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Post by borthwick on Jul 2, 2021 17:28:42 GMT
And i can't see him being bothered with an NBL div 3 team.
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Post by warewolf on Jul 6, 2021 11:47:58 GMT
Wow! what a thread, I have never seen so many experts in one place, its like a one stop online consultancy service. As someone far smarter than me once said, "its all about the money honey". If an NBL reset is whats needed to firm up new foundations for the future then so be it. It'll be fine, it's easy to make too much of something with nothing but speculation when the reality is that no one has the first clue of why a particular decision was taken or not taken. I for one am not criticising anyone, If we have to start a new NBL journey well let's just stop whingeing (probably spelt incorrectly) and get in with it, lets look forward not back. A journey of a thousand miles and all that. Thank you and good night Do you think a good percentage of fans will continue to support the team in NBL It would be great for the club and NBL if so Shame it appears to be NBL3 though? Hard to say but probably more that we think, to some degree its about the game night experience and the buzz created around the club. Obviously the level of competition is nowhere near the BBL level but i really do thionk we have to be pragmatic, the organisation clealrly needs to take a financial breath and reset the compass, i think many fans will understand and be be supportive of that.
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Post by warewolf on Jul 6, 2021 11:51:52 GMT
Wow! what a thread, I have never seen so many experts in one place, its like a one stop online consultancy service. As someone far smarter than me once said, "its all about the money honey". If an NBL reset is whats needed to firm up new foundations for the future then so be it. It'll be fine, it's easy to make too much of something with nothing but speculation when the reality is that no one has the first clue of why a particular decision was taken or not taken. I for one am not criticising anyone, If we have to start a new NBL journey well let's just stop whingeing (probably spelt incorrectly) and get in with it, lets look forward not back. A journey of a thousand miles and all that. Thank you and good night How many bbl teams have dropped out in the past and then resurfaced under the same club banner? I’m struggling to think of any. Most recent ones would be Cheshire Jets coming back as Phoenix and also Surrey Heat, reincarnated as United and then Scorchers, although the circumstances were very different in that one. It's a thought though, someone could swoop in and rescue the franchise in its current form... you never know, we live in strange times.
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Post by warewolf on Jul 6, 2021 12:05:58 GMT
I was gutted when I saw this news. Even though my time at Wolves wasn’t perfect, it helped put the club on the map and I’m still glad I was able to play a small part in that process of becoming a competitive, legitimate BBL set up. I was initially given 20k budget for the entire player’s salaries. I convinced the directors to increase that lots, but no where near 140k. We’d win every trophy if I had that budget today. Hands down. Don’t over think it though. Just support the club. The club needs the Wolf Pack now more than ever! I learned first hand that Mick Donovan won’t let anything get in the way of the club he built for all of you and for the betterment of the sport in Worcester and the UK. He probably still hasn’t taken a penny for himself? I highly doubt it. He simply loves to graft and scrap and loves the Wolves. Even though he was horribly wrong in that particular scenario when I left in 2010, he thought he was protecting the club. Mick is extremely reflective in his thought processes and this EBL step back definitely isn’t a decision he took lightly. He definitely has a plan, and I’m sure it’s a plan that will put the club in a better position to compete and win more consistently in the BBL in the future. I personally think he’s too smart and prudent and ultimately protective of the Wolves to possibly jeopardize the club’s future with even the remote possibility of another tough year if Covid causes more totalitarian government orders. That being said, the only big mistake Mick has ever made in his Directing of the Wolves is not letting me carry on playing and coaching. We were on the brink of turning the corner and winning big. As soon as I became better at the nuances of doing both and Mick also grew as a BBL Director, we would have been with the Eagles year in year out. But, upper management’s impatience is common in sport. That being said, Fab wasn’t an overnight success at Eagles. He needed a number of years to sort out his relentless competitive nature and step back a bit as a player. Something I would have definitely done as I became more comfortable. That being said, I had the option to only coach my 3rd year and I regret I didn’t take that opportunity as I think the BBL and any pro league is 90% about the players on the court- or more! For example, Nick Nurse was the BEST COACH on the planet with Kawhi at the Raptors….but now? He’s just another NBA basketball coach now that he lost his top dog! A rich one, but it’s not rocket science folks! It’s a simple game. If you can see what a good player looks like and you get him to your club, you’ll eventually get more of the right players as the club grows and you’ll win and win and win. Shoot, it coulda been worse for Wolves fans. Mick coulda got Dennis Rodman to play in a handful of games, put some money in his pocket, then just folded the club and went home to Ireland? ☘️ Brighton Bears style. Nurse was a hustler though. Still is. I respect that relentless hustle and imagination and creativity, just like I respect Mick Donovans decision with going to the EBL and regrouping to protect his club for all of us Wolves that are proud to have been a part of the Packs past, present and future! Go Wolves! Brilliantly put. It's what I have been trying to say but yoiu have said it better than I ever could. Im right with you, this is not the end it is just a necessary transition that allows the club to protect it's future financial stability so that it can return to compete at the top level. I agree with you on Mick Donovan, I have got to know him well and I have agreat deal of respect for him and he is often very misunderstood. Not only is he is heavily emotionally invested in the Wolves organisation but he is a pragmatist and is someone who understands the need for commercial sustainability which in the end, is the only way you can guarantee long term survival and high level performance. I echo you sentiment, Go WOLVES!! We need to stick together and keep supporting our club through thick and thin. We will be back for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 12:08:31 GMT
I answered the question, you were probably too busy happy clapping to notice.
Your answer is completely wrong. Neither Cheshire or Surry dropped out of the BBL, both continued in the competition with the franchise being transferred to a new company and the team playing under an amended name.
There will be no saviour, the franchise has been withdrawn and there was no public sign that anything was done to find a bloke on a white horse to rider in an save the day.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 12:41:25 GMT
I was gutted when I saw this news. Even though my time at Wolves wasn’t perfect, it helped put the club on the map and I’m still glad I was able to play a small part in that process of becoming a competitive, legitimate BBL set up. I was initially given 20k budget for the entire player’s salaries. I convinced the directors to increase that lots, but no where near 140k. We’d win every trophy if I had that budget today. Hands down. Don’t over think it though. Just support the club. The club needs the Wolf Pack now more than ever! I learned first hand that Mick Donovan won’t let anything get in the way of the club he built for all of you and for the betterment of the sport in Worcester and the UK. He probably still hasn’t taken a penny for himself? I highly doubt it. He simply loves to graft and scrap and loves the Wolves. Even though he was horribly wrong in that particular scenario when I left in 2010, he thought he was protecting the club. Mick is extremely reflective in his thought processes and this EBL step back definitely isn’t a decision he took lightly. He definitely has a plan, and I’m sure it’s a plan that will put the club in a better position to compete and win more consistently in the BBL in the future. I personally think he’s too smart and prudent and ultimately protective of the Wolves to possibly jeopardize the club’s future with even the remote possibility of another tough year if Covid causes more totalitarian government orders. That being said, the only big mistake Mick has ever made in his Directing of the Wolves is not letting me carry on playing and coaching. We were on the brink of turning the corner and winning big. As soon as I became better at the nuances of doing both and Mick also grew as a BBL Director, we would have been with the Eagles year in year out. But, upper management’s impatience is common in sport. That being said, Fab wasn’t an overnight success at Eagles. He needed a number of years to sort out his relentless competitive nature and step back a bit as a player. Something I would have definitely done as I became more comfortable. That being said, I had the option to only coach my 3rd year and I regret I didn’t take that opportunity as I think the BBL and any pro league is 90% about the players on the court- or more! For example, Nick Nurse was the BEST COACH on the planet with Kawhi at the Raptors….but now? He’s just another NBA basketball coach now that he lost his top dog! A rich one, but it’s not rocket science folks! It’s a simple game. If you can see what a good player looks like and you get him to your club, you’ll eventually get more of the right players as the club grows and you’ll win and win and win. Shoot, it coulda been worse for Wolves fans. Mick coulda got Dennis Rodman to play in a handful of games, put some money in his pocket, then just folded the club and went home to Ireland? ☘️ Brighton Bears style. Nurse was a hustler though. Still is. I respect that relentless hustle and imagination and creativity, just like I respect Mick Donovans decision with going to the EBL and regrouping to protect his club for all of us Wolves that are proud to have been a part of the Packs past, present and future! Go Wolves! Brilliantly put. It's what I have been trying to say but yoiu have said it better than I ever could. Im right with you, this is not the end it is just a necessary transition that allows the club to protect it's future financial stability so that it can return to compete at the top level. I agree with you on Mick Donovan, I have got to know him well and I have agreat deal of respect for him and he is often very misunderstood. Not only is he is heavily emotionally invested in the Wolves organisation but he is a pragmatist and is someone who understands the need for commercial sustainability which in the end, is the only way you can guarantee long term survival and high level performance. I echo you sentiment, Go WOLVES!! We need to stick together and keep supporting our club through thick and thin. We will be back for sure. And then there's this........ I was initially given 20k budget for the entire player’s salaries. I convinced the directors to increase that lots, but no where near 140k. We’d win every trophy if I had that budget today. Hands down.When I first read 140K, I thought, not bad pay for BBL, then I say that was for a WHOLE TEAM!!! And even that was too much. Is it really possible to have a team with only 20K in player salaries? And this is top flight. Winter is coming.
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Post by samgray on Jul 6, 2021 15:00:45 GMT
I think winter has been and gone looking at some of the posts on here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 15:24:39 GMT
And then there's this........ I was initially given 20k budget for the entire player’s salaries. I convinced the directors to increase that lots, but no where near 140k. We’d win every trophy if I had that budget today. Hands down.When I first read 140K, I thought, not bad pay for BBL, then I say that was for a WHOLE TEAM!!! And even that was too much. Is it really possible to have a team with only 20K in player salaries? And this is top flight. Winter is coming. All that comment proves is how little you know about British basketball. That's not really news, though. Did you enjoy last season? Or did you close your eyes and pretend it didn't happen, as you predicted?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 17:00:17 GMT
And then there's this........ I was initially given 20k budget for the entire player’s salaries. I convinced the directors to increase that lots, but no where near 140k. We’d win every trophy if I had that budget today. Hands down.When I first read 140K, I thought, not bad pay for BBL, then I say that was for a WHOLE TEAM!!! And even that was too much. Is it really possible to have a team with only 20K in player salaries? And this is top flight. Winter is coming. All that comment proves is how little you know about British basketball. That's not really news, though. Did you enjoy last season? Or did you close your eyes and pretend it didn't happen, as you predicted? Yes Hersey, I admit that the knowledge I thought I had was just insufficient. The fact that a team could operate for 20k in saleries, is a shocker, especially if thé BBL is the top league in the U.K. And yes, was also wrong about BBL playing in the middle of a pandemic even though it had no financial benefit to do so. Seems stupid to me still. This season will also be tricky as no way with the delta varient around will sufficient ticket or sponsor revenue be attainable. More government bailout I presume? And where is 777? Dead men walking I’d say!
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Post by davef on Jul 6, 2021 17:19:04 GMT
Im confused
Harker is talking about a new club in 2005. What possible reference does that have to any club in 2021?
as for your prophecys of doom : we've heard them all before, time and time again. Boy and wolf spring to mind
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Post by faz on Jul 6, 2021 17:27:31 GMT
Bbl to div 3 what’s the footie equivalent? Prem to northern premier league? Can’t see Wolves playing out of the centre unless it’s a freebie. Is Newby still employed there?
Saying all of that with the league down to 10 clubs I’m sure anyone can come back. Beggars you know!
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Post by samgray on Jul 6, 2021 22:35:57 GMT
Bbl to div 3 what’s the footie equivalent? Prem to northern premier league? Can’t see Wolves playing out of the centre unless it’s a freebie. Is Newby still employed there? Saying all of that with the league down to 10 clubs I’m sure anyone can come back. Beggars you know! Good to ****?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 6:20:23 GMT
Rangers to the Third Division (Before the names changed to match the EFL) is the best Football example
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 7:50:51 GMT
I'll raise you Maidstone United,. A 12 division drop from FL4 to Kent league div 4 north.
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Post by warewolf on Jul 8, 2021 12:32:54 GMT
And then there's this........ I was initially given 20k budget for the entire player’s salaries. I convinced the directors to increase that lots, but no where near 140k. We’d win every trophy if I had that budget today. Hands down.When I first read 140K, I thought, not bad pay for BBL, then I say that was for a WHOLE TEAM!!! And even that was too much. Is it really possible to have a team with only 20K in player salaries? And this is top flight. Winter is coming. All that comment proves is how little you know about British basketball. That's not really news, though. Did you enjoy last season? Or did you close your eyes and pretend it didn't happen, as you predicted? I think you may have the comments mixed up, that one is not mine mine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 15:06:45 GMT
I was answering drunkster, as he has acknowledged
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