulf? Should add they have a great coach who is incredibly dedicated to junior basketball. He is also his sports coach at school and is putting a great school team together. They all play and train loads of time together each week. 8 hours plus a week. Age 12. |
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