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Post by LTFan on Dec 5, 2017 9:47:59 GMT
Have the goal tending rules changed this season? I think they have, I was watching (I think) a GB game last week and there was certainly some mention of a goal tending rules change this season by FIBA. But I can’t remember exactly what the change was... |
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Post by LTFan on Dec 5, 2017 9:51:34 GMT
Interesting thread. Ok, here’s one... in regards to the championship/league tables, why does a team get 2 points for a win?
In football it makes more sense – 2 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, 0 points for a loss. But in basketball I’m not aware of any outcome to a game that would see a team get 1 point. So why isn’t it just 1 point for a win and 0 points for a loss. What’s the purpose of awarding 2 points instead of 1?
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Post by fozzie on Dec 5, 2017 10:09:36 GMT
Interesting thread. Ok, here’s one... in regards to the championship/league tables, why does a team get 2 points for a win? In football it makes more sense – 2 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, 0 points for a loss. But in basketball I’m not aware of any outcome to a game that would see a team get 1 point. So why isn’t it just 1 point for a win and 0 points for a loss. What’s the purpose of awarding 2 points instead of 1? That's not a daft question- that's a great question |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Dec 5, 2017 10:11:58 GMT
Interesting thread. Ok, here’s one... in regards to the championship/league tables, why does a team get 2 points for a win? In football it makes more sense – 2 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, 0 points for a loss. But in basketball I’m not aware of any outcome to a game that would see a team get 1 point. So why isn’t it just 1 point for a win and 0 points for a loss. What’s the purpose of awarding 2 points instead of 1? That's not a daft question- that's a great question
Agreed. As such I refuse to answer it.
And that has nothing to do with the fact I have absolutely no idea why!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 12:32:47 GMT
Because winning the league with only.30 points would look **** compared the amount football teams win league's with is the only idea I've got
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Post by connors on Dec 5, 2017 14:42:45 GMT
I know in local leagues you often get 3 pts for a win and 1 pt for a loss but no points for defaulting. It may have something to do with that scenario. Equally I guess there could be scenarios set out in the leagues rules that allow the league in case of a dispute to allocate 1 pt to each team??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 15:33:16 GMT
The defaulting argument is interesting. I wonder if there are particular punishments which allow the league to dock teams points for certain infringements.
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Post by LTFan on Dec 5, 2017 16:00:08 GMT
I’m glad I asked the question now... was worried it was something obvious that I just didn’t know.
As for the ‘defaulting’ theory, it’s a good one, but only holds up if it’s 2 points for a win, 1 for a loss, and 0 for a default. That seems like a fair system too. But as FIBA rules don’t award any points for a loss then there’s still no reason for awarding 2 points for a win.
Giving the league the option to penalise a team a single point (for whatever reason) is also a good theory. But has it ever actually happened – i.e. has any FIBA rules following league ever had a team finish a season with an odd number of points?
I’ve done some Googling in search for an answer and the closest I can find is someone asking why the Olympics award 2 points for a win in basketball. And the answer is simply – because that’s what FIBA rules state and the Olympics copies them.
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Post by number23 on Dec 5, 2017 23:08:01 GMT
I've never understood the points-based system either - in a system where it's only possible to win or lose, it makes more sense to work from win/loss percentage. (Like ananalyticalobserver's league table thread.)
The 2-1-0 ratio to include forfeits makes a lot of sense for local/junior leagues, so it's the best explanation I've seen yet. I'd be surprised if it happened much in top-level competition though?
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Post by everard on Dec 6, 2017 10:27:01 GMT
FIBA rules
Art. 21 Game lost by default
21.1. Rule A team shall lose a game by default if, during the game, the team has fewer than 2 players on the playing court ready to play.
21.2. Penalty
21.2.1. If the team to which the game is awarded is ahead, the score shall stand as at the time when the game was stopped. If the team to which the game is awarded is not ahead, the score shall be recorded as 2 to 0 in its favour. The defaulting team shall receive 1 point in the classification.
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Post by LTFan on Dec 6, 2017 13:35:45 GMT
FIBA rules Art. 21 Game lost by default 21.1. Rule A team shall lose a game by default if, during the game, the team has fewer than 2 players on the playing court ready to play. 21.2. Penalty 21.2.1. If the team to which the game is awarded is ahead, the score shall stand as at the time when the game was stopped. If the team to which the game is awarded is not ahead, the score shall be recorded as 2 to 0 in its favour. The defaulting team shall receive 1 point in the classification. Interesting, so it is possible for a team to get 1 point for winning a game (in a very unlikely circumstance). I wonder if it’s actually ever happened in the BBL... |
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Post by saintpat on Dec 6, 2017 14:28:23 GMT
FIBA rules Art. 21 Game lost by default 21.1. Rule A team shall lose a game by default if, during the game, the team has fewer than 2 players on the playing court ready to play. 21.2. Penalty 21.2.1. If the team to which the game is awarded is ahead, the score shall stand as at the time when the game was stopped. If the team to which the game is awarded is not ahead, the score shall be recorded as 2 to 0 in its favour. The defaulting team shall receive 1 point in the noclassification. So, if you've only got 4 players on court & you're up, depending on how long left it might be better to get 2 more players ejected before you start losing, at least you'd get 1 point! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 18:30:48 GMT
That applies only when a team gets a point for losing. They get zero if they default before tip.
20 plus years ago losing teams in the nbl got a point for turning up. When it was dropped they kept 2 for a win. Teams have occasionally been docked a single point but generally it's an anachronism which is why I always refer to teams records (ie leopards are 4-2) rather than their points.
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