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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan on Jun 25, 2021 10:54:20 GMT
The problem for me is that it is in the third division of the NBL. Not that attractive as a spectator tbh. basketball will still be played and taught but at grass root abd academy level Would that be enough#to keep Newby there? |
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Post by sporty on Jun 25, 2021 11:24:08 GMT
Who knows. The MD is talking to him and thats as much as we know at the moment. At least there appears to be work there, just not the BBL
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 25, 2021 11:29:15 GMT
Who knows. The MD is talking to him and thats as much as we know at the moment. At least there appears to be work there, just not the BBL It was a well paid job he took Coaching the Bbl team was just part of a bigger job I would imagine the talks they are having may involve a compromise on wages But what is left there for him might actually be quite a secure job compared to others in Uk basketball |
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Post by hersey427 on Jun 25, 2021 11:40:51 GMT
The problem for me is that it is in the third division of the NBL. Not that attractive as a spectator tbh. basketball will still be played and taught but at grass root abd academy level Could they play higher in NBL? Yes. By winning promotion. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 25, 2021 11:48:22 GMT
Could they play higher in NBL? Yes. By winning promotion. They won't get any favours then? |
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Post by hersey427 on Jun 25, 2021 16:20:49 GMT
Doubtful. Div 1 is full. BE would prefer it to be only 12 teams (the clubs wouldn't) because less basketball is better in their world. There is precedent as Worthing and Caps (and before you invented basketball, Palace and Oldham) dropped back down but i can't see it happening.
D2 North is also full if liverpool return, but it's hard to see how Wolves II get promoted because their firs team quit.
Would they even be interested is relevant.
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Post by allstring on Jun 25, 2021 16:58:56 GMT
Could they play higher in NBL? Yes. By winning promotion. Or by merging with or buying an NBL 1 team perhaps? |
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Post by hersey427 on Jun 25, 2021 17:03:33 GMT
Feasible. But the days of moving a club from Stevenage to Worthing appear to ge over.
Do the Wolves hierarchy even care?
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Post by allstring on Jun 25, 2021 17:21:43 GMT
Although Worcester's situation may not be standard, there is still a element of unknown once there is no restriction on crowds. I don't know the cash flows but there was no obvious evidence of teams struggling financially last season, the level of player (and changes) was pretty good even accepting a more available market. The ability of teams to offer season ticket holders to carry forward those tickets suggest the DCMS money was very effective for the BBL.
Next season though it is back to normal, with fan's ticket money (less any carried over season tickets), other match day income plus sponsorship etc. I guess access to the latter will vary depending on the industry. Supporters could be interesting. On one hand you have those desperate to get back to a live match. For others after 18 months they may have different priorities/hobbies or not be comfortable at a packed indoor event. New fan's are always important, but I'm not sure they will be easy to entice at this time.
For all businesses it will be tricky predicting what will happen, the BBL included. To an extent last year, once the DCMS money was committed, BBL teams had (relatively) clear visibility of their finances for the season. Next season crowd numbers are back in play. Cut your cloth to run a less competitive team and risk less people turning up to watch, and your income dropping further.
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Post by borthwick on Jun 26, 2021 14:58:13 GMT
Been thinking. Worcester pulled out becaue of money. Aren't 777 supposed to be chucking a fortune in to develop the league? Surely this would have filled the gap?
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 26, 2021 15:29:44 GMT
Although Worcester's situation may not be standard, there is still a element of unknown once there is no restriction on crowds. I don't know the cash flows but there was no obvious evidence of teams struggling financially last season, the level of player (and changes) was pretty good even accepting a more available market. The ability of teams to offer season ticket holders to carry forward those tickets suggest the DCMS money was very effective for the BBL. Next season though it is back to normal, with fan's ticket money (less any carried over season tickets), other match day income plus sponsorship etc. I guess access to the latter will vary depending on the industry. Supporters could be interesting. On one hand you have those desperate to get back to a live match. For others after 18 months they may have different priorities/hobbies or not be comfortable at a packed indoor event. New fan's are always important, but I'm not sure they will be easy to entice at this time. For all businesses it will be tricky predicting what will happen, the BBL included. To an extent last year, once the DCMS money was committed, BBL teams had (relatively) clear visibility of their finances for the season. Next season crowd numbers are back in play. Cut your cloth to run a less competitive team and risk less people turning up to watch, and your income dropping further. I think last season was honeymoon time for the clubs. Next couple of years going to be much harder in comparison |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 26, 2021 15:31:23 GMT
Been thinking. Worcester pulled out becaue of money. Aren't 777 supposed to be chucking a fortune in to develop the league? Surely this would have filled the gap? Developing the league is a lot different to paying the operating costs of wolves |
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Post by borthwick on Jun 26, 2021 15:47:06 GMT
To develop the league you invest in the club's. They are the league.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 26, 2021 15:59:10 GMT
To develop the league you invest in the club's. They are the league. We will have to agree to disagree on that being the best way for them to invest their money and develop the sport |
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Post by borthwick on Jun 26, 2021 17:49:02 GMT
Fair enough but if you want to improve the quality of the league the club's need to recruit better players and that takes investment.
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Post by skeg on Jun 26, 2021 19:11:50 GMT
Fair enough but if you want to improve the quality of the league the club's need to recruit better players and that takes investment. I’m sure it was mentioned that the deal involving 777 (if it ever comes to fruition) was investment into branding the league better with things like new courts, advertising, presentation etc snd that no money would go directly to the clubs themselves. Don’t think that would’ve helped Worcester’s situation. |
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Post by borthwick on Jun 26, 2021 19:45:37 GMT
Oh ok. I thought they would want a better product hence invest in talent.
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Post by hersey427 on Jun 27, 2021 9:43:37 GMT
Although Worcester's situation may not be standard, there is still a element of unknown once there is no restriction on crowds. I don't know the cash flows but there was no obvious evidence of teams struggling financially last season, the level of player (and changes) was pretty good even accepting a more available market. The ability of teams to offer season ticket holders to carry forward those tickets suggest the DCMS money was very effective for the BBL. Next season though it is back to normal, with fan's ticket money (less any carried over season tickets), other match day income plus sponsorship etc. I guess access to the latter will vary depending on the industry. Supporters could be interesting. On one hand you have those desperate to get back to a live match. For others after 18 months they may have different priorities/hobbies or not be comfortable at a packed indoor event. New fan's are always important, but I'm not sure they will be easy to entice at this time. For all businesses it will be tricky predicting what will happen, the BBL included. To an extent last year, once the DCMS money was committed, BBL teams had (relatively) clear visibility of their finances for the season. Next season crowd numbers are back in play. Cut your cloth to run a less competitive team and risk less people turning up to watch, and your income dropping further. I think last season was honeymoon time for the clubs. Next couple of years going to be much harder in comparison Wow i didn't know last season (the one you said wouldn't happen) was such a blast. While the DCMS money was welcome, it didn't cover everything and it didn't come quickly, leading to cash-flow problems. And playing in empty gyms, wearing masks and doing plague tests before practice/games and all the other crap made it the toughest season I've ever encountered - and I doubt there are many people involved in the leagues that operated who would argue. But, hey, you clearly loved it not having to leave your armchair :shrug |
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Post by hersey427 on Jun 27, 2021 9:46:41 GMT
To develop the league you invest in the club's. They are the league. I get your point. But the truth is, University of Worcester could have run Wolves on a shoestring for a year to see how things panned out. But they didn't want to. And clearly they're not a club in the true sense of the word, but there just a uni team. My final thoughts of this whole shambles. I hope Sporty enjoys them |
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Post by sporty on Jun 27, 2021 11:34:49 GMT
To develop the league you invest in the club's. They are the league. I get your point. But the truth is, University of Worcester could have run Wolves on a shoestring for a year to see how things panned out. But they didn't want to. And clearly they're not a club in the true sense of the word, but there just a uni team. My final thoughts of this whole shambles. I hope Sporty enjoys them |
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Post by sporty on Jun 27, 2021 11:43:45 GMT
Thanks for your article on Universities, I thought it was interesting.
Having moved to Worcester 4 years ago, (and having supported other BBL teams where I was living), it was good to have a city where you could have a conversation with people about basketball,rather than football. Its quite a big basketball community, and I will not be the only person to be sad about this. In my oppinion, the University should have opened the door for a take over, or at least attempted to involved the fans and see if any finances could be found.
My respect for the University is now zero
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 12:00:29 GMT
How did you change the team you supported? Did you not feel a loyalty to your old team?
Asking for someone who won't be relocating to Birmingham
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Post by sporty on Jun 27, 2021 12:19:50 GMT
Thats a good question. My home town is Guildford and I supported them in the different re incarnations.
I adopted Worcester as my first team and Guildford as my second. I do love Worcester as a City so I think that made the difference. When Surrey visted Worcester I could not watch as I did not want either team to lose.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jun 27, 2021 12:38:06 GMT
I think last season was honeymoon time for the clubs. Next couple of years going to be much harder in comparison Wow i didn't know last season (the one you said wouldn't happen) was such a blast. While the DCMS money was welcome, it didn't cover everything and it didn't come quickly, leading to cash-flow problems. And playing in empty gyms, wearing masks and doing plague tests before practice/games and all the other crap made it the toughest season I've ever encountered - and I doubt there are many people involved in the leagues that operated who would argue. But, hey, you clearly loved it not having to leave your armchair :shrug For the teams to be able to pay the wages of the quality of players they brought in amidst the biggest crisis in modern history yes I class that as a honeymoon period Bearing in mind Russ at Riders said more than once we were a month from going bust Real world will be coming back soon where clubs have to find their own income and pay their own bills I'm pleasantly surprised at the quality of players we appear to be able to afford next season as well Despite rolling over season tickets and no doubt losing sponsors same as everybody else Maybe we have Govt money left from last season still? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 12:46:52 GMT
Surely you don't believe that they were a month away from going broke after announcing a huge expansion to the arena?
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