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Post by faz on Feb 18, 2018 1:21:21 GMT
You’re in the final fours half your team can’t make it? Your thoughts ?
I actually can see where nixette is coming from. May not be realistic but in the purest sense I think she’s got a point.
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Post by faz on Feb 18, 2018 1:32:49 GMT
You’re in the final fours half your team can’t make it? Your thoughts ? I actually can see where nixette is coming from. May not be realistic but in the purest sense I think she’s got a point. It’s not like football where games don’t clash. Actually when games don’t clash many players acrue injuries and don’t represent their country! |
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Post by nixette on Feb 18, 2018 1:45:54 GMT
Can’t believe what I’m reading. So you’d prefer devan, orlan and Raheem not to go? Are we devaluing playing for our cluntry that much? Should we expect these guys on below average wages to take a trip back To Worcester over an experience in the Gold Coast... come on now!!!!! Yes No it’s not a serious basketball competition. That’s why none of the best English players are going. As I said a jolly!! |
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Post by ananalyticalobserver on Feb 18, 2018 3:51:43 GMT
It is an officially recognized FIBA tournament and clubs are required to release players if selected, and the player wishes to accept that invite.
It would be a very small ,minded individual that would actually choose to prevent a player taking the chance to represent his country at a major international, multi sport, event. The England squad will include players from most of the BBL sides, so the impact on the clubs will be fairly even. For some players in the squad, it will be an opportunity to play with better players and receive a higher level of coaching than experienced at their clubs.
Qualification for the play-offs is based on a clubs results over ALL 33 games, and unless Cheshire have a very significant improvement in results in ALL their remaining games, they will miss the play-offs for the third successive season.
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Post by nixette on Feb 18, 2018 5:49:59 GMT
So if Dan Clark, Teddy Okereafor, Eric Boateng, Myles Hesson had been selected their clubs would have to release them?
The impact will not be even. Rocks?
3 of our starters will be massive. Small minded individual or passionate about my club?
I know our league form is below par but one result could make the difference. Failed to make play offs last year made the semi’s the previous year. Wished we’d narrowly got beaten by Eagles😋Would have saved watching the horror home leg vs Ruders.
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Post by ananalyticalobserver on Feb 18, 2018 6:40:16 GMT
Yes, under FIBA regulations, the players have to be released if selected.
I was referring to the selection of the England side. As Glasgow are the only side at BBL level in that country, and have the majority of Scottish BBL players, also, until his dismissal, the national team coach was involved with the club, it is understandable that Glasgow are providing more players to the Scotland team.
The players involved could have at any stage, after the invitations to the first training camp, have declined to be involved. However for most athletes the chance to represent their country at a major international event is a career highlight. Especially as for many of the squad it allows them access to higher quality coaching & support than at their BBL clubs.
Also the exposure of the game during the terrestrial tv coverage of the event will promote the game to a wider audience. Surely that has to benefit the sport in the UK?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 9:25:41 GMT
I'm with nixette. 3rd rate tournament the top players have no interest in.
I completely get why players would want to go - 3 weeks free in Australia seems highly preferable to the crap bbl wages.
Good luck to them, but it's not for me, and it seems a shame to deplete squads at a crucial time of the season.
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Post by blueskies99 on Feb 18, 2018 9:42:36 GMT
Just to muddy the waters even more....my understanding was that the players would go out two weeks before the opening game to acclimatise.
That means go out on March 21st.......and return after the finals on April 15th............that's 3.5 weeks.
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Post by number23 on Feb 18, 2018 14:49:01 GMT
It is an officially recognized FIBA tournament and clubs are required to release players if selected, and the player wishes to accept that invite. Thats certainly true for the likes of EuroBasket and the Olympics, but I’m not sure it’s as clear-cut for the Commonwealths? A few MVP articles have suggested that clubs aren’t obligated to release under current rules: www.mvp247.com/2017/11/england-bbl-commonwealths/The CGs are a minnow compared to the main FIBA tournaments, but I would think players would still be proud to be asked to represent their country in an international event (to say nothing of the travel!). For some, this may be as big as it gets. There’s also some opportunity for the sport to get a little TV time, as well as an opportunity to see some small success for our international teams, with England and Scotland holding genuine medal hopes. The organisation and impact on clubs needs to be managed better though, as it’s a mess. I imagine the clubs can’t take weeks off as the WBBL are doing, though. |
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Post by nixette on Feb 18, 2018 20:58:50 GMT
Just to muddy the waters even more....my understanding was that the players would go out two weeks before the opening game to acclimatise. That means go out on March 21st.......and return after the finals on April 15th............that's 3.5 weeks. For Nix that could be players missing for 2 if the Flyers games and one against the scorchers. Critical games For Rocks it’s just wrong. Really hope you and suspect you will have enough in the bag before then but it’s bound to impact on potential position and who you play in the play offs. Not the most appetising introduction for a new coach. Will you be able to field a team at all? Is it 12 to go to the CGs ? M guessing the load will be shared throughout the league re English players but that isn’t going to happen for Rocks. I would argue that Gareth, Ali and Kieron have played at higher levels so not a step up at all for them. Really think it’s wrong! |
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Post by fozzie on Feb 18, 2018 21:53:07 GMT
Nixette,
Judging by today's game (admittedly only looking at the stats)- looks like you may be ok judging by Orlan and Bailey's performances today- they may be looking to play themselves out of the final named 12!
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Post by mikevigorfanclub on Feb 18, 2018 22:27:13 GMT
Just to muddy the waters even more....my understanding was that the players would go out two weeks before the opening game to acclimatise. That means go out on March 21st.......and return after the finals on April 15th............that's 3.5 weeks. For Nix that could be players missing for 2 if the Flyers games and one against the scorchers. Critical games For Rocks it’s just wrong. Really hope you and suspect you will have enough in the bag before then but it’s bound to impact on potential position and who you play in the play offs. Not the most appetising introduction for a new coach. Will you be able to field a team at all? Is it 12 to go to the CGs ? M guessing the load will be shared throughout the league re English players but that isn’t going to happen for Rocks. I would argue that Gareth, Ali and Kieron have played at higher levels so not a step up at all for them. Really think it’s wrong! And we will be missing Mike Vigor (our captain) and Daniel Edozie, Assuming he makes the final 12, which with Coach Kapoulas in charge, seems a good bet. We only have 2 other forwards, Leslee Smith and Brandon Boggs!! |
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Post by nixette on Feb 18, 2018 22:43:27 GMT
Nixette, Judging by today's game (admittedly only looking at the stats)- looks like you may be ok judging by Orlan and Bailey's performances today- they may be looking to play themselves out of the final named 12! Just say no! |
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Post by nixette on Feb 18, 2018 22:43:37 GMT
Nixette, Judging by today's game (admittedly only looking at the stats)- looks like you may be ok judging by Orlan and Bailey's performances today- they may be looking to play themselves out of the final named 12! Just say no! |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Feb 19, 2018 0:19:52 GMT
Forgive me, Nixette, I'm still left in the dark because of the ambiguity of your posts - okay with the Nix players going or not...?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 8:37:52 GMT
I have to disagree with nixette here.
For British basketball players the opportunities to go and do something like this are very limited, so why wouldn't they want to go to the gold coast, have some fun and play the sport they love.
This isn't soccer where the players earn thousands a week, id guess most of the players earn less than most of we do on here.
I wish the phoenix players all the best and hope they get into the final 12 that goes. If it means we lose a few games so what? I doubt we can make the playoffs anyway so let the players have their fun.
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Post by fozzie on Feb 19, 2018 22:17:32 GMT
Basketball must be the only sport where representing your country is not considered a massive honour really.
Find it very strange.
Was shocked by some of the calibre of players shown in the England team though- are these the best in the country really? Or is it purely a BBL team that's considered? Which is fair enough I guess.
Kai Williams is Canadian though surely? Drew Lasker? Mike Tuck?
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Post by nixette on Feb 20, 2018 3:19:09 GMT
No they’re not the best players. Our best players arn’t interested in a tournament where the quality is inferior to what they are currently playing.
If it was a tournament with any basketball integrity I think it would be regarded as an honour. I guess there’s an element of how nationalistic you are. Also where your priorities lie. Many football players arn’t available for friendlies.
They qualify. Check out our cricket team.
For someone with limited knowledge you’re learning quick😉
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Post by dyb dyb on Feb 20, 2018 8:32:40 GMT
Can't speak for the other but Mike is dual heritage. He has a british passport with his mother bwing born in England.
Surely starting with 24 and having training camps to wittle the numbers down to the final numbers will leave us with the better players?
Whether they should all come from the BBL is another question for me.
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Post by nixette on Feb 22, 2018 0:56:48 GMT
Anyone know when the squad is to be announced. My guess is each team will supply one player which is a nice compromise. Apart from Rocks!
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Post by nixette on Feb 22, 2018 1:00:37 GMT
Anyone know when the squad is to be announced. My guess is each team will supply one player which is a nice compromise. Apart from Rocks! Apart from Leeds! Doubt they’ll select Joseph’s as that would just be too much + for rocks |
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Post by inaminute23 on Feb 22, 2018 9:10:53 GMT
Apparently, this is the final 12
Drew Lasker
Mike Tuck
Shane K Walker
Kofi Josephs
Darius Defoe
Daniel Edozie
Jamell Lenworth Anderson
Adam Thoseby
Callum Jones
Joe Ikhinmwin
Orlan Jackman
Andrew Thomson
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Post by foxprorawks on Feb 22, 2018 9:15:44 GMT
Anyone know when the squad is to be announced. My guess is each team will supply one player which is a nice compromise. Apart from Rocks! Apart from Leeds! Doubt they’ll select Joseph’s as that would just be too much + for rocks I fully expect Josephs to be selected - he's playing great this season for Rocks. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 9:38:53 GMT
Is Joe Ikh really the best England could do? I may be being harsh on the guy - someone set me straight?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 10:19:12 GMT
Is Joe Ikh really the best England could do? I may be being harsh on the guy - someone set me straight? I don't know how he make a the London final 12, let alone the England one |
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