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Post by fauxnicks on Dec 27, 2019 22:38:15 GMT
This has been on the cards since start of the season - has any due diligence been completed?
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Post by warewolf on Dec 28, 2019 0:53:20 GMT
Doesn't sound good and not a good look for the league, I hope they can find a way through it although that statement is pretty clear. From the outside it looked like they were hosing away cash, also with my marketing hat on, two London Franchises is very hard work from a financial standpoint, Lions have developed a good brand whereas Royals feel more like a manufactured boy band, a couple of big hits, cash in quick and then the money runs out and it's back to the Saturday job at the filling station.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 28, 2019 1:17:26 GMT
They've done the hard bit making that announcement
You don't call a game off and make statements like that lightly
So unless they win the lottery next few days or someone who wants to lose some money fast steps forward its all over for them I think
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Post by tvtigersfan on Dec 28, 2019 8:10:53 GMT
What absolute farce the London City Royals have descended into. As my local team, I’d been going regularly since January this year and had enjoyed watching top level British players such as Bryan-Amaning, Hamilton and Lawrence do their stuff.
There was a point towards the end of last season, where I made contact with the owner and was pushing for the club to adopt a sustainable PR strategy. It obviously never happened and any press coverage they received was one off pieces about the doomed Lav Twins experiment. But having met Nhamo and Junior Williams, I was confident the club was in the hands of people who cared, even if it wasn’t reflected in the attendance figures...
That changed this season. The mass exodus/clearout has not only financially contributed to their seemingly inevitable demise but ripped the heart out of the club. The cracks were papered over by big attendances and phenomenal atmospheres for the Flyers and Lions home Cup fixtures but it has been downhill since then. I’d hoped they would be able to turn it around - after all, the quality on the court was there. But it was just never a professional outfit off the court and that, coupled with a now obvious lack of understanding of how to build a community basketball club in the BBL has cost them. For example, the game day MC knew little about the league or sport and I’ve received the same marketing email selling tickets for an October fixture every week for months on end.
Literally months ago, the owner was talking about moving to Wembley Arena, getting big name music stars to perform at half-time and playing in Europe, with Euroleague participation earmarked in the near future. He said the best British talent across Europe wanted to come and play for them - apart from Lawrence, that didn’t materialise. Despite the lack of structure and continuation needed to build a fan base, I stuck with them as the match day experience rapidly deteriorated, still attending most home games.
However, it was the cock up surrounding the Glasgow fixture that did for me. The BBL investigation has revealed Royals could have fulfilled the fixture and made no attempt to postpone the game via the correct channels. I’ve seen plenty of unprofessionalism in the BBL but this comes close to topping it.
Ironically, I’ve now moved to Surrey and Scorchers are my local team again, having previously been a Heat supporter before the move from the Spectrum and their subsequent rebrand. So it looks like Scorchers have regained an old fan in me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 8:50:38 GMT
So it's your fault you supported Tigers and they folded You supported Heat and they went bust. You supported Royals and it's all gone pear-shaped But seriously. They worked on the "build it and they will come" theory. the reality is you have to do a bit more than that to succeed in british basketall.
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Post by erd87 on Dec 28, 2019 9:34:24 GMT
Pretty sad to see this happen, whatever you say they have mixed things up in the league over the past few months. It does look like they have been run without any kind of foresight at all.
Surely it would have been a good idea to look around the league and learn from example as to the clubs who have made it work and the ones that haven't? The well trodden route for all well run, sustainable clubs is to build from the ground up. Maybe help and advice was offered (from BBL/other clubs) but it seems like a huge amount of time and money have been flushed down the drain.
Why not plough some of that resource in to building the community aspect of the club first before spending on a high level of talent? As great as it was to see some of the top class talent coming home, this means absolutely nothing to your average punter.
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Post by leamrider2 on Dec 28, 2019 10:51:44 GMT
This whole episode begs very serious questions about the management of the BBL. It was obvious to every man and his dog that the Royals experiment was not sustainable. Where is the league's due diligence, planning and support for building sustainable clubs? Or does the league roll over and have its tummy tickled again next time someone with a few quid wants to play big-time charlie? I would much rather we see a genuine attempt to develop and sustain half a dozen more (probably existing) EBL clubs which can grow their support base and financial strength over time.
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Post by tvtigersfan on Dec 28, 2019 10:51:54 GMT
So it's your fault you supported Tigers and they folded You supported Heat and they went bust. You supported Royals and it's all gone pear-shaped But seriously. They worked on the "build it and they will come" theory. the reality is you have to do a bit more than that to succeed in british basketall. Tell me about it! Plus my parents supported Kingston Kings, while I followed the Kingston Wildcats. At least Scorchers appear to live within their means and there is the tenuous Tigers/Heat link for me. I feel for the Royals players - bad time for them to be without clubs as other teams budgets are probably spent.
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Post by stevetino on Dec 28, 2019 11:54:58 GMT
So it's your fault you supported Tigers and they folded You supported Heat and they went bust. You supported Royals and it's all gone pear-shaped But seriously. They worked on the "build it and they will come" theory. the reality is you have to do a bit more than that to succeed in british basketall. On that basis shame he didn’t switch to MK lions 🤣
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Post by baldeagle on Dec 28, 2019 12:31:37 GMT
Hey, at least Eagles won’t lose embarrassingly to Royals this season......
On a serious note, this is awful news but entirely foreseeable. All flash and no substance.
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Post by 203cm on Dec 28, 2019 13:24:43 GMT
What absolute farce the London City Royals have descended into. As my local team, I’d been going regularly since January this year and had enjoyed watching top level British players such as Bryan-Amaning, Hamilton and Lawrence do their stuff. There was a point towards the end of last season, where I made contact with the owner and was pushing for the club to adopt a sustainable PR strategy. It obviously never happened and any press coverage they received was one off pieces about the doomed Lav Twins experiment. But having met Nhamo and Junior Williams, I was confident the club was in the hands of people who cared, even if it wasn’t reflected in the attendance figures... That changed this season. The mass exodus/clearout has not only financially contributed to their seemingly inevitable demise but ripped the heart out of the club. The cracks were papered over by big attendances and phenomenal atmospheres for the Flyers and Lions home Cup fixtures but it has been downhill since then. I’d hoped they would be able to turn it around - after all, the quality on the court was there. But it was just never a professional outfit off the court and that, coupled with a now obvious lack of understanding of how to build a community basketball club in the BBL has cost them. For example, the game day MC knew little about the league or sport and I’ve received the same marketing email selling tickets for an October fixture every week for months on end. Literally months ago, the owner was talking about moving to Wembley Arena, getting big name music stars to perform at half-time and playing in Europe, with Euroleague participation earmarked in the near future. He said the best British talent across Europe wanted to come and play for them - apart from Lawrence, that didn’t materialise. Despite the lack of structure and continuation needed to build a fan base, I stuck with them as the match day experience rapidly deteriorated, still attending most home games. However, it was the cock up surrounding the Glasgow fixture that did for me. The BBL investigation has revealed Royals could have fulfilled the fixture and made no attempt to postpone the game via the correct channels. I’ve seen plenty of unprofessionalism in the BBL but this comes close to topping it. Ironically, I’ve now moved to Surrey and Scorchers are my local team again, having previously been a Heat supporter before the move from the Spectrum and their subsequent rebrand. So it looks like Scorchers have regained an old fan in me. Welcome home
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Post by youngrocks on Dec 28, 2019 13:32:31 GMT
The sad thing is the guys behind the launch thought they knew best. Sad but expected day. Very glad for the sport that flyers beat them in the cup.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Dec 28, 2019 14:38:26 GMT
The sad thing is the guys behind the launch thought they knew best. See this is what gets me. A lot of people Im seeing are like "Nhamo got out at the right time". Hang on a minute - hes part of the problem here ploughing absolutely silly money into getting MBA and Hamilton (who was paid about 3 times more than he was in Spain) and coming into the BBL with this idea that he knows better than long long established clubs with his "force for change" mantra. What you did, my friend, was spend someone elses money frivolously and basically sell them a dud. Everyone saw this coming from the start - what was going through Nhamo Shires head? The funniest thing about the lot was the idea he was going to help players come back to the UK and focus on life after basketball - help them start businesses! Jesus, with that kind of help who needs hindrances? I dont think hes the sole reason dont get me wrong, but he was the basketball brain here and its fell on its face massively. Which 100% of people on this board were at least wary of.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Dec 28, 2019 14:40:44 GMT
P.s. look at the franchises that have started in the BBL over the last 15 or so years and have done well.
Worcester Plymouth Bristol
All one thing in common. Ill let you work it out.
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Post by sporty on Dec 28, 2019 16:48:54 GMT
What I cannot understand is that this 'experiment' was tried a few years ago by numerous clubs, who had rich owners and wanted to make an impact, and thought spending big money was the answer. When this did not work, they all backed out and some clubs went bust. The league knows that this formula does not work, and the most stable way is to build the pyramid from the bottom up. And yet they let the Royals in the league!. They must of known the risk was high. Unbelievable!!!
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Post by notoriousbigz on Dec 28, 2019 17:48:34 GMT
What I cannot understand is that this 'experiment' was tried a few years ago by numerous clubs, who had rich owners and wanted to make an impact, and thought spending big money was the answer. When this did not work, they all backed out and some clubs went bust. The league knows that this formula does not work, and the most stable way is to build the pyramid from the bottom up. And yet they let the Royals in the league!. They must of known the risk was high. Unbelievable!!! Agree 100%. And if your main backer doesnt know about such things then your basketball man inside the club should. That was on Shire and he abused it.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 28, 2019 19:32:15 GMT
Does the franchise fee they paid get used to compensate other clubs or players for any losses if they fold?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 19:57:41 GMT
The cracks were papered over by big attendances and phenomenal atmospheres for the Flyers and Lions home Cup fixtures but it has been downhill since then. Uhhh... What?
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Post by tvtigersfan on Dec 28, 2019 20:14:11 GMT
The cracks were papered over by big attendances and phenomenal atmospheres for the Flyers and Lions home Cup fixtures but it has been downhill since then. Uhhh... What? The Cup game. 84-57.
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Post by raiders92 on Dec 28, 2019 22:57:03 GMT
The sad thing is the guys behind the launch thought they knew best. See this is what gets me. A lot of people Im seeing are like "Nhamo got out at the right time". Hang on a minute - hes part of the problem here ploughing absolutely silly money into getting MBA and Hamilton (who was paid about 3 times more than he was in Spain) and coming into the BBL with this idea that he knows better than long long established clubs with his "force for change" mantra. What you did, my friend, was spend someone elses money frivolously and basically sell them a dud. Everyone saw this coming from the start - what was going through Nhamo Shires head? The funniest thing about the lot was the idea he was going to help players come back to the UK and focus on life after basketball - help them start businesses! Jesus, with that kind of help who needs hindrances? I dont think hes the sole reason dont get me wrong, but he was the basketball brain here and its fell on its face massively. Which 100% of people on this board were at least wary of. I said that don't you think if it was viable to get the likes of MBA and Hamilton in one season many of the top bbl clubs like Leicester and Newcastle would have done this long before now!! There's a reason that other teams aren't doing it!!
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Post by baldereagle on Dec 28, 2019 23:26:15 GMT
The only good news here is a possible solution to Lions home venue woes, and that Eagles only have to beat one other team after Giants and Raiders to qualify for the playoffs !
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Post by tvtigersfan on Dec 30, 2019 11:28:46 GMT
I was planning on buying tickets for Scorchers v Royals on the 5th and Lions v Royals on the 12th and had made plans to go to both games.
Any chance of the BBL or LCR confirming if they will be fielding a team?
I’m working on the assumption they are done but some sort of news would be nice.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 11:35:05 GMT
I was planning on buying tickets for Scorchers v Royals on the 5th and Lions v Royals on the 12th and had made plans to go to both games. Any chance of the BBL or LCR confirming if they will be fielding a team? I’m working on the assumption they are done but some sort of news would be nice. Would you even trust them to buy tickets if they said it was all ok again?
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Post by tvtigersfan on Dec 30, 2019 11:37:29 GMT
I was planning on buying tickets for Scorchers v Royals on the 5th and Lions v Royals on the 12th and had made plans to go to both games. Any chance of the BBL or LCR confirming if they will be fielding a team? I’m working on the assumption they are done but some sort of news would be nice. Would you even trust them to buy tickets if they said it was all ok again? Oh certainly not home tickets - I’d be worried about getting my money back! But I trust Scorchers and Lions to make the right call on these things.
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Post by stevetino on Dec 30, 2019 11:50:18 GMT
I was planning on buying tickets for Scorchers v Royals on the 5th and Lions v Royals on the 12th and had made plans to go to both games. Any chance of the BBL or LCR confirming if they will be fielding a team? I’m working on the assumption they are done but some sort of news would be nice. Would you even trust them to buy tickets if they said it was all ok again? Not a chance
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