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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 14:52:40 GMT
Ha ha my bad jimmylad
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Post by 2NFR on Nov 18, 2018 15:22:04 GMT
Game Report - Jeff KingEsh Group Eagles Newcastle powered through to the BBL Cup semi-finals last night at The Morningside Arena, Leicester against deadly rivals Riders. Stand-out forward Victor Moses was the star of the show but once again he got great support from his team-mates and in particular Jeremy Smith and the emerging flourishing talented Kyle Williams. It was a terrific first quarter of action and in particular a profitable last half of those ten minutes for The Eagles after a start when both these giants of British basketball slugged it out showing their abilities and taking the game to each other with high intensity. Moses and Eagles point guard Rahmon Fletcher were leading the way early for their side but their every trust and parry was met by Riders coming back as the side went back and forth. Newcastle made the first break halfway through the first when a 6 – 0 run opened the first significant gap. The visitors held the upper hand from there to take a seven-point lead in to the second period. Kyle Williams had netted the last basket of the first quarter and he scored the first two of the second including a triple to make it seven unanswered and the first double-digit lead of the game for Newcastle at 35 – 23. Smith got in to the scoring groove as well as the normally reliable Leicester defence was being ripped to shreds. Moses who had 12-personal inside the first ten minutes added four more to lead all scorers and Fletcher also went in to double figures as the Eagles 1-2 punch kept them comfortably and deservedly in front. At the half-time buzzer, Head Coach Fab Flournoy was the far happier of the two coaches as his side bounced in the locker room leading by an impressive 14-points, 49 – 35, giving his opposite number Rob Paternostro plenty to think and talk about with his struggling side. Whatever was said seemed in the early going of the third to make little difference as the Eagles picked up where they’d left off in the first half and a 12 – 7 start with Moses and Smith again prominent saw them soar in to a 19-point lead and force a Leicester time-out with the home side down by their biggest deficit of 19-points at 61 – 42. The time-out did finally spark a lacklustre Riders outfit and they had a ten-point unanswered run to close within nine points. Newcastle though regrouped, steadied the ship and limited the damage and took a ten-point advantage in to the final quarter. That final ten minutes was about three things. Moses showing his finishing ability and Kyle Williams continuing his basketball growth meant the visitors always held control of the game and with veteran Drew Lasker and Fletcher conbasketball kiting the game and pulling the games it became about running down the clock. Leicester threw it all at Newcastle desperate to cut the gap but there was no panicking Flournoy’s side and they simply stood firm, did what they had to do particularly defensively where they were superb. As the final buzzer sounded it was a jubilant Newcastle side that celebrated with their loud and proud travelling support as they moved in to the BBL Cup semi-finals. newcastle-eagles.com/news/report-eagles-at-leicester-riders-bbl-cup-quarter-final/
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Post by isthaturinal on Nov 18, 2018 15:54:53 GMT
Big Congratulations to the Eagles, massively deserved that Win and the end score flattered us! Don’t know where Victor Moses got his can opener from but time after time he split our defence right down the middle, at times he was unstoppable, Really don’t mind loosing to Eagles, the are a class organisation with a top set of supporters and I hope they go on and win the cup now,
To be honest I’m not worried about how Riders season is going so far, it’s pretty obvious that Europe is taking it out on us and we are yet to our best form, Remember this time last season, it was much the same, not playing particularly well and got dumped out of the cup by the Lions, We just need to get Wednesdays game out of the way and get back to concentrating on the BBl, we need weeks where we play 1-2 games in 7-10 days and we will be back on track
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 18, 2018 16:20:53 GMT
Rob sums it up so well here. 3 games in 4 days. 6 games in 9 days and it showed.
We've got 1 more tough week ahead though with 3 games in 5 days then it settles down for us again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 19:17:01 GMT
Rob sums it up so well here. 3 games in 4 days. 6 games in 9 days and it showed. We've got 1 more tough week ahead though with 3 games in 5 days then it settles down for us again. First time I recall seeing Rob use an excuse for a loss, it's a fair one but an excuse still
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Post by massiveridersfan on Nov 18, 2018 21:44:57 GMT
Rob sums it up so well here. 3 games in 4 days. 6 games in 9 days and it showed. We've got 1 more tough week ahead though with 3 games in 5 days then it settles down for us again. First time I recall seeing Rob use an excuse for a loss, it's a fair one but an excuse still A reason rather than an excuse.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 5:28:23 GMT
No such thing as a reason for losing, only an excuse
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 19, 2018 5:41:54 GMT
No such thing as a reason for losing, only an excuse Plenty of praise in there for what eagles did And at same time admitting that the first half we looked jaded/tired I think it's a very fair interview Equally eagles will have been tired from a game the day before and the journey. Eagles dealt with it and played much better than most expected (even their own fans on here)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 8:29:11 GMT
I'm not having a go, just stating that I've never seen Rob make an excuse, he usually says how they didn't do something or the opposition did something. Just a comment from me not a criticism
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 19, 2018 8:34:21 GMT
I wasn't able to get to this game so had to watch on Livebasketballtv
The intensity and desire we showed in the second half of the game is the intensity we have to show for every quarter of every game. If so we will win the league again.
I accept the fact that we were jaded and we have injuries but we know that our success comes from the above and I'm sure we will be able to demonstrate that intensity and desire every quarter and game in game out once we return to a more normal schedule
I also think we probably under estimated Eagles having won with a bit to spare at their place the other week
Key league game coming up for us next Sunday away at Lions. That's a huge game for both teams to win.
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Post by baldeagle on Nov 19, 2018 9:20:57 GMT
Also, of course, Riders were without Hampton, who seems to me to be the player that makes everything else happen. A big miss on the night. I've never bought the "we're so deep it doesn't matter" argument - take the pivotal player(s) out of any team and they will suffer and that was true of Riders on Saturday evening. (And before anyone thinks I am, I'm not having a go - take Fletcher out of the Eagles line-up and the same thing would happen).
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 19, 2018 9:29:09 GMT
Also, of course, Riders were without Hampton, who seems to me to be the player that makes everything else happen. A big miss on the night. I've never bought the "we're so deep it doesn't matter" argument - take the pivotal player(s) out of any team and they will suffer and that was true of Riders on Saturday evening. (And before anyone thinks I am, I'm not having a go - take Fletcher out of the Eagles line-up and the same thing would happen). Yep he's missed most of the season so far with first an ankle then a shoulder injury. Plus when he has played he's been getting back to fitness and form Its a shame because I know he worked really hard all summer to prepare for the Euro challenge and came back fitter than ever and in better form than ever. Then the ankle injury just before the proper euro games started stopped him in his tracks.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 19, 2018 9:32:34 GMT
Kyle Williams really delivered for you guys?
Earlier in the season he looked like a poor signing as well?
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Post by baldeagle on Nov 19, 2018 10:13:26 GMT
Kyle Williams really delivered for you guys? Earlier in the season he looked like a poor signing as well? Maybe just taking time to gel? And producing consistently is often a challenge for brand new pros.
But he had a terrific weekend - over the two matches, 47 points shooting just under 70%, which isn't too grubby.
The Eagles system needs a standout shooter, because without that threat defences can just collapse all over the bigs and Fletcher. With a consistent outside threat, that's more difficult.
Time will tell.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Nov 19, 2018 10:17:20 GMT
Kyle Williams really delivered for you guys? Earlier in the season he looked like a poor signing as well?
Brandon Clark took a fair while to get going for Riders.... he didn't turn out too badly.
This league takes a lot of getting used to (shoddy refereeing, style of the league etc) even for seasoned pros, so for a rook its even harder given the rule changes from NCAA to FIBA.
If he can kick on from this weekend he'll be massive for Eagles.
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Post by LTFan on Nov 19, 2018 13:10:37 GMT
I can’t believe this is another season where Riders have failed at the clean sweep – Cup, Trophy, Championship, Play-Offs. I know such an achievement is an incredible achievement, but it has been done by a current BBL team (Newcastle), so given how good Riders are right now it just surprises me they haven’t been able to achieve it over the past few years. This was a tough fixture, and could easily have been a final fixture, but I’m still surprised Riders lost. Well done Eagles, I hope we don’t see you until the final.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 19, 2018 13:21:09 GMT
I can’t believe this is another season where Riders have failed at the clean sweep – Cup, Trophy, Championship, Play-Offs. I know such an achievement is an incredible achievement, but it has been done by a current BBL team (Newcastle), so given how good Riders are right now it just surprises me they haven’t been able to achieve it over the past few years. This was a tough fixture, and could easily have been a final fixture, but I’m still surprised Riders lost. Well done Eagles, I hope we don’t see you until the final. I only saw the last sweep that Eagles did. That year we were their nearest competitors and IMO we were nowhere near as strong as we are now or nowhere near the likes of Lions or Eagles are now IMO. Watson (rookie season) Losonsky (injured a lot) Hassan Roland/Wright (rookie seasons) Washington Lamble Rowe (injured) Bernardini (rookie season) Gamble Noel The tough veteran player who became Giants Coach (forget his name) ? Think we were something like that? Have I missed anyone? Eagles were clearly very good but don't think their opposition were very good compared to the strength of teams now. Not when you look at our squad and realise that Riders squad only lost about 5 league games that season (think eagles lost 4) and a couple of them were after the league was won and they rested players? I do think it's tougher and more competitive now. The current eagles team would beat our squad above 9 times out of 10 I'm sure.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 13:26:03 GMT
Yorick!
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Post by notoriousbigz on Nov 19, 2018 13:31:39 GMT
I can’t believe this is another season where Riders have failed at the clean sweep – Cup, Trophy, Championship, Play-Offs. I know such an achievement is an incredible achievement, but it has been done by a current BBL team (Newcastle), so given how good Riders are right now it just surprises me they haven’t been able to achieve it over the past few years. This was a tough fixture, and could easily have been a final fixture, but I’m still surprised Riders lost. Well done Eagles, I hope we don’t see you until the final. I only saw the last sweep that Eagles did. That year we were their nearest competitors and IMO we were nowhere near as strong as we are now or nowhere near the likes of Lions or Eagles are now IMO. Watson (rookie season) Losonsky (injured a lot) Hassan Roland/Wright (rookie seasons) Washington Lamble Rowe (injured) Bernardini (rookie season) Gamble Noel The tough veteran player who became Giants Coach (forget his name) ? Think we were something like that? Have I missed anyone? Eagles were clearly very good but don't think their opposition were very good compared to the strength of teams now. Not when you look at our squad and realise that Riders squad only lost about 5 league games that season (think eagles lost 4) and a couple of them were after the league was won and they rested players? I do think it's tougher and more competitive now. The current eagles team would beat our squad above 9 times out of 10 I'm sure. Yorick Williams will find you and will give you death stare (and more) if he reads this.
(Absolute legend though for what its worth!)
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Post by stevetino on Nov 19, 2018 13:38:59 GMT
Kyle Williams really delivered for you guys? Earlier in the season he looked like a poor signing as well? Nobody could judge it was a poor signing as he wasn’t getting enough mins tbf INF
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 19, 2018 13:44:18 GMT
I only saw the last sweep that Eagles did. That year we were their nearest competitors and IMO we were nowhere near as strong as we are now or nowhere near the likes of Lions or Eagles are now IMO. Watson (rookie season) Losonsky (injured a lot) Hassan Roland/Wright (rookie seasons) Washington Lamble Rowe (injured) Bernardini (rookie season) Gamble Noel The tough veteran player who became Giants Coach (forget his name) ? Think we were something like that? Have I missed anyone? Eagles were clearly very good but don't think their opposition were very good compared to the strength of teams now. Not when you look at our squad and realise that Riders squad only lost about 5 league games that season (think eagles lost 4) and a couple of them were after the league was won and they rested players? I do think it's tougher and more competitive now. The current eagles team would beat our squad above 9 times out of 10 I'm sure. Yorick Williams will find you and will give you death stare (and more) if he reads this.
(Absolute legend though for what its worth!)
Yep he mixed it up for sure when the game needed an edge adding to it. I loved watching him do his stuff. Only signed for the last part of the season I seem to remember Do you get what I say about the quality of opposition though nowadays compared to then. I realise before that era the teams were much stronger but back then I think we were much weaker and we only lost a handful of league games all season. Let alone how easy eagles found it. Think they would have lost 2 league games if they hadn't been able to rest players at the end? And they didn't have a deep squad either. Just great quality.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Nov 19, 2018 13:55:40 GMT
Didn't you have Jay Cousinard that season too if I remember right? And Sulli? I'm not sure but seem to remember them both on that team.
Yorick back in the day was one of the best players this country has ever produced - he was at the tail end of his career mind.
Certainly think that Riders have gotten better since then as have Lions who were wildly inconsistent and not as good at best at that stage.
Eagles had a very established core at that point mind. A bit like what Riders have now. Overall league probably weaker but still some achievement as I'd say Eagles then were weaker than they are now so its a lesser comparison.
I'm glad we don't just have one team dominating everything though. Love the Riders/Eagles battle and I'm made up the likes of Lions are making a push at them too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 14:01:30 GMT
Lions until last season were perennial 6th place finishers. They've really came on.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 19, 2018 14:12:44 GMT
Didn't you have Jay Cousinard that season too if I remember right? And Sulli? I'm not sure but seem to remember them both on that team. Yorick back in the day was one of the best players this country has ever produced - he was at the tail end of his career mind. Certainly think that Riders have gotten better since then as have Lions who were wildly inconsistent and not as good at best at that stage. Eagles had a very established core at that point mind. A bit like what Riders have now. Overall league probably weaker but still some achievement as I'd say Eagles then were weaker than they are now so its a lesser comparison. I'm glad we don't just have one team dominating everything though. Love the Riders/Eagles battle and I'm made up the likes of Lions are making a push at them too. Cousinard definitely didn't play that season nor Drew Sullivan. Drew returning to us was a turning point and when we started really being competitive and making it hard for Eagles. But that was after eagles had won a clean sweep. Think he may have been at Lions that season?
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Post by eagle on Nov 19, 2018 15:10:35 GMT
Riders rotation that year was
Watson Bernadini Anderson Wright Hassan
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Washington Losonsky Rowe Yorick Lamble
Losonsky actually played 30 games that year. Rowe played 32 although limited minutes.
Eagles actually lost 3x to Worcester that season. But not to anyone else when it mattered. Wolves went 28-8
Cheshire had the coffino team which was very talented (dinunno king hodge watt et al) but still dropped10 games. Would that group finish as low as fourth nowadays? Sheffield actually knocked Leicester out of playoffs despite only going 19-17.
Probably where the league was weaker than now was the bottom 5 but not sure much difference at the top.
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