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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 20, 2018 8:02:14 GMT
First of all, given they've been able to do it sustainably this season, they have to be applauded and if the game wants to progress in this county I think its the duty of the league winners and anyone else who may be able to qualify to do everything in their power to enter. My fear though is exactly what the club have learned from it off the floor. Low attendances mean its a less attractive proposition for sponsors and therefore less viable commercially. If they've found that they're not at least breaking even on the Euro experience as a whole (and lets face it travel to mainland Europe isn't likely to be any cheaper/easier any time soon), then will they go for it again? Will they want to risk the injuries and the expense of having to bring in extra players to cope? I know the players would but they don't pay their own bills.... I have my own views on the make up of the roster and however deep it may be for the BBL throwing a bunch of wings together doesn't get it done at that level (the third or fourth tier in Europe?) so probably naively done with a blind sense of loyalty to players like Anderson who really don't offer much if anything over Holder/Wright/Hampton. Is it a case of Rob being a big fish in a little pond? Or has he simply learned to swim in the pond faster than the other fish? Because I think at the next level, when it comes to utilisation and recruitment of the right type big men, he leaves a lot to be desired - his current style of play simply does not translate. Would this squad in its current form have dominated the BBL without Europe this year? I'd say they'd have come close to not losing a game. But we've seen whats happened in Europe - and lets face it that's the reason some of the better players have stayed around. In fairness to Rob it's a learning curve for him as well. I bet there's many things he would do different if there is a next time. I also think he's signed a squad to cope with the demands of BBL and Europe. Not just Europe. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Nov 20, 2018 8:11:56 GMT
If its sustainable you have to enter - its that simple. You're a basketball club - you want to play at the best possible level and that's the bottom line. If that keeps better players in the league around then brilliant. Cant fault the club at all for it.
My issue comes with as much prep has been done off the floor I don't think that much has been done on it. Surely before you enter these types of competition you watch film to see how teams set up (appreciate personnel will change season on season but coaching styles will remain similar) to see what type of guy you're going to need to be able to compete with them. And with the exception of Stevenson (nobody knows how good he'd have been to be fair) and, Burnett out of necessity, and Larsson who's been nothing short of dreadful (and now the new big fella who looked ok in game one but struggled against Moses), he's stayed completely in his comfort zone with known quantities, a stack of wings and undersized 4s and no proper creative minded point guard. Appreciate budgets will dictate a lot in terms of quality, but looking outside of the BBL where they are in a comfort zone, theres a lack of creativity for others in the back court, an absolute log jam on the wings, and nothing in terms of big bodies up top. I just hoped for a bit more in what is clearly a talented coaching team.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 20, 2018 8:20:25 GMT
If its sustainable you have to enter - its that simple. You're a basketball club - you want to play at the best possible level and that's the bottom line. If that keeps better players in the league around then brilliant. Cant fault the club at all for it. My issue comes with as much prep has been done off the floor I don't think that much has been done on it. Surely before you enter these types of competition you watch film to see how teams set up (appreciate personnel will change season on season but coaching styles will remain similar) to see what type of guy you're going to need to be able to compete with them. And with the exception of Stevenson (nobody knows how good he'd have been to be fair) and, Burnett out of necessity, and Larsson who's been nothing short of dreadful (and now the new big fella who looked ok in game one but struggled against Moses), he's stayed completely in his comfort zone with known quantities, a stack of wings and undersized 4s and no proper creative minded point guard. Appreciate budgets will dictate a lot in terms of quality, but looking outside of the BBL where they are in a comfort zone, theres a lack of creativity for others in the back court, an absolute log jam on the wings, and nothing in terms of big bodies up top. I just hoped for a bit more in what is clearly a talented coaching team. All good stuff and no doubt valid Bigz. Despite that we haven't embarrassed ourselves on court at least. We've lost but we've competed. . If we did continue to enter I'm sure on the court we would improve. My bigger concern is off the court. And the difficulty the club have faced getting bums on seats. I think that's a harder challenge to find the answers for myself and more likely to be the reason if we don't do this again. How do you turn crowds of 500 into crowds of 1500 on a Wednesday night. Giving tickets away for free wouldn't even make it happen imo. And that's unsustainable regardless. Like I say I think on court is easier to solve than off court being honest. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Nov 20, 2018 8:25:49 GMT
If its sustainable you have to enter - its that simple. You're a basketball club - you want to play at the best possible level and that's the bottom line. If that keeps better players in the league around then brilliant. Cant fault the club at all for it. My issue comes with as much prep has been done off the floor I don't think that much has been done on it. Surely before you enter these types of competition you watch film to see how teams set up (appreciate personnel will change season on season but coaching styles will remain similar) to see what type of guy you're going to need to be able to compete with them. And with the exception of Stevenson (nobody knows how good he'd have been to be fair) and, Burnett out of necessity, and Larsson who's been nothing short of dreadful (and now the new big fella who looked ok in game one but struggled against Moses), he's stayed completely in his comfort zone with known quantities, a stack of wings and undersized 4s and no proper creative minded point guard. Appreciate budgets will dictate a lot in terms of quality, but looking outside of the BBL where they are in a comfort zone, theres a lack of creativity for others in the back court, an absolute log jam on the wings, and nothing in terms of big bodies up top. I just hoped for a bit more in what is clearly a talented coaching team. All good stuff and no doubt valid Bigz. Despite that we haven't embarrassed ourselves on court at least. We've lost but we've competed. . If we did continue to enter I'm sure on the court we would improve. My bigger concern is off the court. And the difficulty the club have faced getting bums on seats. I think that's a harder challenge to find the answers for myself and more likely to be the reason if we don't do this again. How do you turn crowds of 500 into crowds of 1500 on a Wednesday night. Giving tickets away for free wouldn't even make it happen imo. And that's unsustainable regardless. Agree with that - and its no doubt been a massive effort off the floor for little more reward than merely getting to compete in the competition (which isn't to be sniffed at in any way shape or form - its been a far better effort than the last team that tried put it that way, despite the fact I cant help but be a little disappointed for reasons both in and out of the clubs control).
I do hope it can continue, I really do because I do think you'll adapt to it in time - clubs shown it can do that over the past few years (still wanted it to be a bit more pre-emptive on the court though) - but yeah the biggest hurdle is bums on seats. I guess plan for the Europe cup over the Champions league next season and shift a few domestic fixtures round to accommodate? So the only fix the fans can get is a Wednesday night? Im not sure even that would help to be honest.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 20, 2018 8:27:01 GMT
Gonk there are words in my posts on previous page that have turned red and if you click on them lead to online shops?
Lol
I've not done it myself?
(Edit - Looks like it's stopped)
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Post by notoriousbigz on Nov 20, 2018 8:35:23 GMT
Gonk there are words in my posts on previous page that have turned red and if you click on them lead to online shops? Lol I've not done it myself? Apparently I'm a Crafts seller haha! |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 20, 2018 8:36:09 GMT
Gonk there are words in my posts on previous page that have turned red and if you click on them lead to online shops? Lol I've not done it myself? Apparently I'm a Crafts seller haha! Yep suits you |
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Post by Steven McTowelie on Nov 20, 2018 15:32:25 GMT
I think the opponents tomorrow have proved to be the best team in the group and assuming winning the group is valuable to them I think this will prove to be our hardest and toughest home game tbh. I think even if we give it our best shot these guys are capable of dominating from the start. But I guess you never know! Despite last week's result, the best team in the group on paper is comfortably Dinamo Sassari. We pushed a full strength Szolnoki Olaj team all the way at their place and I'd suggest we're capable of putting out a stronger side this time around. Burnett didn't play the away fixture. Martin obviously wasn't here then. Hampton played but was off the pace/ineffective. We're underdogs as always but If we play our best I certainly don't see us being dominated. I don't think victory is completely out of the question here and becoming the first BBL team to win a European fixture in ages would but a very nice positive to round off the campaign on. I hope we really go for it. My bigger concern is off the court. And the difficulty the club have faced getting bums on seats. I think that's a harder challenge to find the answers for myself and more likely to be the reason if we don't do this again. How do you turn crowds of 500 into crowds of 1500 on a Wednesday night. Giving tickets away for free wouldn't even make it happen imo. And that's unsustainable regardless. Like I say I think on court is easier to solve than off court being honest. Getting crowds in for midweek games was flagged as a potential obstacle years ago but I think there are quite a lot of things the club could do better (or at least different) before we conclude that it's an insurmountable one. You make it sound like the club has moved heaven and earth to get people through the doors for these games and it just hasn't happened. I don't see it that way at all. Personally I think the club has done virtually nothing in fact to market these games. It seems to me like they've just hoped that the interest would be there, rather than doing anything to create it. On the court, I think it's been a fair enough first try under difficult circumstances. Off the court, I'm not convinced we've done a particularly good job at all (surprisingly). Apparently you think we have. What am I missing? |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 20, 2018 15:41:31 GMT
I think the opponents tomorrow have proved to be the best team in the group and assuming winning the group is valuable to them I think this will prove to be our hardest and toughest home game tbh. I think even if we give it our best shot these guys are capable of dominating from the start. But I guess you never know! Despite last week's result, the best team in the group on paper is comfortably Dinamo Sassari. We pushed a full strength Szolnoki Olaj team all the way at their place and I'd suggest we're capable of putting out a stronger side this time around. Burnett didn't play the away fixture. Martin obviously wasn't here then. Hampton played but was off the pace/ineffective. We're underdogs as always but If we play our best I certainly don't see us being dominated. I don't think victory is completely out of the question here and becoming the first BBL team to win a European fixture in ages would but a very nice positive to round off the campaign on. I hope we really go for it. My bigger concern is off the court. And the difficulty the club have faced getting bums on seats. I think that's a harder challenge to find the answers for myself and more likely to be the reason if we don't do this again. How do you turn crowds of 500 into crowds of 1500 on a Wednesday night. Giving tickets away for free wouldn't  even make it happen imo. And that's unsustainable regardless. Like I say I think on court is easier to solve than off court being honest. Getting crowds in for midweek games was flagged as a potential obstacle years ago but I think there are quite a lot of things the club could do better (or at least different) before we conclude that it's an insurmountable one. You make it sound like the club has moved heaven and earth to get people through the doors for these games and it just hasn't happened. I don't see it that way at all. Personally I think the club has done virtually nothing in fact to market these games. It seems to me like they've just hoped that the interest would be there, rather than doing anything to create it. On the court, I think it's been a fair enough first try under difficult circumstances. Off the court, I'm not convinced we've done a particularly good job at all (surprisingly). Apparently you think we have. What am I missing? I don't think we've done a great job off the court. But then again I don't have any answers myself what we could do better tbh? Don't forget we have our BBL games to market at same time and any worthwhile marketing other than within our own social media etc normally brings a cost I know there's stuff could be done. Biggest help would be the local tv showing an interest in the games. I guess we need to make that happen. Tyler managed this kind of thing last season I think? |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Nov 20, 2018 15:46:53 GMT
So far as it goes, I think the club have done a great job in ensuring that this year's foray into European competition has been done in an immediately sustainable way and does not run the club into the ground whilst at the same time not needing to rely on gate receipt to make it a goer.
I said nothing however about it being sustainable long term.
Re: Marketing, I don't know how much has or hasn't been done locally, but I've not seen anything over and above the norm on social media to be fair.
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Post by massiveridersfan on Nov 20, 2018 16:23:12 GMT
I'd like us to hire some hoarding space in key locations where there's a lot of footfall and/or traffic so that we advertise Riders in general. Fed up of people looking surprised and asking me where the arena is located. Club could address that at a relatively low cost.
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Post by saintpat on Nov 20, 2018 16:45:55 GMT
Shhhh! Keep it quiet but I'd rather like it if Riders won this one. They've made big efforts to make this work & I'd like to see them rewarded with a win. It would do them & the BBL agreat deal of good.
I'm never likely to say this again!!
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Post by foxprorawks on Nov 20, 2018 19:06:33 GMT
...and yet I think Falco Volcano is a cracking name ... sounds like a James Bond Baddie Organisation I can just see it now: BigZ ... "Do you expect me to talk play ...Falco? " Volacano ... "No BigZ ... I expect you to die sit on the end of the bench" BigZ ...  I loved Rock Me Amadeus. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 20, 2018 22:20:00 GMT
I think the opponents tomorrow have proved to be the best team in the group and assuming winning the group is valuable to them I think this will prove to be our hardest and toughest home game tbh. I think even if we give it our best shot these guys are capable of dominating from the start. But I guess you never know! Despite last week's result, the best team in the group on paper is comfortably Dinamo Sassari. We pushed a full strength Szolnoki Olaj team all the way at their place and I'd suggest we're capable of putting out a stronger side this time around. Burnett didn't play the away fixture. Martin obviously wasn't here then. Hampton played but was off the pace/ineffective. We're underdogs as always but If we play our best I certainly don't see us being dominated. I don't think victory is completely out of the question here and becoming the first BBL team to win a European fixture in ages would but a very nice positive to round off the campaign on. I hope we really go for it. My bigger concern is off the court. And the difficulty the club have faced getting bums on seats. I think that's a harder challenge to find the answers for myself and more likely to be the reason if we don't do this again. How do you turn crowds of 500 into crowds of 1500 on a Wednesday night. Giving tickets away for free wouldn't even make it happen imo. And that's unsustainable regardless. Like I say I think on court is easier to solve than off court being honest. Getting crowds in for midweek games was flagged as a potential obstacle years ago but I think there are quite a lot of things the club could do better (or at least different) before we conclude that it's an insurmountable one. You make it sound like the club has moved heaven and earth to get people through the doors for these games and it just hasn't happened. I don't see it that way at all. Personally I think the club has done virtually nothing in fact to market these games. It seems to me like they've just hoped that the interest would be there, rather than doing anything to create it. On the court, I think it's been a fair enough first try under difficult circumstances. Off the court, I'm not convinced we've done a particularly good job at all (surprisingly). Apparently you think we have. What am I missing? Sassari may be the best team on paper but on court Olaj have been better. They should have beaten the Italians away and led by a large amount late on and it was only in the last minute of the game the Italians came back to win. Whereas in Hungary Olaj beat Sassari easily. I do think they are the strongest team in the group on court. And I think we will struggle tomorrow being honest. Would love to be proved wrong. |
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Post by 2NFR on Nov 21, 2018 17:34:13 GMT
still trying to decide whether to watch Euro GB game or this lot
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Post by notoriousbigz on Nov 21, 2018 17:35:35 GMT
This lot.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 21, 2018 19:22:09 GMT
It's live now for anyone who wants it on youtube
We've started well and Martin looking very good so far
30-22 riders
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Post by 2NFR on Nov 21, 2018 19:30:37 GMT
A few more in this week I see
time out ... 32 - 28 ... 4 mins left in 2nd
Good start by Riders
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Post by 2NFR on Nov 21, 2018 19:40:14 GMT
38 - 38 ... at the half
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Post by 2NFR on Nov 21, 2018 19:46:23 GMT
Larsson's having a good game
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Post by 2NFR on Nov 21, 2018 20:13:53 GMT
57 - 57 ... end of 3rd
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Post by baldereagle on Nov 21, 2018 20:14:35 GMT
57-57 with 10min to go - for once I'm with Riders !
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Post by interestedridersfan on Nov 21, 2018 20:15:12 GMT
57-57 end of third
We win BBL games from this position due to our experience and nous
However, at this level do the Hungarians have more nous than us?
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Post by 2NFR on Nov 21, 2018 20:30:15 GMT
77 - 81 ... time out Riders ... 1.17 to go
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Post by 2NFR on Nov 21, 2018 20:33:20 GMT
77 - 81 ... timeout ... 29 secs to go
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