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Post by hersey427 on Jan 27, 2021 17:40:51 GMT
it turns out he is Papa Demba Kasse. it was a while ago. Played for Newham and Hemel.
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Jan 27, 2021 18:33:56 GMT
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jan 27, 2021 18:33:56 GMT
it turns out he is Papa Demba Kasse. it was a while ago. Played for Newham and Hemel. I remember him - he was a very decent player.
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Post by hersey427 on Jan 27, 2021 18:46:34 GMT
He was. But an EU player - so expensive to register - and hadn't played (aside from the Wales game) for 8 months which added to our doubts. Never heard of again in English basketball, I believe
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Post by hersey427 on Jul 19, 2022 9:14:06 GMT
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Post by solentkestrelsfan75 on Jul 19, 2022 10:57:26 GMT
This is great, thanks. Although a win percentage table would be good while ours is so impressive. I fear it's about to take a hit...
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Post by connors on Jul 19, 2022 12:54:01 GMT
It was really interesting to see so thanks for posting Hersey. In fact I sent it to Mohawks as I am sure they probably were not aware and they were very pleased to get it!
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Jul 19, 2022 15:57:57 GMT
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Post by allendixon on Jul 19, 2022 15:57:57 GMT
Thanks for posting Hersey and thanks to SM for the hard work and creating the documents. I enjoyed looking down the list and seeing a number of clubs I have fond memories of but who aren’t in existence anymore. Hopefully some of the less experienced followers of D1 can see that basketball was played at a high level before the past 5-10 years and had some unbelievable teams that would still win leagues now eg Bucci et al at the Mohawks, TinTin et al at the Rockets and Todd Cauthorn, Ryan Patten, Garnet Gayle et al at the Arrows.
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Jul 19, 2022 19:41:58 GMT
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Post by faz on Jul 19, 2022 19:41:58 GMT
On the subject if D3 Hersey’s thoughts on the structure make perfect sense Teams don’t enter national league to play in a league of 8. Make it 6 leagues with more teams. If you moan about travel don’t enter national league
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Jul 19, 2022 19:42:08 GMT
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Post by faz on Jul 19, 2022 19:42:08 GMT
On the subject of D3 Hersey’s thoughts on the structure make perfect sense Teams don’t enter national league to play in a league of 8. Make it 6 leagues with more teams. If you moan about travel don’t enter national league
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Jul 19, 2022 19:57:40 GMT
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Post by faz on Jul 19, 2022 19:57:40 GMT
Karl Siteine 08-09 Stephen Welsh 08-09 ? Parker 09-10 I don’t know many Siteines so I’m guessing that’s the person I know as Salty. Refs national league and son was a junior at Phoenix. One of their strongest players Ste Walsh now runs a basketball club in Warrington and coaches at Cheshire Wire
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Post by hersey427 on Jul 20, 2022 6:51:20 GMT
This is great, thanks. Although a win percentage table would be good while ours is so impressive. I fear it's about to take a hit... At your suggestion, I'm working on that. SM11 sent it as a Word doc, but I think I've cracked it. Just gimme a day or two. I think a true picture of success at any level is a mixture of percentages and total wins. Richmond Jaguars had a 91% winning record and won D1 in their only season, but they're barely remembered. In contrast, not all of the top 15 teams (based on wins) are still with us but all had storied NBL histories are unlikely to be forgotten for a long while.
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Post by sm11 on Jul 20, 2022 9:47:27 GMT
Thanks guys, i just noticed that i made a small error with Derby Trailblazers ranking, they should be up to 8th ahead of Brixton Topcats, woops, missed that one lol. Yeah like you said hersey, i should have had that in a spreadsheet and let the doc do all the calculating for me lol. Ill let you know if I make anything else.
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Post by hersey427 on Jul 20, 2022 10:38:23 GMT
It'll be done by tomorrow. I might even get the formatting to work better on the blog.
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Post by hersey427 on Jul 21, 2022 8:13:31 GMT
This is great, thanks. Although a win percentage table would be good while ours is so impressive. I fear it's about to take a hit... You asked. I delivered. I feel like Karl Malone.
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Post by solentkestrelsfan75 on Jul 21, 2022 14:29:02 GMT
This is great, thanks. Although a win percentage table would be good while ours is so impressive. I fear it's about to take a hit... You asked. I delivered. I feel like Karl Malone. Awesome, well done. As much as I love the game itself, I'm also a stat geek. Would love to see lists of top individual games ( as we discussed on NBL thread) and team records. This info is virtually impossible to find, though. I have in my head that Chiltern Fastbreak once scored 174 points in an NBL game. It may be true or I may have imagined it. SOMEONE MUST KNOW!!!...
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Post by hersey427 on Jul 21, 2022 15:31:19 GMT
Without a doubt someone knows. if they don't it's because it didn't happen. Statkinson died last week, a lot of knowledge was lost with his passing. Individual game stats pre-2000 simply aren't out there, certainly outside the BBL. It wasn't until the mid-2010s that livestats even became mandatory in the top divisions of the NBL and even a couple of years ago there were games that didn't get statted - though i guess if someone dropped 70 in a game it would become common knowledge. It's a bit sad that such a stat-obsessed sport has paid so little attention to the details over the years, and the problem with the fact that they're now available is that they have a "since [random date]..." thing attached to them. I don't think we'll ever sort that one out. SM11 had done a really good job putting together the club stats. I've been encouraging him (her/they?, all a bit mysterious) to put them back in the public domain. It's sad they're not out there. Anyone good at setting up a website?
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Jul 21, 2022 20:38:31 GMT
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Post by connors on Jul 21, 2022 20:38:31 GMT
This is great, thanks. Although a win percentage table would be good while ours is so impressive. I fear it's about to take a hit... You asked. I delivered. I feel like Karl Malone. I played for Chiltern Fastbreak the year after that massive win in the cup. If I recall rightly it was against Swindon. It was certainly over 170pts.
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Post by basketballjoe3 on Jul 22, 2022 7:51:41 GMT
Without a doubt someone knows. if they don't it's because it didn't happen. Statkinson died last week, a lot of knowledge was lost with his passing. Individual game stats pre-2000 simply aren't out there, certainly outside the BBL. It wasn't until the mid-2010s that livestats even became mandatory in the top divisions of the NBL and even a couple of years ago there were games that didn't get statted - though i guess if someone dropped 70 in a game it would become common knowledge. It's a bit sad that such a stat-obsessed sport has paid so little attention to the details over the years, and the problem with the fact that they're now available is that they have a "since [random date]..." thing attached to them. I don't think we'll ever sort that one out. SM11 had done a really good job putting together the club stats. I've been encouraging him (her/they?, all a bit mysterious) to put them back in the public domain. It's sad they're not out there. Anyone good at setting up a website? Years and years ago I used to religiously go to www.pawprint75.co.uk to get up to date info and stats on national league games. Age may be confusing me, but I'm fairly sure he also had a history up and running too. Sadly on his passing (I'm struggling to remember the guy's name) the website passed with him. By magic of the internet though, here's an archive link if anyone wants to feel nostalgic: web.archive.org/web/20070112211715/http://www.pawprint75.co.uk/
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Post by hersey427 on Jul 22, 2022 11:23:30 GMT
Pete Jaques was the man behind Pawprint. A truly fantastic - and slightly mad - guy. I tried to keep Pawprint going when he died but I think his family were just too upset to deal with it. It was a bit old fashioned in its final days, but Pawprint was a brilliant site. He did the original cumulative table with SM11 has now recreated. I'd like to sit them down and hear their discussion how clubs have evolved. They have different interpretations. For instance Pete considered Rangers to be a one-season wonder while SM (correctly, in my view) includes them with Kingston. Pete lumped the two versions of Ware Rebels together, even though they co-existed for three seasons, while SM has them as separate clubs. I've got two last memories of Pete - sadly very different. Sitting next to him at the D1 Final Fours in Manchester and seeing a ball completely demolish his laptop screen. Naturally a pic of his destroyed laptop appeared on Pawprint next day, so I guess he had a spare. Opening an email from him early on a Monday morning and reading that he was dying. I just sat and cried. He left us that week. British basketball journalism was never quite the same again.
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Jul 22, 2022 11:50:55 GMT
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Post by borthwick on Jul 22, 2022 11:50:55 GMT
Pete was brilliant and a real one off. I used to get pawprint the mag delivered and looked forward to each edition. If I remember correctly he was behind the British basketball supporters federation?
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Post by connors on Jul 22, 2022 12:07:22 GMT
what is a great shame (but not surprising for so many reasons) is that BE do not employ somebody like SM11 to actually help them create this content on their website which is where it should be.
They should be the guardians of the history of the sport in this country and I think some funds to help preserve that would be money well spent. Without that this will all get lost as paper records are just destroyed and hard to find or collate.
I couldn't get that Pawprint link to work properly which is a shame as I would have liked to look back to the early 90s. So many of the leagues I've played in have so little historical data on their websites. Just final league tables for each season would be great.
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Post by solentkestrelsfan75 on Jul 22, 2022 14:19:41 GMT
I played for Chiltern Fastbreak the year after that massive win in the cup. If I recall rightly it was against Swindon. It was certainly over 170pts. I've just found it on Chilterns own history page (obvious). It was a National League game on 13th Oct 1990. They beat Swindon Rakers 174-40 which got them in the Guinness book of records for highest score in a senior league game. I'm pretty sure no team has beaten it since. ( the voices in my head would have told me) Did you play with Jamie Weavill? He joined Stars from Chiltern for 92-93 when we got promoted, I think. Was a fun player to watch.
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Post by connors on Jul 22, 2022 14:50:32 GMT
He was training with the club during my pre-season but then left to go to Solent as you mention. I suspect he was a large reason why they had gained promotion the year before. The coach at the time and I think still involved in running the club was Rod Cooke. He clearly was doing something right as all 4 of his kids were playing senior NL basketball in the 90s with his youngest Nick going on to have a very respectable BBL career with Derby and TV Tigers as a 3 point specialist. I think his daughter was also playing for a very strong D1 team. They often entered mixed tournaments as a family and generally won! My season there was hugely unsuccessful for me personally! I barely saw the court and would have been better off if they had still been in D3!! :-)
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Post by hersey427 on Jul 22, 2022 15:45:29 GMT
what is a great shame (but not surprising for so many reasons) is that BE do not employ somebody like SM11 to actually help them create this content on their website which is where it should be. They should be the guardians of the history of the sport in this country and I think some funds to help preserve that would be money well spent. Without that this will all get lost as paper records are just destroyed and hard to find or collate. I couldn't get that Pawprint link to work properly which is a shame as I would have liked to look back to the early 90s. So many of the leagues I've played in have so little historical data on their websites. Just final league tables for each season would be great. There is zero interest from BE, the fact that they didn't include the honours list when they changed websites despite having the information easily to hand tells you all you need to know. Even their database from 2009 onwards has flaws with various competitions merged - unless Sheffield Hatters really did win the men's National Trophy. The vast majority of senior tables are on wiki
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Post by hersey427 on Jul 23, 2022 9:50:09 GMT
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