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Post by connors on Feb 22, 2021 17:00:11 GMT
I think there is a chance of kids being back on the court 12th April. Going back to my post earlier today though I think the onus is our old pals at BE need to get on the case NOW. Not 12th April. Not 17th May. As a wise man has mentioned many times on here and other forums......there job is meant to be helping people play our sport and the sooner they get on the case the better. Basketball is not a sport that can be easily played outdoors in this country. The courts and weather are generally not good enough!
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Post by hersey427 on Feb 22, 2021 21:33:14 GMT
daveballblog.wordpress.com/2021/02/22/ramblings-of-a-bored-man/Since i wrote that I've found No earlier than 12 April Indoor leisure (including gyms) open for use individually or within household groups.All children will be able to attend any indoor children's activity, including sport, regardless of circumstance. Parent and child groups of up to 15 people (not counting children aged under five years old) can restart indoors. Not sure that would allow games, just training
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Post by lexumcomp on Feb 22, 2021 21:38:58 GMT
Indoor sport to resume may 17th? This is better than I was expecting.
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Post by dandayr on Feb 22, 2021 23:07:03 GMT
fingers crossed for you all that the at the earliest dates are achieved in England - just looked at the doc and it looks so much more positive for basketball than many of us are expecting to hear on Tuesday for Scotland.
UK Gov doc for England: p32 section 87 Under-18 sport can take place at school as part of educational provision, or as part of wraparound care, but should not otherwise take place at this time
so some school based indoor sport can get underway from 8th March
p38 section 117 All children will be able to attend any indoor children's activity, including sport, regardless of circumstance.
so if the 4 conditions are ok, 12th april at earliest youth indoor basketball could resume
p41 section 120.e Adult indoor group sports and exercise classes
again only if the 4 conditions are ok, at earliest 17th May adult basketball indoors could resume
hope the 4 conditions are met at all the right times as these look strong lights at the end of the tunnel that guy keeps going on about.
based on the daily first minister update and a few comments the last couple of weeks, our tunnel light in scotland is just the strength of a single flickering candle - think we have a long period of darkness in scotland still before we have those things to look forward to that england has between now and june. hope i am wrong in my thoughts on what will be announced here on sport and other matters tomorrow.
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Post by connors on Feb 23, 2021 8:40:03 GMT
I disagree with the devolved way the pandemic is handled in this country but it is what it is. If the UK Govs roadmap for England proves to be successful and sustainable then I am sure the devolved assemblies will have to follow suit fairly promptly. Fingers crossed.
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Post by connors on Mar 3, 2021 18:56:56 GMT
daveballblog.wordpress.com/2021/03/02/so-april-12th-and-may-17th/Totally agree with Hersey about the outdoor courts bit being useless in this country. Even in the middle of summer the state of most courts and the aggro that can be associated with trying to play on them is a major draw back. Trying to organise anything is basically impossible. I think the 12th for kids is a conservative approach. I would have thought that it was doable for the 29th March. However as the head coach at my club said BE were probably trying to stop "idiots like us" running Easter camps........as a Coach and a parent of a player I for one would have gladly used holiday time to coach kids for free and I know as a parent I would be glad my lad was doing something other than playing Fortnite. Adults hanging on for the 17th May is tough, very tough. The news though that it will be a full return to play and not the painful rule of 6 basketball was welcomed at my club. By the time the next season actually (please, please, please!) gets underway I will be well on my way to the big five oh. I always said that was my goal and when the old Nikes would be hung up for good. Hopefully a last hurrah at GB Masters 2022 followed by a large amount of alcohol!!
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Post by dandayr on Mar 3, 2021 19:24:09 GMT
may be useless, but if outdoor is the only option then just got to go with it. I'm on the 7 day countdown to last time was indoors - 10th March 2020 home lge game. Unless the local authority strategy changes, I am planning on an outdoor return after 26th April and being outside for a good while after that. The alternate of not running anything outweighs the quality of outdoor court issues for me.
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Post by hersey427 on Mar 3, 2021 20:47:07 GMT
I think the dates are down our glorious leaders rather than basketball's glorious leaders. They've definitely chosen to avoid a return inside over Easter. I hope we get some games to avoid a completely written off year but all rhe dates are best case scenarios. Anyone who has a retirement date set should definitely add a year. You've saved a bit of wear and tear, after all
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Post by connors on Mar 4, 2021 8:56:00 GMT
To be honest I was planning on stopping playing after the 2020 Masters so this is definitely bonus territory!
I think you are right. The RTP dates are not the choice of BE but what they have had forced on them. Many have commented that the extra 2 weeks to avoid a rush (or should that be rash) of activity over the East Hols is nothing given the potential to be "back to normal" by July......
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Post by faz on Mar 7, 2021 0:37:01 GMT
I’m hoping the situation allows for a competition of some sorts. If only a cup. It’s a terrible shame that the under 18s lose their last year. My sons last competitive game was March 12 2020. Didn’t foresee that at the time.
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Post by dandayr on Mar 7, 2021 14:27:49 GMT
when competition restarts - going to be interesting as effectively brand new squads for all.
As a U16m coach, I normally have half the squad turning over each season. However when I expect we will play our first game it will be from scratch - May 2020 the 2004's would have moved up to U18 sessions and this coming May 2021 the 2005's would make the move up. So basically the 16 player squad I had for the last game we played in March 2020, just 2 U14's who were part of it will be involved when we play our next U16m game the others will all be new to our SBC squad.
Just looking forward to one day being able to restart playing other clubs - building a squad from scratch will be the same for all and just a minor thing compared to all the other things that have gone on while our sport has been suspended and the challenges life has thrown to everyone.
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Post by connors on Mar 7, 2021 18:29:52 GMT
More than anything seeing kids have the opportunity to play basketball in any way and hopefully coached by people now wearing masks! Never understood why a mask is a necessity for a basketball coach in a big sports hall but not a teacher......
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Post by connors on Apr 13, 2021 12:58:20 GMT
So just as we emerge from the dark days of no basketball under "elite" level we get a little sting in the tail courtesy of the DCMS apparently.... www.basketballengland.co.uk/news/return-to-play-new-change-to-indoor-guidance-for-u18s/Bubbles of 15 that cannot mix does make playing games very tricky. If you take it as read you want your 2 refs and 2 table officials then you have 11 people left to work with in a game that is minimally 5 a side and at junior levels requires coaching! In the very short term I am sure our kids will just be glad to be back on court but this is a kick in the basketballs for sure. With all the kids back at school and mixing in huge numbers, with the vaccine rolling out at a world leading (ish) level, with all of the other precautions in place (some sensible and some not).......FFS let the kids play!!!!!!!! I sincerely hope that by 17th May when adults allowed back (fingers crossed) this is reversed. If we do not provide kids with the opportunity to play games then we will start to lose players from our sport to those that can. No juniors playing means at some point in the future it will impact the BBL. All the British players on roster spots in the BBL started playing in local, regional and national leagues at junior level. Even if your only interest in basketball is your BBL team make no mistake; this last year will not be helping your team in the medium to long term. That's why Grassroots matters.
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Post by hersey427 on Apr 14, 2021 6:02:36 GMT
I can absolutely taste the utter indifference on here, but yeah it sucks. I'm sure they're pissed off with having to update their snazzy graphic again, but it fits nicely into BE's wish for yet another six week pre-season, though. Some more thoughts before I set off to mix with multiple bubbles before going to Oaklands where kids in multiple bubbles from multiple schools across both secondary and primary levels will finally get to play basketball.
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Post by dandayr on Apr 14, 2021 9:49:30 GMT
I feel your pain - and at same time I wish I was suffering it as well. Just being able to return to indoor training would be a start up here.
6pm tonight I am coaching my first basketball session since November - U18m outdoors. We were only allowed to resume contact outdoors in the last week. We are not allowed to go indoors till 17th May.
I asked at a meeting on Monday when we will be permitted to play a game v another club - there is no 'return to play' target date to be shared yet. Reply was just a confirmation that right now not allowed to play another club.
As to adults, contact basketball outdoors is allowed to restart on 17th May based on scotgov roadmap. Current estimate for indoor adults based on the changes scotgov made to the level systems yesterday is end of June.
Post summer will be interesting for us all in UK basketball as I dont think till then we will have a decent feel of how many (players, clubs, officials) have decided to resume at the levels they were pre-pandemic.
In Scotland the old folk from the 'glory days' of basketball still talk about the demise since the days of large crowds and participation levels being caused by the teacher strikes and the impact that had on school sport and that at the time was the grassroots. I hope connors you are wrong, but yes in a decade in UK could be talking about issues at all levels of the sport being caused still from impact of covid-19 if not enough attention is paid to grassroots as well as the pro side.
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Post by hersey427 on Apr 14, 2021 15:43:46 GMT
Unfortunately you're caught up in the stupid political war that they call devolution. Sturgeon has to do things differently to Johnson otherwise she isn't important enough. She could easily have gone the other way and we could be looking enviously at Scotland while you started a summer league. We're one island and a virus that doesn't respect ancient borders should have been treated the same throughout mainland Britain. FWIW, Covid-19 was the fifth biggest killer in Scotland during March..
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Post by connors on May 10, 2021 15:30:39 GMT
Just had confirmation from BE that they will not be changing their mandate that all coaches will need to continue to wear face masks. I supported this to start with but once adult play is allowed indoor again and with the vaccination program doing so well it just feels like enough is enough.
Any type of face covering impacts once ability to communicate. The times in normal life when you do and do not have to wear them are becoming more arbitrary.
I've complied all the way through and will carry on doing so. I know many clubs are not though and frankly I wish mine was one of them now!!
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Post by dandayr on May 10, 2021 16:39:54 GMT
I'm coaching indoors tonight for first time since March 2020. There is no guidance for us re masks - I will by choice be wearing one for first couple of weeks as it will remind the participants that while they are there for contact basketball, the guidelines we are working too mean they must still maintain 2metre distancing from adult coaches. Also the facility rules are when you enter the building players and coaches are to wear a mask - and only to be removed when in the sports hall itself.
edit to add it is U16 and U18 I am coaching. in scotland only youth can currently go indoors for basketball, right now seniors are only allowed non contact outdoor 2m socially distanced basketball
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Post by hersey427 on May 10, 2021 18:28:28 GMT
Did you expect any different, Connors? It would be involved BE being proactive, it's easier not to bother. They've never really looked at whether the 15 on a half court (effectively stopping games) is really the rule. They've just adopted gymnastics' interpretation of it because it's easier that making an effort.
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Post by connors on May 10, 2021 18:57:29 GMT
Good point well made!!
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Post by hersey427 on May 10, 2021 20:29:30 GMT
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Post by hersey427 on May 22, 2021 12:11:55 GMT
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Post by drivethebody on May 26, 2021 21:15:18 GMT
There’s a kids tournament this weekend at the Rec which is great to hear.
Some normality at last 👍🏽👍🏽
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Post by drivethebody on May 30, 2021 15:32:21 GMT
There’s a kids tournament this weekend at the Rec which is great to hear. Some normality at last 👍🏽👍🏽 Not sure if this thing happpened? Anyone know
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Post by hersey427 on May 30, 2021 20:29:04 GMT
Maybe you made it up and then forgot. It must be hard to keep on top of all the fantasy stuff you come out with. I think I've found out who you are, and it turns out you're quite famous. Seven of our nine teams played yesterday and the academy boys were in action today. It's great to be back, and it's just a bit of a shame there's only another month or so of it. Going 7&1 was splendid
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