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Post by massiveridersfan on Aug 21, 2019 23:21:08 GMT
Bit surprised we may have signed another guard. Well with Mo Walker, Andy Thomson, Jesse Chuku and Harrison Gamble, surely we have enough bigs? Thomson may not last a season, Gamble is a useful bench player at best. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 6:01:57 GMT
Isn't Gamble a 2 guard anyway?
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Post by massiveridersfan on Aug 22, 2019 10:13:50 GMT
Isn't Gamble a 2 guard anyway? He's about 6' 10" - and definitely not a guard. |
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Post by boshspice on Aug 22, 2019 10:24:55 GMT
I think what Mr T is getting at is that Gamble offers next to nothing in terms of a big man skill set.
He usually camps out on the 3 point line offensively, thus making his playing style more like that of a 2 guard than a big man.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Aug 22, 2019 11:42:11 GMT
As of now we haven't signed Gamble. He certainly hasn't been announced if we have?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 12:09:28 GMT
Go ask him his position, certainly thinks hes a 2 guard
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Post by Steven McTowelie on Aug 22, 2019 16:37:59 GMT
Harrison Gamble is not a SG.
If this Henderson rumour is true I think it's very unlikely that he's a replacement for one of the other new guys. Seems they only arrived a few days ago. Not even we get rid of players that fast. What it would more likely indicate is that Rob isn't entirely happy with Lascelles as his only backup to Cartwright. Which I can understand. On a bit of paper Henderson looks pretty similar to Kiefer Douse. A combo guard who was a decent performer in a mid-low end NCAA Div 1 conference. No British passport by the looks of it but that doesn't really matter given the pieces already in place. I reckon he ought to be a fairly good bench player in this league. That being said, I'd have preferred us to use our final US slot on a forward. I actually agree with a comment from earlier in this thread regarding TrayVonn. He surely won't be back and performing at last season's level he'd be little use to us anyway but I think a player of that type (i.e. a natural 3 with the size/athleticism to play some 4) would be the ideal compliment to what we already have. All the more so if Gamble isn't returning. He's not very good, obviously, but he does add a bit of depth and shooting to our frontcourt.
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Post by baldeagle on Aug 22, 2019 19:13:31 GMT
Maybe Riders are going to surprise us with a final blockbuster Brit/Euro forward signing - you know, the sort of spend that Royals would go for.....?
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Post by massiveridersfan on Aug 22, 2019 19:17:30 GMT
Harrison Gamble is not a SG. If this Henderson rumour is true I think it's very unlikely that he's a replacement for one of the other new guys. Seems they only arrived a few days ago. Not even we get rid of players that fast. What it would more likely indicate is that Rob isn't entirely happy with Lascelles as his only backup to Cartwright. Which I can understand. On a bit of paper Henderson looks pretty similar to Kiefer Douse. A combo guard who was a decent performer in a mid-low end NCAA Div 1 conference. No British passport by the looks of it but that doesn't really matter given the pieces already in place. I reckon he ought to be a fairly good bench player in this league. That being said, I'd have preferred us to use our final US slot on a forward. I actually agree with a comment from earlier in this thread regarding TrayVonn. He surely won't be back and performing at last season's level he'd be little use to us anyway but I think a player of that type (i.e. a natural 3 with the size/athleticism to play some 4) would be the ideal compliment to what we already have. All the more so if Gamble isn't returning. He's not very good, obviously, but he does add a bit of depth and shooting to our frontcourt. Agree entirely. |
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Post by baldeagle on Aug 22, 2019 19:21:00 GMT
Nope, I don’t buy it. Recruiting an import player who won’t start (or at least play 25+ mins as 6th man) is a waste of a slot for me.
But Rob knows a lot more about this stuff than me!
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Post by bagger on Aug 22, 2019 19:57:04 GMT
I am puzzled T.J. Henderson played at an NAIA College not NCAA 1. Right or Wrong?  ?? |
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Post by baldeagle on Aug 22, 2019 20:20:13 GMT
I am puzzled T.J. Henderson played at an NAIA College not NCAA 1. Right or Wrong?  ?? Right AND wrong. 3 years at NCAA1 INPUI (Indiana Purdue at Indianapolis - not to be confused with the “real” Purdue) where he came off the bench but played about 19 mins a game - averaging 7pts. Then obviously got fed up not starting and moved to Marian Uni in Indiana. NAIA div 2. Played 30 mins a game for about 17 pts. Wouldn't knock NAIA. Good examples of terrific NAIA players include Lasker and Moses from Eagles last year. |
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Post by MansfieldMike on Aug 22, 2019 20:21:20 GMT
I am puzzled T.J. Henderson played at an NAIA College not NCAA 1. Right or Wrong? ?? Right and wrong, he played for Marian Knights and before that he played for IUPUI(Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis). |
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Post by Steven McTowelie on Aug 23, 2019 2:09:52 GMT
Nope, I don’t buy it. Recruiting an import player who won’t start (or at least play 25+ mins as 6th man) is a waste of a slot for me. But Rob knows a lot more about this stuff than me! Unsure whether you're being serious here or not. There will be starters who don't see that kind of court time. Hampton never averaged more than 23 mpg during his three year stint at the club and I imagine he was making a lot more than this guy would be. I think we've probably got all our starters now so any additional signings, regardless of their nationality, are likely to be bench players. I'm not expecting any more blockbuster announcements personally but if we do fill both remaining overseas slots I'll be plenty happy with what we've got. If Henderson turns out to be the final piece I think we'll have put together a (potentially) very strong 10 but I do think we'll be a bit light at SF. |
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Post by Steven McTowelie on Aug 23, 2019 2:46:22 GMT
A very lengthy montage of Henderson's senior year at Marian. Decent athlete, PG handle and looks like he can really score. I was a little unsure at first but I'm increasingly hoping this rumour is true...
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Post by interestedridersfan on Aug 23, 2019 4:18:56 GMT
Nope, I don’t buy it. Recruiting an import player who won’t start (or at least play 25+ mins as 6th man) is a waste of a slot for me. But Rob knows a lot more about this stuff than me! Unsure whether you're being serious here or not. There will be starters who don't see that kind of court time. Hampton never averaged more than 23 mpg during his three year stint at the club and I imagine he was making a lot more than this guy would be. I think we've probably got all our starters now so any additional signings, regardless of their nationality, are likely to be bench players. I'm not expecting any more blockbuster announcements personally but if we do fill both remaining overseas slots I'll be plenty happy with what we've got. If Henderson turns out to be the final piece I think we'll have put together a (potentially) very strong 10 but I do think we'll be a bit light at SF. Baldeagle is far too used to seeing 2 or 3 talented individuals playing 30 mins plus to realise there may be a better "team" way to win things in the current BBL setup Long may it stay like that up in Newcastle |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Aug 23, 2019 4:19:46 GMT
Nope, I don’t buy it. Recruiting an import player who won’t start (or at least play 25+ mins as 6th man) is a waste of a slot for me. But Rob knows a lot more about this stuff than me! Yep you and Fab together |
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Post by baldeagle on Aug 23, 2019 6:02:43 GMT
Well, fair to say we disagree on that! For me an import needs to be either a starter or of starter quality. Of course this guy may be. Hampton certainly was.
Ultimately it all comes down to squad balance and depends on whether Riders have a terrific UK/ Euro recruit at the small forward spot - or maybe the plan is for this to be occupied by Washington/ Scott/ Ward-Hibbert? Two of those three are really small small forwards.
Time will tell.
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Post by massiveridersfan on Aug 23, 2019 7:01:35 GMT
I like the way Henderson can rattle off a shot despite being quite closely marked as well as make it to the hoop with some speed if an opening presents itself. Quite a few times on the tape when I was surprised he was able to get a shot away despite the close attention of defenders.
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Post by baldeagle on Aug 23, 2019 7:18:26 GMT
TBF so does Scott. Leicester will be strong in the backcourt, but they should have if they have recruited three US guards. I’m more worried about whoever they still have to announce!
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Post by massiveridersfan on Aug 23, 2019 7:23:15 GMT
TBF so does Scott. Leicester will be strong in the backcourt, but they should have if they have recruited three US guards. I’m more worried about whoever they still have to announce! I'm more worried that we are finished with announcements except, perhaps, for Henderson? |
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Post by Steven McTowelie on Aug 23, 2019 14:35:31 GMT
Well, fair to say we disagree on that! For me an import needs to be either a starter or of starter quality. Of course this guy may be. Hampton certainly was. Ultimately it all comes down to squad balance and depends on whether Riders have a terrific UK/ Euro recruit at the small forward spot - or maybe the plan is for this to be occupied by Washington/ Scott/ Ward-Hibbert? Two of those three are really small small forwards. Time will tell. Why? Why does it have to be that way? Surely the only thing that matters when all is said and done is that a team has a strong, balanced 9/10/11 man squad. I don't see why it's imperative that any player who happens to have been born outside the UK plays 25+ mpg? If we have indeed signed Henderson, I'm confident that we'll have multiple Brits on our roster who will all be making more than him. Surely how much money a player is on has greater relevance to the size of his role than geography? Conner Washington definitely won't be playing any SF for us. Our wings are Anderson, Wright, Scott and Ward-Hibbert. Anderson probably the only natural 3 there. Like I've said, I do agree that we could use another forward but I don't think that player needs to be anything like a superstar for us to look very strong on paper. We've already added certainly one, possibly two top drawer BBL Brits this off season. They were announced a little while ago now. I'm beginning to think some have already forgotten. TBF so does Scott. Leicester will be strong in the backcourt, but they should have if they have recruited three US guards. I’m more worried about whoever they still have to announce! I think Scott (who has an Italian passport) is probably gonna be more the catch and shoot type. Henderson likely to offer far more as a ball handler/slasher/all round scorer. And Cartwright, statistically at least looks to be in the pass first PG mould. Whilst it's technically true that all are 'guards' it's a bit misleading describing them in that fashion as it makes it sound like we've signed the same player three times. In reality, they're probably all quite different. If you mean that last sentence I think you're rather sleeping on what we've potentially already put together. But I'd love for your concerns to be valid. If we do have some superstar forward still to announce you should definitely be afraid... Positively terrified in fact. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Aug 23, 2019 17:32:52 GMT
Eagles have key players play 30 mins plus most games
Soon as they get injured they can't cope
Imagine Eagles with fletch out injured
The way we set up we can handle key injuries every week
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Post by gloryeagle on Aug 23, 2019 20:11:52 GMT
Nope, I don’t buy it. Recruiting an import player who won’t start (or at least play 25+ mins as 6th man) is a waste of a slot for me. But Rob knows a lot more about this stuff than me! We did it when we won the sweep in 2011/12 |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Aug 23, 2019 21:09:41 GMT
Eagles have key players play 30 mins plus most games Soon as they get injured they can't cope Imagine Eagles with fletch out injured The way we set up we can handle key injuries every week Do you just make this stuff up as you go along or what? I mean basketball knowledge is one thing but stats? Christ you can look them up. Eagles had as many players play over 30mpg as riders last season.... 1. |
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