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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 7:04:10 GMT
Apologies to those who feel there should be others in this list. In reality, we know it's a straight fight between about 4 - 5 guys. Hopefully the main contenders have been captured.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 26, 2019 21:25:49 GMT
I voted Clayton this morning
Would like to swap to Robinson now!!
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Post by massiveridersfan on Apr 27, 2019 15:11:37 GMT
I voted Clayton this morning Would like to swap to Robinson now!! Problem with being an early adopter! |
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Post by number23 on Apr 27, 2019 17:29:12 GMT
I voted for Robinson - just couldn’t see past his all-around contribution to Lions, much as I was tempted by Clayton and what he’s been able to do for Giants.
Not at all surprised by the names in the top three, a little surprised by the gap for the current #1!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 17:57:22 GMT
I voted Robinson too. I think his quality and influence will only truly become clear when he leaves.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 21:40:15 GMT
Far too many options on here.
At the end of the day, MVP award needs to go to a player that's had such a big impact on his team that the results for that team have put them in a great position heading into the playoffs. Because of that I'd only look at teams in the top four.
Votes for Clayton are pretty useless because they've likely finished third from bottom. He's the MVP of his team, sure, but if the team aren't good then he's not the league's MVP.
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Post by sussexbantam on Apr 27, 2019 22:10:41 GMT
Far too many options on here. At the end of the day, MVP award needs to go to a player that's had such a big impact on his team that the results for that team have put them in a great position heading into the playoffs. Because of that I'd only look at teams in the top four. Votes for Clayton are pretty useless because they've likely finished third from bottom. He's the MVP of his team, sure, but if the team aren't good then he's not the league's MVP. Why ? Surely its harder to be a great player in a terrible team than a great player in a great team ? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 6:43:20 GMT
Far too many options on here. At the end of the day, MVP award needs to go to a player that's had such a big impact on his team that the results for that team have put them in a great position heading into the playoffs. Because of that I'd only look at teams in the top four. Votes for Clayton are pretty useless because they've likely finished third from bottom. He's the MVP of his team, sure, but if the team aren't good then he's not the league's MVP. Why ? Surely its harder to be a great player in a terrible team than a great player in a great team ? If you're a great player in a great team, it's likely you're a better player than a great player on a bad team. It's easier to find a diamond in a pile of **** than it is to stand out as a diamond in a pile of other diamonds. |
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Post by faz on Apr 28, 2019 7:32:02 GMT
On a different note I’m guessing BMA has the biggest salary and Hamilton the second biggest. BMA has returned decent stats and Hamilton turned it in for the trophy final. For the hype and salaries I’ve been pretty disappointed. Ok Hamilton only played half a year but BMA didn’t get one vote. I’m guessing Justin probably has the third highest pay check but he’s pretty much delivered week in week out. Donte is a worthy contender and although Raiders arn’t as deep as others I think as a team they’ve under delivered this year. Justin all day long for me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 7:35:10 GMT
You think a team who haven't won more then 10 games winning nearly 7 years winning nearly double the amount is under delivering? We can still finish 6th
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Post by faz on Apr 28, 2019 7:58:28 GMT
You think a team who haven't won more then 10 games winning nearly 7 years winning nearly double the amount is under delivering? We can still finish 6th Being absurdly run in previous years is irrelevant to this year’s performances. I thought you were in for a comfortable top 4. |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Apr 28, 2019 8:00:00 GMT
I think Raiders are at a disadvantage (same as Rocks) because of the amount of tiring travel they have all season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 8:49:30 GMT
You think a team who haven't won more then 10 games winning nearly 7 years winning nearly double the amount is under delivering? We can still finish 6th 6 of 12, the middle, the defiinition of average.
Brooklyn Nets have been a mess for years, you see anyone calling for D'Angelo Russell for MVP now they made the first round?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 8:56:53 GMT
Tbf, Clayton and Nicholas are putting up historical numbers.
Plus, we're not talking Brent Benson at Birmingham here. These are excellent players in decent teams.
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Post by sussexbantam on Apr 28, 2019 21:32:32 GMT
Why ? Surely its harder to be a great player in a terrible team than a great player in a great team ? If you're a great player in a great team, it's likely you're a better player than a great player on a bad team. It's easier to find a diamond in a pile of **** than it is to stand out as a diamond in a pile of other diamonds. It’s much harder to play well when the other 4 are below average then when the 4 are also superstars |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 23:19:59 GMT
If you're a great player in a great team, it's likely you're a better player than a great player on a bad team. It's easier to find a diamond in a pile of **** than it is to stand out as a diamond in a pile of other diamonds. It’s much harder to play well when the other 4 are below average then when the 4 are also superstars Which makes you your teams most valuable player, not the leagues. |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Apr 29, 2019 6:32:07 GMT
I think Robinson will be nailed on for MVP with the coaches now Lions have secured the league title. To me it doesn't matter where the player's team finishes if they put up numbers like Nicholas and Clayton. One player can't drag a team to a top four finish.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 7:25:43 GMT
I think Robinson will be nailed on for MVP with the coaches now Lions have secured the league title. To me it doesn't matter where the player's team finishes if they put up numbers like Nicholas and Clayton. One player can't drag a team to a top four finish. Which again is a reason for them to be their team's most valuable player. They're not most valuable to the league. Manchester lose Clayton and they still don't make the playoffs. Great stuff. More argument for Nicholas but still not pushed the team far enough forward. |
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Post by sussexbantam on Apr 29, 2019 8:11:00 GMT
I think Robinson will be nailed on for MVP with the coaches now Lions have secured the league title. To me it doesn't matter where the player's team finishes if they put up numbers like Nicholas and Clayton. One player can't drag a team to a top four finish. Which again is a reason for them to be their team's most valuable player. They're not most valuable to the league. Manchester lose Clayton and they still don't make the playoffs. Great stuff. More argument for Nicholas but still not pushed the team far enough forward. Lions would still have won many, many games without Robinson. In that sense you could argue that he wasn't at all "valuable". Arguably they may even have won the league without him - although that is unprovable either way of course. I'm not arguing that he was not valuable of course - what I'm saying is picking the best player from the best team is not the right way to decide the MVP |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 29, 2019 8:44:14 GMT
Which again is a reason for them to be their team's most valuable player. They're not most valuable to the league. Manchester lose Clayton and they still don't make the playoffs. Great stuff. More argument for Nicholas but still not pushed the team far enough forward. Lions would still have won many, many games without Robinson. In that sense you could argue that he wasn't at all "valuable". Arguably they may even have won the league without him - although that is unprovable either way of course. I'm not arguing that he was not valuable of course - what I'm saying is picking the best player from the best team is not the right way to decide the MVP If he's turned a team that wasn't going to win the league into league winners then I do class that as being MVP myself I believe Drew did the same for us but he missed out back then I hope Robinson doesn't miss out |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Apr 29, 2019 8:46:02 GMT
Lions would still have won many, many games without Robinson. In that sense you could argue that he wasn't at all "valuable". Arguably they may even have won the league without him - although that is unprovable either way of course. I'm not arguing that he was not valuable of course - what I'm saying is picking the best player from the best team is not the right way to decide the MVP If he's turned a team that wasn't going to win the league into league winners then I do class that as being MVP myself I believe Drew did the same for us but he missed out back then I hope Robinson doesn't miss out No Robinson no title for Lions I'm afraid. They probably finish 3rd or even 4th.
I'm not sure why its even a debate tbh - he's definitely the league MVP.
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Post by sussexbantam on Apr 29, 2019 9:29:01 GMT
My only point is that “Picking the best player from the best team” is not the way to decide the MVP.
Robinson is a great player who has a huge influence - you may well be right that he is also the MVP but, and this was the original discussion thread, saying you have to finish top 4 to be considered is not right
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Post by notoriousbigz on Apr 29, 2019 9:36:37 GMT
My only point is that “Picking the best player from the best team” is not the way to decide the MVP. Robinson is a great player who has a huge influence - you may well be right that he is also the MVP but, and this was the original discussion thread, saying you have to finish top 4 to be considered is not right No I don't think it is right to say that if you're not in the top 4 you instantly can't win MVP. Clayton and Nicholas both have added a lot of value to their respective teams and are rightly in the running, however when it comes to the final decision for me I think a real difference maker is what the wider context of a player's value really is.
In this case, we have a guy who has got ridiculous stats and propelled his team to wins they probably wouldn't have otherwise got (Clayton), a player who if he wasn't on his team they probably don't make playoffs (Nicholas), and a guy that if he isn't on his team, they probably don't make one final and win two trophies.
It has to be a difference maker.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Apr 29, 2019 9:53:01 GMT
My only point is that “Picking the best player from the best team” is not the way to decide the MVP. Robinson is a great player who has a huge influence - you may well be right that he is also the MVP but, and this was the original discussion thread, saying you have to finish top 4 to be considered is not right Last 3 seasons it's gone to players not on the best team This year I don't think it should. He has made the difference to make them the best team IMO |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 10:08:48 GMT
Which again is a reason for them to be their team's most valuable player. They're not most valuable to the league. Manchester lose Clayton and they still don't make the playoffs. Great stuff. More argument for Nicholas but still not pushed the team far enough forward. Lions would still have won many, many games without Robinson. In that sense you could argue that he wasn't at all "valuable". Arguably they may even have won the league without him - although that is unprovable either way of course. I'm not arguing that he was not valuable of course - what I'm saying is picking the best player from the best team is not the right way to decide the MVP They'd be 6th without him. They've got some excellent players alongside him but he organises and controls the team in a way the coaches don't, and never have. He's utterly critical to their success. |
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