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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Dec 30, 2019 13:07:12 GMT
I think you'd probably be able to pay on the door, I'm sure they'd be able to squeeze you in. Wether it's worth the effort to plan to travel too far in advance is another issue. I was looking forward to a couple of nights in London when Phoenix were there but definately not splashing out on hotels/ travel in advance.
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Dec 30, 2019 13:20:41 GMT
Does the franchise fee they paid get used to compensate other clubs or players for any losses if they fold? That assumes they paid the fee to begin with or was it a case of " We'll get everything sorted then pay the money in a few weeks/ months"? |
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Post by saintpat on Dec 30, 2019 14:15:24 GMT
I'd question whether they needed to pay a franchise fee. Leeds had just folded, the BBL needed another team, Crystal Palace was available and even if the franchise wasn't actually ready to roll, it could be put together quite quickly with someone bank-rolling the club & with Nhamo available to help run the club. The BBL were in more need for Royals to start than Royals needing to be playing. I'm sure they told the BBL all the right things about longevity and growth, about building a successful club. Lions had successfully played for a year at Crystal Palace & built a fanbase who with a few exceptions hadn't moved to the Box. Nhamo was in the middle of that, so I'm sure the BBL thought it was an easy franchise to launch.
Nhamo may have done things wrong & his friendships with the players & coaching staff was always going to have a both positive & negative effect on the club but he knows London basketball & without him or someone with similar knowledge of the league & BBL it was always going to be difficult. Yes he got them to spend far too much money on players but he was given the money to spend & the team were successful. So whilst he had clearly got some things wrong, if he was being told there was money to spend and he wanted an instantly successful club(and I'm sure that's what the owners were requesting), he was going to spend it. Some of the media content they produced was excellent & whilst they were OTT, they got people talking. It made London basketball far more interesting, the rivalry between the two teams was building very nicely, and although it was horrible to lose the Trophy final, it was without doubt the most competitive, passionate final I have seen for many years in the BBL. Both teams left everything on court, the players and coaching staff were desperate to beat each other.
This season the social media has been embarrassingly bad, I've even given up taking the piss because it's become so constantly awful it got boring!! I even got an email from them yesterday, with the thread title of Royals v Lions game tickets, which was played in November!!
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Post by nixette on Dec 30, 2019 16:50:27 GMT
Just wondering at what point the legalities are with money owed to players and Coach Williams. Could it be that they’re threatening insolvency to get a compromise from those involved?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 18:14:42 GMT
I'd question whether they needed to pay a franchise fee. Leeds had just folded, the BBL needed another team, Crystal Palace was available and even if the franchise wasn't actually ready to roll, it could be put together quite quickly with someone bank-rolling the club & with Nhamo available to help run the club. The BBL were in more need for Royals to start than Royals needing to be playing. I'm sure they told the BBL all the right things about longevity and growth, about building a successful club. Lions had successfully played for a year at Crystal Palace & built a fanbase who with a few exceptions hadn't moved to the Box. Nhamo was in the middle of that, so I'm sure the BBL thought it was an easy franchise to launch. I'd be gobsmacked if they didn't pay a franchise fee, I can't believe for a minute they'd be given Leeds' franchise. When Pirates folded and we were looking at joining the BBL there was never so much of a hint that we'd be given their franchise and be allowed to continue paying the instalments - even though we helped the BBL out by taking their place in the Trophy group stage. They wanted the franchise fee from us and my understanding is that Royals have paid (at least) a large chunk of it. The only way I can imagine getting a franchise (or part of) for nothing would be a merger. The BBL were certainly happy with the idea of us merging with Capital when it was discussed in their final season - probably because we couldn't have done a worse job - and if Pirates hadn't been so convinced they were God's gift to basketball I'm sure they'd have approved an Essex merger.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 18:18:12 GMT
I was planning on buying tickets for Scorchers v Royals on the 5th and Lions v Royals on the 12th and had made plans to go to both games. Any chance of the BBL or LCR confirming if they will be fielding a team?I’m working on the assumption they are done but some sort of news would be nice. The only thing the BBL can confirm is that they've been kicked out. They can't promise they'll play, and they'd be mad to make such a promise. I imagine there's a very big email/WhatsApp trail at the moment. I know of a couple of players making calls as they look for new clubs. |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 19:12:46 GMT
Lawrence to Leicester has a nice alliteration to it...
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Post by LTFan on Dec 30, 2019 20:49:35 GMT
I was planning on buying tickets for Scorchers v Royals on the 5th and Lions v Royals on the 12th and had made plans to go to both games. Any chance of the BBL or LCR confirming if they will be fielding a team? I’m working on the assumption they are done but some sort of news would be nice. Likewise, i’ve made plans for the Lions/Royals game on the 12th. Would be nice to know sooner rather than later if it’s actually going to happen... |
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Post by sussexbantam on Dec 31, 2019 8:43:22 GMT
I was planning on buying tickets for Scorchers v Royals on the 5th and Lions v Royals on the 12th and had made plans to go to both games. Any chance of the BBL or LCR confirming if they will be fielding a team? I’m working on the assumption they are done but some sort of news would be nice. Likewise, i’ve made plans for the Lions/Royals game on the 12th. Would be nice to know sooner rather than later if it’s actually going to happen... And I'm trying to work out if I've got a game to go to on Sunday... |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 31, 2019 8:53:31 GMT
Rather than just pulling out of the league Royals have said they are weighing up their options next seven days.
It does suggest they are trying to put pressure on somewhere for some help or some kind of concession
Maybe it is the BBL they are putting pressure on somehow
If they don't fold it will only be a temporary reprieve.
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Post by PointlessMonkey on Jan 1, 2020 9:53:04 GMT
Seems they are sticking around for a little while with this weekends game at Surrey going ahead.
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Post by connors on Jan 1, 2020 10:26:40 GMT
So they can play an away game but not home......? Not really viable is it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 10:50:08 GMT
I guess the BBL will let it happen at this stage because the next three games are away, and those sides will want the revenue. They're not at home until the end of January, I guess things will become clearer in a couple of weeks. I'm not sure where else they could go if there's an issue with paying Palace.
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Post by tvtigersfan on Jan 1, 2020 10:57:22 GMT
I guess the BBL will let it happen at this stage because the next three games are away, and those sides will want the revenue. They're not at home until the end of January, I guess things will become clearer in a couple of weeks. I'm not sure where else they could go if there's an issue with paying Palace. Brixton had been mentioned before but that’s clearly not a long term BBL venue so tells you all you need to know. I’d already made alternative plans for 5th now - annoying. Will try to make the London derby the follow week though as usual, should that one go ahead... |
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Post by number23 on Jan 2, 2020 23:23:37 GMT
Haven’t seen any news from Royals themselves yet (didn’t they originally hint at further updates this week?), but I did see a fans group has been started on Twitter, looking for like-minded fans to ‘support us in fighting for our club, and for increased fan engagement and sustainable growth’. Not much on the group yet, but if anyone would like to keep an eye on them/get involved:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 5:39:44 GMT
See I saw this going around on twitter but it's pointless. All theure doing is asking fans of other teams to support them. No one will give them money, why would you? So the best approach wouldve been to do this in your local area and try and get fans to attend games again that's pointless too as their wont be another home game
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jan 3, 2020 7:54:20 GMT
Well, the seven days expires today and the supporters club have said on twitter there's big news at lunchtime (which I think they think is going to be positive), so lets see what happens.
Either way, I know for a fact all their players bar two (four if you include the Lavs) have been offered around (no prizes for guessing which two), and I have it on good authority Scott is back in the states.
Every silver lining.... wait....
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Post by sussexbantam on Jan 3, 2020 8:37:58 GMT
Be interesting to see what side they put out at SSP on Sunday. Will also be interesting to see how interested those players are...
It will be quite frustrating though if one of the last acts of the Royals is to knock us out of the Cup...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 9:16:30 GMT
See I saw this going around on twitter but it's pointless. All theure doing is asking fans of other teams to support them. No one will give them money, why would you? So the best approach wouldve been to do this in your local area and try and get fans to attend games again that's pointless too as their wont be another home game I'm not a fan of bailing out other teams, seen it often enough in ice hockey, Coventry were having problems and fans held a bucket collection at Clan games. Next thing they are spending it like there's no tomorrow. Save your money on your own teams, let's not encourage this type of behaviour. |
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Post by youngrocks on Jan 3, 2020 9:31:31 GMT
Weren't sheffield/mk/leicester all bailed out by other teams at some stage?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 9:57:57 GMT
Bit before my time following the sport in this country I'd suspect, only been into it since the last few Rocks games at Kelvin Hall.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 10:52:27 GMT
Weren't sheffield/mk/leicester all bailed out by other teams at some stage? I think there's been the occasional buck collection to save an established club with a proper fan base. I doubt it would've made much difference, anyway, but it's a bit different to trying to save a club that has been built on sand since day one. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jan 3, 2020 11:16:04 GMT
Weren't sheffield/mk/leicester all bailed out by other teams at some stage? I have heard about riders fans doing their own bucket collections to pay riders player wages Did other clubs help as well? |
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Post by sussexbantam on Jan 3, 2020 12:21:51 GMT
Haven’t seen any news from Royals themselves yet (didn’t they originally hint at further updates this week?), but I did see a fans group has been started on Twitter, looking for like-minded fans to ‘support us in fighting for our club, and for increased fan engagement and sustainable growth’. Not much on the group yet, but if anyone would like to keep an eye on them/get involved: The Supporters club just posted an open letter on Twitter. If I'm honest I was a bit surprised by the tone. It talked a lot about "winning" and how much they liked winning and, conversely, how disappointing it was to lose the Play Off final and get knocked out in the Cup semi-final. Not much recognition of the fact that they did that "winning" because they signed players they couldn't afford. Surely they would have been better making a plea for a sustainable basketball club ? |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jan 3, 2020 12:28:50 GMT
Haven’t seen any news from Royals themselves yet (didn’t they originally hint at further updates this week?), but I did see a fans group has been started on Twitter, looking for like-minded fans to ‘support us in fighting for our club, and for increased fan engagement and sustainable growth’. Not much on the group yet, but if anyone would like to keep an eye on them/get involved: The Supporters club just posted an open letter on Twitter. If I'm honest I was a bit surprised by the tone. It talked a lot about "winning" and how much they liked winning and, conversely, how disappointing it was to lose the Play Off final and get knocked out in the Cup semi-final. Not much recognition of the fact that they did that "winning" because they signed players they couldn't afford. Surely they would have been better making a plea for a sustainable basketball club ? I get the distinct impression that whilst their intentions are 100% genuine and heartfelt, they're simply clueless as to what's gone on, what the club was built on and why its now falling to pieces.
I didn't see the word "sustainable" in there once, for example. Like words were only used to reference the "viability of the club" press release.
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