biggielittle
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Post by biggielittle on Jul 3, 2021 21:42:10 GMT
It's worrying not hearing anything at all. I would be devastated if Raiders leave and go elsewhere. They do so much within the community, schools and development, it would be a real shame to lose all that. As much as it pains me to say, I would rather drop down to D1 and play at Marjons for a couple of seasons if it means staying in Plymouth.
Fingers crossed Pavilions and Raiders will sort it out and we can finally watch (in person) Raiders go further than last season and win some silverware!
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Post by Hearsay247 on Jul 3, 2021 22:52:45 GMT
There’s a nice arena in Worcester which may be available on Friday nights.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2021 6:32:44 GMT
If you don't know, there's no chance the rest of us know
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 4, 2021 7:18:16 GMT
Would imagine The Pavilions themselves have a lot of big decisions and challenges to solve that they don't have answers to yet
This was said in the article about the proposed rent increase
“Essentially, there are two conversations surrounding this story; one involving Raiders and our continuation at the Pavilions and one surrounding the venue itself in future years, operating as it stands today.
“That is a political position with wider implications as a centre for entertainment for the city and one Raiders are certainly not privy to. However, the City Council have been supportive of our position despite our lack of control over events.
The theatre itself will be fighting to survive
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 4, 2021 7:23:58 GMT
Elsewhere it was said that the price increase would make it the highest rent for BBL etc
I can understand why
It's a theatre, it has to pay the bills itself and it's not a simple transformation into a basketball court
The club when making their decision should also take account of the huge benefit they will get from being marketed and promoted to the theatre customer base on a weekly basis
And the fact it's a great venue tbh
I really enjoyed watching a game there myself
Will be hard to find somewhere as good in Plymouth
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Post by ethanb23 on Jul 4, 2021 7:25:42 GMT
Should we be worried that two directors have resigned? One in January and the other very recently. Considering Dr Basak Akdemir was the director who spoke out about moving the club and now she has left are we to assume she was unauthorised to do this and has had to leave her role? Why nothing from the club on either director leaving or the Pavillions issue?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2021 7:33:54 GMT
As much as it pains me to say, I would rather drop down to D1 and play at Marjons for a couple of seasons if it means staying in Plymouth. Division One is full. If BBL clubs want a safety net, they need to consider automatic promotion/relegation. And it would - apparently - pain you, anyway. |
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Jul 4, 2021 7:54:24 GMT
Would imagine The Pavilions themselves have a lot of big decisions and challenges to solve that they don't have answers to yet This was said in the article about the proposed rent increase “Essentially, there are two conversations surrounding this story; one involving Raiders and our continuation at the Pavilions and one surrounding the venue itself in future years, operating as it stands today. “That is a political position with wider implications as a centre for entertainment for the city and one Raiders are certainly not privy to. However, the City Council have been supportive of our position despite our lack of control over events. The theatre itself will be fighting to survive There have been discussions for years about demolish and rebuild as a stand alone arena (without the pool and ice rink). As I understand it, they need another rink to be built in Plymouth before they get the go ahead. That was planned to be part of the Home park development but then that got stopped because of something (I think protected trees) I may be incorrect. But either way, it is not going to change any time soon. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 4, 2021 8:05:11 GMT
Elsewhere it was said that the price increase would make it the highest rent for BBL etc I can understand why It's a theatre, it has to pay the bills itself and it's not a simple transformation into a basketball court The club when making their decision should also take account of the huge benefit they will get from being marketed and promoted to the theatre customer base on a weekly basis And the fact it's a great venue tbh I really enjoyed watching a game there myself Will be hard to find somewhere as good in Plymouth But why try and increase the rent by what was it 3 or 4 times the amount? That seems like greed to me, that’s not trying to support another local business it’s pricing them out of the city they were made in! Let’s face it, no fans mean no money coming in. I don’t that you can argue that marketing to a theatre customer warrants such a crazy increase in rent? That’s ridiculous That's not what I said I can just see it from both sides Maybe basketball just doesn't work for the theatre in their plans at the current level of income There will be negotiations to be had like any business But Raiders need to weigh up any loss of income they may get if they move as well as look at the costs in amongst those negotiations |
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Jul 4, 2021 8:16:41 GMT
We’re they given any concessions during the covid period from the pavilions? If so, I assume the money the pavilions received would have allowed that. Also is the 200% that is quoted an increase on covid rent level or increase on pre covid level? I know there were arena plans in an attempt to move away from the pavilions. They looked good. I also read that they aren’t likely to happen. We can grumble about things that are out of our control all we like but we know that if they put a price on it and we don’t/can’t pay, then we should be building contingency or the club will disappear.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 4, 2021 8:16:59 GMT
This was statement from Pavilions
"When contacted by Plymouth Live's sister newspaper The Herald, Pavilions chief executive Sarah Phillips refused to be interviewed. However, the Pavilions did issue a statement on her behalf that read: “The Plymouth Raiders remain very welcome to continue playing at the Pavilions. The discounted rate that we have offered them remains on the table.”
At present, no one knows the exact figures for what the rental price was for the 2020/21 season, or how much the Pavilions are asking for going forward - or what the discount figure is.
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Jul 4, 2021 9:03:13 GMT
Should we be worried that two directors have resigned? One in January and the other very recently. Considering Dr Basak Akdemir was the director who spoke out about moving the club and now she has left are we to assume she was unauthorised to do this and has had to leave her role? Why nothing from the club on either director leaving or the Pavillions issue? View AttachmentOH WOW 😮 Rats leaving a sinking ship? |
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Jul 4, 2021 9:15:59 GMT
Rats leaving a sinking ship? That’s pretty disappointing. I agree, it was a question rather than a statement |
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Jul 4, 2021 9:16:48 GMT
This was statement from Pavilions "When contacted by Plymouth Live's sister newspaper The Herald, Pavilions chief executive Sarah Phillips refused to be interviewed. However, the Pavilions did issue a statement on her behalf that read: “The Plymouth Raiders remain very welcome to continue playing at the Pavilions. The discounted rate that we have offered them remains on the table.” At present, no one knows the exact figures for what the rental price was for the 2020/21 season, or how much the Pavilions are asking for going forward - or what the discount figure is. No numbers though. What’s the discounted rate? They could have knocked a fiver off the over inflated rate? I hope things get resolved after such an awesome season. What’s the number on the over inflated rate? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2021 10:38:43 GMT
In the proposed arena project it stated pavilions was 55k a year for raiders to rent
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2021 10:41:54 GMT
Works out at 20 home games to £2750 per game. What's a ticket cost these days? Shall we say £10. That leaves 10k per game to run a club, 200k per season. Thats your players wage if you spend the cap. You'd need that alone again to pay for coaches, assistant coaches, gm, community coaches, training, travel, the list goes on. Glad it's not me with the budget to make it work
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Post by borthwick on Jul 4, 2021 11:58:50 GMT
This is the most interesting thread. As an outsider Plymouth looked like they could become the next big thing with the new owners. The resignations intrigue me. Then the Pavilions nonsense. Why would they change the arrangements that have been in place for so long? I get the need to operate as a business but they could lose all income from Raiders. What looked like a path to success looks like a path with no plan. And the silence from the club ?
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Jul 4, 2021 12:04:30 GMT
I guess without info from the club and or pavilions we are to rely on speculation.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 4, 2021 13:20:51 GMT
This is the most interesting thread. As an outsider Plymouth looked like they could become the next big thing with the new owners. The resignations intrigue me. Then the Pavilions nonsense. Why would they change the arrangements that have been in place for so long? I get the need to operate as a business but they could lose all income from Raiders. What looked like a path to success looks like a path with no plan. And the silence from the club ? The club and Pavilion had a two year contract in place which has run out now I've read that there have been two price increases before for the club to use Pavilion The club have chosen to make the negotiations public You would only expect them to do that if they honestly don't think they can negotiate a viable deal without public or council pressure playing a part Either that or they are just unprofessional Always two sides to every story |
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Post by borthwick on Jul 4, 2021 14:51:15 GMT
Agree entirely. The Plymouth community set up is the basis of the club . Hope it's not lost
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Post by raiders92 on Jul 4, 2021 17:56:22 GMT
But the biggest issue in all of this is the lack of investment by the council in a new arena for concerts or indoor sports events for a big city such as Plymouth to rely on a run down arena like the pavilions is laughable especially as there is a wast bit of land by upper home park which is a run down car park with 2 massive car parks and a park and ride next to it!!!!!!! But logic I guess doesn't mean much now a days!!
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Post by raiders92 on Jul 4, 2021 17:58:00 GMT
Works out at 20 home games to £2750 per game. What's a ticket cost these days? Shall we say £10. That leaves 10k per game to run a club, 200k per season. Thats your players wage if you spend the cap. You'd need that alone again to pay for coaches, assistant coaches, gm, community coaches, training, travel, the list goes on. Glad it's not me with the budget to make it work Tbh the way the raiders is a rubbish cheap raiders team who stuck to budget would still draw big crowds due to the loyal fan bases!! |
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Post by basketballjoe3 on Jul 4, 2021 20:37:18 GMT
Agree entirely. The Plymouth community set up is the basis of the club . Hope it's not lost No need to worry there, Plymouth Raiders Development is an entirely separate charity that has its own governance and trustees. |
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Post by doners123 on Jul 6, 2021 10:00:28 GMT
The strange thing is raiders keep tweeting on the Instagram account.
Hopefully some news soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 11:57:51 GMT
I dont think we will get good news again
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