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Post by jimmylad on Sept 20, 2018 20:19:56 GMT
We were like a boxer who was clinging on. Beasted in the paint and suffocated by swarming defence. I may be wrong but I think their starting PG sat out most of the game as well. Hampton had a brace on foot and worryingly both Washington and Burnett appeared to pick up injuries. Burnett limping heavily and headed straight to the dressing room post game. On the plus side, on first showing, he is some player. One of the best players on the night and that’s saying something considering the standard of Bakken compared to Riders.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 20, 2018 20:20:54 GMT
Couldn’t disagree more! Most of the Riders looked off the pace today..none of them played out of there skins! Holder had a poor game and so did a few of the others. The tie is far from done and dusted, if Hampton can get fit and Burnett settles into the way the team play, it has the potential to be a great second leg. Seeing Hampton watching on the bench today, i’ll be extremely surprised if he’s in any state to play on Saturday. I asked him when he would be fit tonight he said he has no idea. It's his ankle but he's got metal brace on up to his knee
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 20, 2018 20:22:22 GMT
We were like a boxer who was clinging on. Beasted in the paint and suffocated by swarming defence. I may be wrong but I think their starting PG sat out most of the game as well. Hampton had a brace on foot and worryingly both Washington and Burnett appeared to pick up injuries. Burnett limping heavily and headed straight to the dressing room post game. On the plus side, on first showing, he is some player. One of the best players on the night and that’s saying something considering the standard of Bakken compared to Riders. Exactly what I was thinking. Like a Boxer who refused to stay down and kept coming back. Full credit and respect to our players. Like you I think they had way more in their locker though had they needed it
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 20, 2018 20:25:59 GMT
Riders came back well to make the score respectable in the end - certainly no disgrace without Hampton. Burnett looks like quite a find! 24 points in 22 minutes and limping for most of them His brother is a running back for Minnesota Vikings and this lad is built like a running back and can run through brick walls and screens! And he finishes with his left and right hand with ease His shot trajectory is really low but it works!! Their number 5 was different class. Otherwise I would say he was best player on court. But their big guy diouf was unstoppable by us IMO and we were lucky he didn't play as much as he could have and they didn't just keep going to him under the hoop
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Post by massiveridersfan on Sept 20, 2018 21:05:45 GMT
Loved Burnett. He's a fantastic find. Praying he isn't seriously injured. Larsson unable to make an impact on offence and poor on defence tonight. He was much more effective against Kongsberg in offence. A measure of how good Bears were in defence. They nullified him. Of course, he didn't have Hampton so he bore the weight of inside plays all by himself. Given their height advantage and skill, Bears were easily able to contain him.
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Post by massiveridersfan on Sept 20, 2018 21:07:12 GMT
Bakken have added a final American, Hayden Dalton. First year pro out of Wyoming. Had a very productive college career. Averaged the best part of 18 and 8 last season and shot over 40% from deep in a decent conference. Summer League teammate of Akoon-Purcell. Initially signed a deal with Ludwigsburg who are one of the better sides in the German Bundesliga (BCL semi-finalists last season). Was released due to concerns about his physicality by the sounds of it. He's 6'8" but rail thin. Potentially looks a really good addition I'm afraid. This is going to be tough... even more so if we're not even full strength ourselves. Dalton was really good and a handful for us to manage.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 20, 2018 21:11:01 GMT
Loved Burnett. He's a fantastic find. Praying he isn't seriously injured. Larsson unable to make an impact on offence and poor on defence tonight. He was much more effective against Kongsberg in offence. A measure of how good Bears were in defence. They nullified him. Of course, he didn't have Hampton so he bore the weight of inside plays all by himself. Given their height advantage and skill, Bears were easily able to contain him. Larsson will be fine in BBL IMO
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 20, 2018 21:13:42 GMT
Loved Burnett. He's a fantastic find. Praying he isn't seriously injured. Larsson unable to make an impact on offence and poor on defence tonight. He was much more effective against Kongsberg in offence. A measure of how good Bears were in defence. They nullified him. Of course, he didn't have Hampton so he bore the weight of inside plays all by himself. Given their height advantage and skill, Bears were easily able to contain him. Larsson will be fine in BBL IMO Re Burnett Never been so excited by a player for a club I support since Forest signed Stan Collymore! He's going to be so exciting for every BBL fan to watch. Having said that in BBL Games I think he will be expected to play within himself a bit. Tonight Rob had to let him go at them as he was the only player who could get through their defence.
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Post by massiveridersfan on Sept 20, 2018 21:50:51 GMT
Loved Burnett. He's a fantastic find. Praying he isn't seriously injured. Larsson unable to make an impact on offence and poor on defence tonight. He was much more effective against Kongsberg in offence. A measure of how good Bears were in defence. They nullified him. Of course, he didn't have Hampton so he bore the weight of inside plays all by himself. Given their height advantage and skill, Bears were easily able to contain him. Larsson will be fine in BBL IMO I agree completely but he was brought in primarily for European competition. Got to stop picking up fouls so easily.
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Post by ananalyticalobserver on Sept 20, 2018 22:12:13 GMT
Riders will be a stronger, and more successful team as a result of the experience tonight, & Saturday.
In the circumstances, first game at this level, first competitive game of the season, a new PG & a star forward missing, to lose by just 13 points was actually a creditable performance. I'd be very surprised if any other BBL side would even get within 20-25 points of Bakken, who are a very good team.
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Post by youngrocks on Sept 20, 2018 22:23:15 GMT
It keeps getting mentioned didnt esgles beat them?
Credible result with arguably two starters out (new pg just in the team) i do not feel the riders roster is kitted out for europe this season nor do i think they will cruise the league. However if they win the league and do europe again next year they will be much better from this years adventure.
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Post by massiveridersfan on Sept 20, 2018 22:45:06 GMT
If the team is able to draw on all its individual players most of the season then I think it will take a hell of a team to stop us retaining the league title. Burnett & Larsson + Washington make us stronger than last year's team imo.
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Post by 3ptslam on Sept 21, 2018 0:22:12 GMT
I think Larson won’t cut it in BBL, far too slow, Burnett is a prototype BBL two man, and that’s the level of quality Riders needed at point, not Washington. I also think the BBL will be a lot closer than some think.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 21, 2018 5:07:12 GMT
I think Larson won’t cut it in BBL, far too slow, Burnett is a prototype BBL two man, and that’s the level of quality Riders needed at point, not Washington. I also think the BBL will be a lot closer than some think. Don't think speed was an issue for Laarson last night myself. And won't be in the BBL. He gets up and down the court a lot quicker than Gettys did last year for example and way more mobile than most big guys I've seen play BBL to date. It was physicality and strength and know how to deal with their big guy under the hoop that failed him last night. Other than one of the Royals top signings he won't face that quality/strength in BBL. He was on 4 fouls after being on court just 8 mins. Only played another 4 mins near the end of the game. Did ok offensively with the opportunities he had. Who are you comparing Burnett to that plays in BBL? Only person that reminds me of him was Brooks at Sharks when he was having a great game against us. But last night he was an even better version of Brooks against a defence twice as intense than Riders has ever been. And we are the guys that bring the intensity of defence to BBL.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 21, 2018 5:24:27 GMT
It keeps getting mentioned didnt esgles beat them? Credible result with arguably two starters out (new pg just in the team) i do not feel the riders roster is kitted out for europe this season nor do i think they will cruise the league. However if they win the league and do europe again next year they will be much better from this years adventure. Whatever bakken team Eagles scored 112 against in a friendly either was half the quality of this bakken team or was a bakken team this quality having a walk in the park and playing half court press and not worried about the result as it was a friendly. When we defend Eagles with our best intensity we restrict them to 70 or 80 tops. They don't score 100 plus even against US when we play well. But Bakken defend a whole lot better than we've ever achieved to date. It was a real eye opener and no BBL team of this era will defend anywhere near like this against us for more than 5 minutes in a game at most. Even then they won't have the same know how. They absolutely smothered us. There is nobody at that game who supports riders thinking we were unlucky to lose last night. Some players didn't play well for us but bakken didn't allow them to play well. All the riders players gave 110 per cent as normal but bakken are a couple of levels above us. Way more intensity than even the most competitive BBL Finals we've played in. The final scoreline wasn't a good indication of the game IMO. The result looks close ish. That doesn't reflect the game. We battled and fought so hard just to get a scoreline that looks close ish and to have some pride. That's what a Rob team always will do. But not sure we will be in a position to keep the return game that close. I know Rob will go trying to recover the match but at some stage if they go at us like they did last night and develop a lead then we need to protect Burnett for example who could barely walk at the end of last nights game and was having to play hero ball. Something he will rarely have to do or be allowed to do in BBL. Any normal game last night I don't think he would even be playing as he was playing injured after a few minutes.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Sept 21, 2018 7:01:47 GMT
I would reply to all this but I cant see for the blood seeping from my eyes.
Christ there's some bollocks on here at times. I'm a staunch defender of this site but dear god it's hard at times.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 21, 2018 7:04:29 GMT
I would reply to all this but I cant see for the blood seeping from my eyes. Christ there's some bollocks on here at times. I'm a staunch defender of this site but dear god it's hard at times. Did you watch the game Bigz? If so I'm expecting you to agree with me on most of what I say above. Honestly I am. I am really hoping you've seen the game to give your take on it? As far as I'm concerned they were just way too good for us in all areas. Theres people on here seeing a scoreline and thinking it tells a story of what happened. Offensively I believe Baaken have a couple more gears they only used when needed.
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Post by raiders92 on Sept 21, 2018 7:06:37 GMT
Larson needs to stay on the court more the riders are paper thin inside especially now pierres gone down! But for the bbl the depth is mind blowing that's enough to win most games!! Add to the fact it's quality depth!!
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 21, 2018 7:08:20 GMT
Larson needs to stay on the court more the riders are paper thin inside especially now pierres gone down! But for the bbl the depth is mind blowing that's enough to win most games!! Add to the fact it's quality depth!! Like I say he was on 4 fouls after just 8 mins on court. Each foul rob took him off, had a word. He came back on and same or similar thing happened. Totally inexperienced for dealing with their big guy who was a beast compared to BBL big guys I've seen. And in Euro terms I don't even think they are a particularly big or physical team at all. They reached semis of Euro Cup last year though.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Sept 21, 2018 7:40:23 GMT
I would reply to all this but I cant see for the blood seeping from my eyes. Christ there's some bollocks on here at times. I'm a staunch defender of this site but dear god it's hard at times. Did you watch the game Bigz? If so I'm expecting you to agree with me on most of what I say above. Honestly I am. I am really hoping you've seen the game to give your take on it? As far as I'm concerned they were just way too good for us in all areas. Theres people on here seeing a scoreline and thinking it tells a story of what happened. Offensively I believe Baaken have a couple more gears they only used when needed.
Havent got all day sadly so I'll keep it short - they looked like they could ramp it up a bit when they fancied, but how many Riders had an off night?
Larsson was dreadful. How you think he'll be ok in the BBL is beyond me. Looked sluggish and couldn't move his feet defensively - yeah guys in the BBL are 2-3 inches shorter but they're mobile as well. He'll struggle against the likes of Cheshire who have mobile athletic players. That said I'd imagine he probably wont play much. He was brought in for nights like last night, and failed massively.
Douse may as well have not been there. Offered precisely half of nothing and this was cleary noted by Rob early. And that's just off the top of my head.
Holder will also play better. I don't put all of this down to sweltering Bakken Defence I'll be honest.
Positives are obviously Burnett (who will definitely be cut because Rob doesn't like players scoring over 20 remember?) and I thought Lascelles put a good shift in.
Also, anyone else notice Zarko Jukic's brother last night?
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Post by leamrider2 on Sept 21, 2018 7:46:49 GMT
I enjoyed the night. It's all been said before but Bears defence was outstanding. You couldn't move before there were two of them in your face. Excellent and good luck to them. Riders battled and in the end did well to close to it just 13. And wow, Deandre Burnett - what a find. He's going to enjoy himself in the BBL. Larsson doesn't look too bad to me and I think he's going to do well here, too.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Sept 21, 2018 7:49:21 GMT
I genuinely think plus Hampton and some of the more anonymous players actually turning up, Riders wouldn't have been that far away. Too many people had indifferent nights.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 21, 2018 7:49:25 GMT
Did you watch the game Bigz? If so I'm expecting you to agree with me on most of what I say above. Honestly I am. I am really hoping you've seen the game to give your take on it? As far as I'm concerned they were just way too good for us in all areas. Theres people on here seeing a scoreline and thinking it tells a story of what happened. Offensively I believe Baaken have a couple more gears they only used when needed.
Havent got all day sadly so I'll keep it short - they looked like they could ramp it up a bit when they fancied, but how many Riders had an off night?
Larsson was dreadful. How you think he'll be ok in the BBL is beyond me. Looked sluggish and couldn't move his feet defensively - yeah guys in the BBL are 2-3 inches shorter but they're mobile as well. He'll struggle against the likes of Cheshire who have mobile athletic players. That said I'd imagine he probably wont play much. He was brought in for nights like last night, and failed massively.
Douse may as well have not been there. Offered precisely half of nothing and this was cleary noted by Rob early. And that's just off the top of my head.
Holder will also play better. I don't put all of this down to sweltering Bakken Defence I'll be honest.
Positives are obviously Burnett (who will definitely be cut because Rob doesn't like players scoring over 20 remember?) and I thought Lascelles put a good shift in.
Isn't it a case of douse not being at this level though. Nor conner being honest It's a whole different level Bigz to bbl? Re holder. We all know his quality and how he stands out in bbl He tried all his usual moves that would create space to the basket Against these guys they just closed the door every time. I lost count of the amount of times he tried to get to the basket and got stopped in his tracks and had to turn back and dish the ball I've never seen that happen like that in BBL bigz Same player different level of opposition
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 21, 2018 7:54:35 GMT
I genuinely think plus Hampton and some of the more anonymous players actually turning up, Riders wouldn't have been that far away. Too many people had indifferent nights. I think with Hampton sure we could have played better. Would have been same result though. They would have just ramped it up when we did. They created a big lead early. We came back. They ramped it up. We came back. They ramped it up and we came back. Their coach will be mad they let us get it back to 13 in the end. They could have ramped it up again if they needed in another 3 mins at the end when wed got back to 13 They rested a lot of their best players that wouldn't have been rested if they weren't 20 points ahead on several occasions IMO If they start like they did on Saturday they will be double digits ahead in first quarter and match will be over no matter how many times we try to claw back
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Post by interestedridersfan on Sept 21, 2018 7:57:55 GMT
I enjoyed the night. It's all been said before but Bears defence was outstanding. You couldn't move before there were two of them in your face. Excellent and good luck to them. Riders battled and in the end did well to close to it just 13. And wow, Deandre Burnett - what a find. He's going to enjoy himself in the BBL. Larsson doesn't look too bad to me and I think he's going to do well here, too. I agree with all that I'm also comparing Laarson to other bigs weve had and he did as well as any would have in that situation. IMO better than they would have coped offensively for sure. Let's not forget he only played 12 mins as well. And he was in foul trouble from the very start I totally accept defensively he had no answers to their big guy. But who in BBL would have?
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