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Post by number23 on Apr 18, 2019 17:11:35 GMT
Bit late to the party with my thoughts on this - thanks to davef and others for building on the thinking behind some of what's been announced.
> Delighted with the return of three-game playoffs, long overdue. I always thought venue costs were the big stumbling block to doing it, so I wonder what will be arranged to mitigate this. (Could Lions have Sportsdock on standby for a third leg, rather than the more expensive Copper Box?)
> On the whole, I'm also happy with the league moving to home and away games, but with reservations. I'm not a fan of aggregate score as a tiebreak, but if that's the price of removing the lopsided 'home+away+1' structure then I'll live with it. Much bigger concern to me is the reduction of the number of games in the league, which I'll come onto below...
> I like that there's a clear distinction in structure between the 'Cup' and 'Trophy', but I completely agree with whoever said the format of the two should be switched so the Cup remains a knockout contest. (I'd leave the non-BBL teams in the knockout content, but with expanded qualifying as mentioned elsewhere.)
> I'm not sure how well taking up the first two months of the season with the new 'Cup' competition will work. I can certainly see teams with limited budgets leaving it later to bring in their imports/etc as suggested on MT. I suppose teams might take the lower end of their bench more seriously if they're going to be seeing more minutes in the early weeks, but I still wonder about the impact on the quality of the competition and on crowds.
> The ratio of games between the 'Cup' and league feels wrong; I can see the argument that reducing the league gives the play-offs more prominence (which is no bad thing), but the league should be head-and-shoulders above either of the other two contests in my mind. I'm very much among those hoping that the league is able to expand by a couple of teams in the very near future, which could see the league start earlier in November and the 'Cup' reduced accordingly by having more, smaller groups.
> I think there was a mention that the 'Cup' phase of the season is still likely to see double-headers - wouldn't that overlap with the period Riders tried to avoid all domestic games for this season?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 17:41:29 GMT
Best of 3 playoffs seems like a positive step. The rest I'm largely ambivalent on. That, we can agree on. |
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Post by dc on Apr 18, 2019 21:54:32 GMT
Best of 3 playoffs seems like a positive step. The rest I'm largely ambivalent on. I don’t like the current imbalance on the home/away league games. Home advantage does seem to have a big impact in the league so changing to an even number seems fairer. I’m not in favour of a shorter league and promoting a cup competition. I would have favoured splitting the league 6&6 North/South. Teams play everyone in their section 4 times (2 home 2 away) and everyone in the other section twice (home and away) total of 32 games. That would give you a North and South Champion and then onto the playoffs. I’ll wait and see but I fear the cup competition will be treated like a pre-season and will result in some clubs holding back spending until the league kicks off. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 3:56:57 GMT
Best of 3 playoffs seems like a positive step. The rest I'm largely ambivalent on. I don’t like the current imbalance on the home/away league games. Home advantage does seem to have a big impact in the league so changing to an even number seems fairer. I’m not in favour of a shorter league and promoting a cup competition. I would have favoured splitting the league 6&6 North/South. Teams play everyone in their section 4 times (2 home 2 away) and everyone in the other section twice (home and away) total of 32 games. That would give you a North and South Champion and then onto the playoffs. I’ll wait and see but I fear the cup competition will be treated like a pre-season and will result in some clubs holding back spending until the league kicks off. I've literally written an entire proposal exactly like that. |
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Post by davef on Apr 19, 2019 8:39:48 GMT
We tried conferences before (2001-2003)
Totally unsatisfactory.
No formal league winners. Numerous ‘dead games’
Could only do it with an NBA style playoff system to determine true champions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 13:46:38 GMT
We tried conferences before (2001-2003) Totally unsatisfactory. No formal league winners. Numerous ‘dead games’ Could only do it with an NBA style playoff system to determine true champions. Which is easily implementable with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 14:57:58 GMT
The conferences would be heavily imbalanced. A probable 3 of this seasons top 4 would be in the North.
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Post by dc on Apr 19, 2019 16:58:10 GMT
The conferences would be heavily imbalanced. A probable 3 of this seasons top 4 would be in the North. Not over yet and a couple of weeks Royals looked a stick on for top 4. Doesn’t have to be North / South. Could be seeded and drawn every year based on previous year(s) performance. I’d be in favour of ditching both cups for an extended play-off series. |
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Post by saintpat on Apr 19, 2019 20:54:56 GMT
The conferences would be heavily imbalanced. A probable 3 of this seasons top 4 would be in the North. 1. Would Leicester be in the North? 2. Only because Rocks finally decided that they could play basketball once they had a proper coach! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 20:59:07 GMT
The conferences would be heavily imbalanced. A probable 3 of this seasons top 4 would be in the North. 1. Would Leicester be in the North? 2. Only because Rocks finally decided that they could play basketball once they had a proper coach! I think so but my English geography isn't known for being good. I figured Worcester, Bristol, Plymouth, Surrey and Londons would be the South? I think we owe our position to Sharks' implosion as much as our coach! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 8:40:54 GMT
The conferences would be heavily imbalanced. A probable 3 of this seasons top 4 would be in the North. Imbalanced NOW, sure. But Southern teams realising that a conference system gives them more of a legitimate shot at a playoff finals could change their entire recruitment process. Besides, Leicester and Newcastle up North. London and London City down South. Doesn't seem that imbalanced to me. It'll never be exact, of course but it's not that far apart really. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 8:48:22 GMT
The conferences would be heavily imbalanced. A probable 3 of this seasons top 4 would be in the North. Imbalanced NOW, sure. But Southern teams realising that a conference system gives them more of a legitimate shot at a playoff finals could change their entire recruitment process. Besides, Leicester and Newcastle up North. London and London City down South. Doesn't seem that imbalanced to me. It'll never be exact, of course but it's not that far apart really. Royals, really? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 10:25:15 GMT
The hatred of the conference system was the one thing that united Bevvers back when it was in place. While it would be better with best of three play-offs, you'd all hate within about 3 months
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 19:34:49 GMT
The hatred of the conference system was the one thing that united Bevvers back when it was in place. While it would be better with best of three play-offs, you'd all hate within about 3 months Hear hear. The 4th trip to Northgate got a bit much! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 21:25:06 GMT
Imbalanced NOW, sure. But Southern teams realising that a conference system gives them more of a legitimate shot at a playoff finals could change their entire recruitment process. Besides, Leicester and Newcastle up North. London and London City down South. Doesn't seem that imbalanced to me. It'll never be exact, of course but it's not that far apart really. Royals, really? You think anyone wants to face them in a playoff series? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 21:25:28 GMT
The hatred of the conference system was the one thing that united Bevvers back when it was in place. While it would be better with best of three play-offs, you'd all hate within about 3 months Why would we hate it? |
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Post by dc on Apr 20, 2019 21:53:25 GMT
We’ll see what attendances, squad recruitment and performances are like for the pre-season cup.
Personally I’m thinking the season ticket for Rocks might not be the way to go and go game to game for the 11 league games.
Conference looks to me like the way to go.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 22:10:35 GMT
You think anyone wants to face them in a playoff series? Cheshire probably wouldn't mind. They're a decent side but not really in the same class as an Eagles or a Riders. Similar record to Rocks and Sharks. Not exactly spectacular. |
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Post by sussexbantam on Apr 20, 2019 23:11:18 GMT
We’ll see what attendances, squad recruitment and performances are like for the pre-season cup. Personally I’m thinking the season ticket for Rocks might not be the way to go and go game to game for the 11 league games. Conference looks to me like the way to go. I was thinking along the same lines - I thought I'd get a season ticket for Scorchers for next year. Despite all the problems this year I've enjoyed the games and, more importantly, my daughter has too. She has kept on wanting to go to games whilst I feared she might lose interest in the face of a losing season. Now I think I'll just buy game by game tickets and see how the squads shape up for the Cup. Given the suppose budgets at Scorchers I wouldn't at all be surprised if we "threw" the Cup to afford a slightly better squad for the league season., |
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Post by spaghettihoops on Apr 23, 2019 7:22:35 GMT
Does a 2-0 head-to-head still take precedence to separate teams on equal points? i.e. It will only come down to aggregate scores if the teams are 1-1?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 7:34:15 GMT
If you win 2-0 you'd have the aggregate score anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 17:35:22 GMT
The hatred of the conference system was the one thing that united Bevvers back when it was in place. While it would be better with best of three play-offs, you'd all hate within about 3 months Why would we hate it? Everyone did before. Some thoughts/reminiscing |
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Post by spaghettihoops on Apr 23, 2019 19:26:52 GMT
If you win 2-0 you'd have the aggregate score anyway? Christ. Yes of course. Just seemed like a big deal was being made of it when surely a lot of tied positions would be decided on wins anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 21:10:32 GMT
I'm still all-in on conferences. It's been over 15 years since that, to say "it was hated before" is weak. This is a whole different generation. We've got an even number of teams and make it four teams out of each conference, keeping the playoff format introduced for 2019-20. Right now the playoffs are worthless. They have to mean something. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Apr 24, 2019 8:34:57 GMT
I'm still all-in on conferences. It's been over 15 years since that, to say "it was hated before" is weak. This is a whole different generation. We've got an even number of teams and make it four teams out of each conference, keeping the playoff format introduced for 2019-20. Right now the playoffs are worthless. They have to mean something. You can only play to your audience though I guess, and you only have to look at the opinions on here to know that most fans value the league over the playoffs (which as far as I'm concerned is wrong but who am I?!).
If you wanted to add value to the playoffs, and this may be controversial, take the trophy away from the team that finishes top of the league.
I'm not sure theres enough teams just yet for conferences.
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