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Post by simon glover on Nov 12, 2016 13:21:14 GMT
do you think link ups with soccer clubs could help grow basketball here inthe uk. for example in europe bayern munich barcelona real madrid benfica porto fenabarche olympiakos and others have their own basketball teams
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Post by Guest on Nov 12, 2016 13:43:05 GMT
No. Manchester United, Portsmouth, Rangers, Newcastle United (I feel like I've missed one) all tried and failed. Although Bristol is one example where at the minute it seems to be working.
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Post by Guest2 on Nov 12, 2016 13:58:38 GMT
No. Manchester United, Portsmouth, Rangers, Newcastle United (I feel like I've missed one) all tried and failed. Although Bristol is one example where at the minute it seems to be working. Everton? |
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Post by D on Nov 12, 2016 13:58:39 GMT
You've missed Everton.
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Post by connors on Nov 12, 2016 14:29:30 GMT
I've always been fascinated by the Sporting Club approach that is very prevalent in Spain but also other European countries. I have no idea though how close the ties really are and what level of involvement the uber rich footie clubs have.
Certainly it seems like Barcelona, Real and CSKA seem very closely linked but I'm sure there are plenty of others as well.
If a footie club in this country acted as a true benefactor to a basketball team then that teams financial power would be huge.
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Post by Guest on Nov 12, 2016 14:58:07 GMT
Doh yes Everton of course!!! Whilst they would have big spending power, it rarely takes long for footie fans to go 'why are we wasting all this money on a basketball team when we need a left back!'
That is usually the beginning of the end.
Perhaps Newcastle was the only true sporting club, John Hall based it on the Barca model, with football, basketball, rugby and ice hockey (did they have a motor racing team as well?)
The problem was putting other sports in black and white stripes doesn't mean people will support them. I think they had issues with upsetting the existing fan bases too (particularly rugby) so basically it was just a big waste of football club money and they soon stopped.
Ironically the basketball team has gotten bigger and better ever since
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 15:16:36 GMT
The whole sports club model works elsewhere because Basketball is as much as big a sport as football is in some places. They also have the die hards who'll follow anything their club does and there are major rivalries across the sports.
It sadly wouldn't work here as there is no connection between sports in this country.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 12, 2016 16:08:19 GMT
You often get boxers now who try to piggy back off the fans of the local team
Froch used to pretend to be a Forest fan and have the Forest tree on his shorts just to get more local fans behind him
Bellew at Everton doing the same now and coming out to the same tune that the team come out to
Not an official link of course but it's a good way of picking up fans as you progress in the sport
If an owner of a football club is wealthy enough then funding other sports for that club I think is a nice idea
The Forest owner wouldn't even continue funding the Forest ladies football team!!
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Post by Space Jammer on Nov 12, 2016 19:28:05 GMT
I like this idea and often wondered it itself and would love this justice league idea to work for the Eagles however I don't think it is possible.
For starter eventhough the basketball and maybe the rugby or ice hockey team get alot of money from it what would the football team get out of it money wise???
As much as an idea like this would really help teams like the Giants out who could be linked with either Man Utd or Man City I doubt the fat cat football clubs care about B ball and are more focused in wining the premier league trophy so therefore spending all their money like a cash cow on strong imports like Man U does regularly as soon as their team gets an embrassing result in order to steer the ship back on course.
Plus as much as I like seeing Fc Bayern Munich or Fc Barcelona basketball linked I don't think I'd be all for Fc Newcastle Utd basketball as much as the name the Newcastle Eagles.
And at the end of the day it will be the football team with the most money so therefore holding the most power over the deal.
If for argument sake Newcastle got to the quarter finals of the Euro Cup then the football team breaks the deal then what happens with the financial situation then it could ruin this team as well as the other clubs in the arrangement too.
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Post by faz on Nov 12, 2016 21:11:39 GMT
Personally don't want my basketball team compromised by those over paid football players from clubs who outrageously rip their fan base off. Loved the sport for years Got divorced big time and love my new wife: ball!!!
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Post by r33 on Nov 12, 2016 21:42:56 GMT
I work with an Olympiacos fan. He travels all over Europe with a London supporters' club, to Champions League home and away games, but also Euroleague, water polo, women's volleyball... he knows everything about Olympiacos basketball and their recent opponents but doesn't watch any other basketball. You'd need to go back 50 years and create that kind of fan culture for the sporting club idea to work here.
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Post by Guest on Nov 12, 2016 23:17:41 GMT
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Post by commanderpanda on Nov 13, 2016 0:43:58 GMT
It certainly makes sense from one perspective. Football/Rugby/Cricket support is geographically based usually, and while there are other factors at play such as religious or family tradition, typically they aren't as important. One generally supports one's local team. Therefore it makes sense that if local team is a local club, the other sports they participate in would also be supported.
However, this isn't the case because typically it's a football or rugby town and that's the only game in town. At least in the Northwest. Bolton is Football, Wigan is Rugby. That's that. No room for basketball (or ice hockey or whatever for that fact).
If Basketball were the second most popular sport, as it is in Spain or Greece, then no doubt we probably would have Sporting Clubs. As it stands Football and Rugby have it sewn up. Add to the antagonism between the different football codes and you have one sport clubs.
Perhaps trying to amalgamate the smaller sports into a Sporting Club might be better than trying to change 100+ years of traditional football or rugby clubs. The disparate requirements might put an end to this idea.
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Post by Captain koala on Nov 13, 2016 0:53:14 GMT
It certainly makes sense from one perspective. Football/Rugby/Cricket support is geographically based usually, and while there are other factors at play such as religious or family tradition, typically they aren't as important. Not been up to glasgow have you? The jocks have made an art form of religious stupidity. Geography ain't in it. |
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Post by commanderpanda on Nov 13, 2016 0:59:45 GMT
It certainly makes sense from one perspective. Football/Rugby/Cricket support is geographically based usually, and while there are other factors at play such as religious or family tradition, typically they aren't as important. Not been up to glasgow have you? The jocks have made an art form of religious stupidity. Geography ain't in it. Obviously the Old Firm is the major exception... |
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Post by spook on Nov 13, 2016 19:46:55 GMT
Sporting clubs work great in so many countries... and gives the 'smaller' sports in that country a chance to play in decent venues, facilities and so on.
There does tend to be a 'main sport' for the clubs.. but the smaller sports also get good coverage ... and I would love to be able to follow one team in various sports ...
It's sort of more of a 'family' ... and you would not necesarily always jump in the bandwagon to the current top footy team ;-)
One of my best experiences was when I did a project covering one sporting club for two weeks.. and went to about a different sport every night.
Football, handball, volleyball, basketball, ice hockey... men/women/juniors ....
Here in the UK - facilities would be something that would have to be first developed for this to take root (and maybe get few more sports to higher level).
As we basketball fans know... indoor facilities aren't the best here (improving yes - but still ways to go).
Here in football few of the Premier League teams that have teams in the FA WSL - have started to fund them much better in the recent years.
Man City being an example - with the Women now also getting pre-season in UAE and so on... plus the players are getting better wages and training facilities.
So - maybe that could be the first step... just looking that little outside the Men's top flight footy in a club.. and seeing where it can go.
But... where as the Sporting Club is a tradition in the continent and people are used to that model.... somehow I can't see the Brits adopting that, as mentioned earlier in this thread.. the name of the club means a lot to fans here - and sure some fans would boycott the team if the name changes.
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Post by number23 on Nov 15, 2016 13:30:17 GMT
Would Surrey Sports Park be considered to operate under a Sporting Club-style model? Don't they run teams for netball (Storm) and badminton (Smashers), in addition to basketball (Scorchers)?
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Post by inaminute23 on Nov 17, 2016 10:27:13 GMT
I think the the boat has been missed. Back in the 80's was time to capitalise, but the failings were all there too see and mistakes again were made in the 90's. The shift in sports culture in this country is huge! However, we need to look at the "11 minute" sport, for hope. Somebody has took a punt (no pun)on NFL and has made it huge in the UK. Ask yourself why. I have not researched this in any capacity, but it will ultimately come down to money and some "big wigs" in the media who want to showcase it.
I'll stand by this, until proven wrong. The only way we can grow this sport, domestically, is through money and the media. Look at Netball, ffs!!
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Post by Captain on Nov 17, 2016 11:29:20 GMT
Yes we certainly missed the boat for the multi-sports clubs in the 1980s, it's just a shame that the basketball teams at the time like Manchester United, Portsmouth FC and Glasgow Rangers didn't make an effort in that regard....
The reason NFL became popular in this country is a complete fluke of schedule. At a time when people when to the pub on a Sunday afternoon for reasons that didn't involve watching football (there was no football on tele at that point and pubs generally didn't have TVs anyway), they'd come home (cos bizarrely pubs closed during the day back then) and slump in front of the telly...now watch to watch?? Songs of Praise or this wacky game of rugby those crazy Americans call football on that new fangled Channel 4?
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Post by spaghettihoops on Nov 23, 2016 14:02:40 GMT
Personally don't want my basketball team compromised by those over paid football players from clubs who outrageously rip their fan base off. Loved the sport for years Got divorced big time and love my new wife: ball!!! Agree with that. Interesting thought though - what if it was a well-run lower league or non-league or fan-owned football club? |
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Post by faz on Nov 23, 2016 15:06:42 GMT
Personally don't want my basketball team compromised by those over paid football players from clubs who outrageously rip their fan base off. Loved the sport for years Got divorced big time and love my new wife: ball!!! Agree with that. Interesting thought though - what if it was a well-run lower league or non-league or fan-owned football club? Well put and i'm suspecting they aren't over paid or rip of their fan base. |
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Post by r33 on Nov 23, 2016 15:50:58 GMT
Most lower league football clubs are in mountains of debt! If it happened at the one I support there would be a fans' revolt....
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Post by notoriousbigz on Nov 23, 2016 16:42:32 GMT
Whilst they would have big spending power, it rarely takes long for footie fans to go 'why are we wasting all this money on a basketball team when we need a left back! That's exactly what happened with Everton, who were pumping circa 5x in per year to the club for what they paid for Seamus Coleman. |
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Nov 23, 2016 16:47:46 GMT
Whilst they would have big spending power, it rarely takes long for footie fans to go 'why are we wasting all this money on a basketball team when we need a left back! That's exactly what happened with Everton, who were pumping circa 5x in per year to the club for what they paid for Seamus Coleman. Wow! Didn't realise that they were paying you that much Bigz!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 17:46:19 GMT
Didn't the Basketball and football clubs in Chester work together for a while? How did it work out? I noticed the FC only got interested when they'd (again ) run out of money
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