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Post by 2NFR on Oct 29, 2018 20:41:43 GMT
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Post by LTFan on Oct 30, 2018 12:24:29 GMT
I’ll let someone else give a full write up of Szolnoki Olaj, but here’s a bit of a game preview…
Both Szolnoki and Riders have played 2 games previously in this group stage – both against the other 2 teams in the group - Dinamo Sassari and Falco Vulcano. Riders have lost to both, whilst Szolnoki lost to Dinamo Sassari but won against Falco Vulcano.
So far in the competition Riders have 38% 2pt FGs, 45% 3pt FGs and 74.4% free throws. Szolnoki Olaj have 52.1% 2pt FGs, 41.5% 3pt FGs and 68.9% free throws.
With 0 wins and 2 losses Riders are currently bottom of the group, whilst, with 1 win and 1 loss Szolnoki Olaj are current joint second in the group with Falco Vulcano. Meanwhile, with 2 wins Dinamo Sassari top the group.
Although Riders have better 3pt FGs and free throw percentages, games are generally won on 2pt shots. So I still think Szolnoki Olaj are statistically the better team and will win this. Plus Riders couldn’t beat Falco Vulcano, generally considered their closest competition, last week so I don’t fancy their chances against Szolnoki Olaj.
But I really hope Riders can win this game, because I have a feeling that if they lose this one then they won’t get out of this first group stage and will be sent packing.
And one last thing, this game is advertised as a 18:00 GMT+1 tip-off. So I think that means it’s a 17:00 UK time tip-off for those planning to watch online.
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Post by 2NFR on Oct 30, 2018 13:24:50 GMT
Thanks for that LTfan So that's either a 5pm start ... or a 7pm start ..or 7.30pm .... on Riders website Does anybody actually know when this game starts ? Good luck Riders
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 13:45:38 GMT
Thanks for that LTfan So that's either a 5pm start ... or a 7pm start ..or 7.30pm .... on Riders website Does anybody actually know when this game starts ? Good luck Riders I gave up trying to figure it out!
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Post by LTFan on Oct 30, 2018 13:46:03 GMT
Thanks for that LTfan So that's either a 5pm start ... or a 7pm start ..or 7.30pm .... on Riders website Does anybody actually know when this game starts ? Good luck Riders The FIBA website says 18:00 (GMT+1). So I read that as 17:00 (GMT). Therefore I’m fairly certain that means a 5pm tip-off UK time.
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Post by 2NFR on Oct 30, 2018 13:48:02 GMT
Fair point
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Post by LTFan on Oct 31, 2018 12:54:06 GMT
A surprising lack of discussion in regards to tonight’s game…am I the only one who thinks Riders entire Europe Cup success could hinge on getting a win tonight? They’re bottom of their group, and a loss tonight will mean they’ve been beaten by everyone and make it extremely difficult to go beyond the first group stage. My prediction – if they lose tonight their Europe campaign will be over before it’s even really started.
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Post by stevetino on Oct 31, 2018 12:56:53 GMT
Good luck to the riders
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 13:38:12 GMT
A surprising lack of discussion in regards to tonight’s game…am I the only one who thinks Riders entire Europe Cup success could hinge on getting a win tonight? They’re bottom of their group, and a loss tonight will mean they’ve been beaten by everyone and make it extremely difficult to go beyond the first group stage. My prediction – if they lose tonight their Europe campaign will be over before it’s even really started. I think the loss last week was a bit of an eye-opener for many, including myself. I'm not expecting much from tonight though I hope to be wrong.
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Post by LTFan on Oct 31, 2018 14:12:25 GMT
A surprising lack of discussion in regards to tonight’s game…am I the only one who thinks Riders entire Europe Cup success could hinge on getting a win tonight? They’re bottom of their group, and a loss tonight will mean they’ve been beaten by everyone and make it extremely difficult to go beyond the first group stage. My prediction – if they lose tonight their Europe campaign will be over before it’s even really started. I think the loss last week was a bit of an eye-opener for many, including myself. I'm not expecting much from tonight though I hope to be wrong. I agree. Apart from facing Falco in Leicester (which I think they’ll still do?), last week’s Falco game was Riders best opportunity of the first group stage to get a win. And they undoubtedly failed at that. Therefore I’m not holding out much hope for tonight, and therefore Riders getting out of the first stage of the competition. But I’ll be happy to be proved wrong.
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Oct 31, 2018 14:14:24 GMT
After all the expectations of Riders fans( and TBH a lot of other teams fans too ) it hasn't really worked out the way that everyone hoped for. Is that because Riders haven't reached the standard of last season or are European teams better than first thought?
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 31, 2018 14:19:55 GMT
Heres an interesting question: who is the leader on this team?
And I don't mean in terms of scoring. JR Holder seems to have taken that mantle by the scruff of the neck - but last season Bernardini's leadership really dragged the team through some struggles - wasn't just his heroics that led the team to such success.
Who's that guy this year? I'm not seeing one to now. That's one of the main problems Riders have for me. Tommo's an experienced head who saw Royals off down the stretch (or tie the game in the clutch I should say) - and as good as I think he is (and I do), he just isn't the type of leader that Bernardini was for me.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Oct 31, 2018 14:37:12 GMT
After all the expectations of Riders fans( and TBH a lot of other teams fans too ) it hasn't really worked out the way that everyone hoped for. Is that because Riders haven't reached the standard of last season or are European teams better than first thought? Been really impressed by all 3 teams so far I actually think we gave the best team on paper (the Italians) the biggest problems. They didn't outwork us they just had too much quality in the end. However, the other 2 worked so damned hard and were so professional that our normal energy and work ethic was something they could match and better I'm expecting another defeat tonight as these guys are generally better than last week's guys in the same Hungarian league and when they go head to head. And last week's team was too good for us!
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Post by interestedridersfan on Oct 31, 2018 14:40:16 GMT
Heres an interesting question: who is the leader on this team? And I don't mean in terms of scoring. JR Holder seems to have taken that mantle by the scruff of the neck - but last season Bernardini's leadership really dragged the team through some struggles - wasn't just his heroics that led the team to such success. Who's that guy this year? I'm not seeing one to now. That's one of the main problems Riders have for me. Tommo's an experienced head who saw Royals off down the stretch (or tie the game in the clutch I should say) - and as good as I think he is (and I do), he just isn't the type of leader that Bernardini was for me. In this team it is Thompson and if you weren't comparing to Tyler I think he's a good captain and got the respect of the team and the BBL Show me another leader on and off the court like Bernardini in the BBL though? Let alone at Riders. He was different class at what he did for the club.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 14:41:12 GMT
After all the expectations of Riders fans( and TBH a lot of other teams fans too ) it hasn't really worked out the way that everyone hoped for. Is that because Riders haven't reached the standard of last season or are European teams better than first thought? I'd expect fans to be optimistic and very few (including me I might add) have a clear understanding about the relative standard of the BBL compared to other leagues. I wonder what the expectations of Riders Management and coaching staff are? is this season just about getting their feet wet, building experience and attracting / keeping players - can any BBL franchise afford that 'luxury'? Rooting for the Riders tonight btw
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 31, 2018 15:20:09 GMT
Heres an interesting question: who is the leader on this team? And I don't mean in terms of scoring. JR Holder seems to have taken that mantle by the scruff of the neck - but last season Bernardini's leadership really dragged the team through some struggles - wasn't just his heroics that led the team to such success. Who's that guy this year? I'm not seeing one to now. That's one of the main problems Riders have for me. Tommo's an experienced head who saw Royals off down the stretch (or tie the game in the clutch I should say) - and as good as I think he is (and I do), he just isn't the type of leader that Bernardini was for me. In this team it is Thompson and if you weren't comparing to Tyler I think he's a good captain and got the respect of the team and the BBL Show me another leader on and off the court like Bernardini in the BBL though? Let alone at Riders. He was different class at what he did for the club. Hey look I'm not saying Thomson is a bad player and a decent captain, far from it. I actually know him a little bit from his Everton days and you could tell then the guy was a class act. But he's a different type of Captain to Bernardini and Sullivan before him. He isn't a guy whos going to burn you for 15 straight points down the stretch and literally carry everyone around him on his back - he's more a guy who'll ensure discipline and carry out his role to the best of his ability and is steady at all times rather than having the ability to literally explode when the chips are down. In essence I see him as a calming influence rather than the first one into battle. That's not to say he doesn't have respect around the league - far from it - after all he's not played on a team that hasn't won something in that same season. He's just a different type of captain to Tyler and Sulli.
So how do you replace what those type of players brought to the table. I've seen flashes from Bennett and Holder that suggest 2-3 years down the line it might be them (but I imagine both will be off rightly chasing £$£$£ by then) performance wise but I don't know too much about their personalities to say whether its in them or not.
I think an awful lot more responsibility falls on Hampton this year. We'll see if he's up to it. Problem is its easier to be that guy from a guard spot, and although Lascelles is coming along nicely and Washington and Douse can be explosive I don't think you're that close right now to replacing what Bernardini gave.
I guess what I'm trying to say is the team is going to have to work together better and get more from each other than it ever has done, and right now I'm seeing hero ball from Holder and sometimes Bennett to get you out of spots. That was something you admit yourself wasn't the Riders way.
Fletcher is the only one similar to Bernardini in that respect. Maybe Robinson too.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Oct 31, 2018 15:48:48 GMT
In this team it is Thompson and if you weren't comparing to Tyler I think he's a good captain and got the respect of the team and the BBL Show me another leader on and off the court like Bernardini in the BBL though? Let alone at Riders. He was different class at what he did for the club. Hey look I'm not saying Thomson is a bad player and a decent captain, far from it. I actually know him a little bit from his Everton days and you could tell then the guy was a class act. But he's a different type of Captain to Bernardini and Sullivan before him. He isn't a guy whos going to burn you for 15 straight points down the stretch and literally carry everyone around him on his back - he's more a guy who'll ensure discipline and carry out his role to the best of his ability and is steady at all times rather than having the ability to literally explode when the chips are down. In essence I see him as a calming influence rather than the first one into battle. That's not to say he doesn't have respect around the league - far from it - after all he's not played on a team that hasn't won something in that same season. He's just a different type of captain to Tyler and Sulli.
So how do you replace what those type of players brought to the table. I've seen flashes from Bennett and Holder that suggest 2-3 years down the line it might be them (but I imagine both will be off rightly chasing £$£$£ by then) performance wise but I don't know too much about their personalities to say whether its in them or not.
I think an awful lot more responsibility falls on Hampton this year. We'll see if he's up to it. Problem is its easier to be that guy from a guard spot, and although Lascelles is coming along nicely and Washington and Douse can be explosive I don't think you're that close right now to replacing what Bernardini gave.
I guess what I'm trying to say is the team is going to have to work together better and get more from each other than it ever has done, and right now I'm seeing hero ball from Holder and sometimes Bennett to get you out of spots. That was something you admit yourself wasn't the Riders way.
Fletcher is the only one similar to Bernardini in that respect. Maybe Robinson too.
I see Robinson and Fletch as much quieter individuals than Tyler myself. But I agree maybe leaders in their own way Drew wasn't actually captain whilst at Riders whilst I've supported them - although I 100 per cent accept he was a leader whilst he was with us without needing the title. As was Tyler at the time. Barry Lamble had the captain's role back then At Riders being the captain includes telling the players where to be and when off the court and basic stuff about what kit they need as well etc as all the leadership on court as well And don't forget with Tyler he also used to scout and review opposition videos and potential signings etc. He called all the plays all of the time. He predicted and called opposition plays and kicked himself in games when he missed stuff like that Very OCD in that resepct Will Robinson and Fletch be doing that at their clubs? Which is why I say I think he's a one off in BBL
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Post by LTFan on Oct 31, 2018 16:53:37 GMT
After all the expectations of Riders fans( and TBH a lot of other teams fans too ) it hasn't really worked out the way that everyone hoped for. Is that because Riders haven't reached the standard of last season or are European teams better than first thought? I'd expect fans to be optimistic and very few (including me I might add) have a clear understanding about the relative standard of the BBL compared to other leagues. I wonder what the expectations of Riders Management and coaching staff are? is this season just about getting their feet wet, building experience and attracting / keeping players - can any BBL franchise afford that 'luxury'? Rooting for the Riders tonight btw I’d say this season is very much about experience. I doubt Riders management expected them to qualify for the Champions League, but I do suspect they were/are hoping for a slightly better performance in the Europe Cup than what we’ve seen so far. I suspect they were secretly hoping they’d perhaps get through the first group stage, or at least get a few wins to their name even if they don’t manage that. But the way that it’s looking is that they’ll finish bottom of the group with zero wins. But there’s still a few more games yet so maybe things will improve.
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Post by Steven McTowelie on Oct 31, 2018 17:04:36 GMT
Don't have time to post anything too elaborate but suffice to say I'm not expecting a win, particularly after last week's disappointing result. Szolnoki Olaj has won both meetings with Szombathely so far this season (the first of which was a 20 point drubbing) and are far and away the dominant force in Hungarian basketball at the moment. National champions six of the last eight years and have been a fixture in Europe over that period, twice making the semi-finals of Eurochallenge.
Unlike Szombathely I think this is a team built around a strong European core. David Vojvoda and Strahinja Milosevic tend to do the bulk of the scoring but given our understrength/underperforming frontcourt, I fancy Luksa Andric could have a big game. He's a 6'10" Croatian centre with considerable EuroLeague experience. Coming off a pretty stellar college career, Andrew Rowsey looked the pick of their Americans to me but has yet to make much of an impression. Numbers say he's an elite shooter.
I really wanted us to make a decent fist of Europe and was hoping we could buck recent trends and hit the ground running this season. Sadly it's the same old Riders stumbling out of the blocks not looking anywhere close to their best. I think qualification for the second round is already out of the question. Was probably asking for too much too soon anyway. Just winning a game is more realistically the goal now I think. I doubt that happens today but I'd love to be wrong.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Oct 31, 2018 17:12:05 GMT
Live now
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Post by interestedridersfan on Oct 31, 2018 17:22:23 GMT
Burnett ain't playing
17-8 down after first quarter
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Post by jimmylad on Oct 31, 2018 17:34:15 GMT
Burnett ain't playing 17-8 down after first quarter Injured?
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Post by interestedridersfan on Oct 31, 2018 17:41:20 GMT
Burnett ain't playing 17-8 down after first quarter Injured? Must be. Nearly at end of second quarter and he's not been on court yet 37-31 down
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Post by 2NFR on Oct 31, 2018 17:42:47 GMT
37 - 34 at the half
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