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Post by davef on Aug 9, 2021 14:16:02 GMT
So the league doesn’t help retain a major market and it shows the inevitable decline of the league.
And the league does help retain a major market and it shows a lack of professionalism.
basketball kits going to basketball kit I suppose.
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Post by davef on Aug 9, 2021 14:16:47 GMT
That should have read the T word (obviously not permitted and replaced by basketball kits?)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 14:19:58 GMT
So the Raiders branding and IP doesn't carry over to the new franchise? So basically, you have new owners, new branding and new team tee'd up to play in less than 2 months? And the BBL is fine with that? Herein lies the lack of professionalism. Seems desperate to me and will likely fail. Wasn't the Raiders in the BBL for a couple of DECADES? And if so, to just casually let it go just doesn't make any sense. What about the Raiders fans? They just start to follow the Plymouth XYZ Team? Crazy!! Mad isn't it, Imagine going to support your team in the same country, in the same city, in the same venue. Absolutely ludicrous what the bbl are pulling here, so glad I've still got my local team the Vancouver Grizzles to watch.... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 14:21:03 GMT
So the league doesn’t help retain a major market and it shows the inevitable decline of the league. And the league does help retain a major market and it shows a lack of professionalism. basketball kits going to basketball kit I suppose. This not the point DaveF. Its looks shady af and weak of the league. Why not spend proper time doing a proper rebranding instead of rushing out a new team. Sitting a year out and doing it right wouldn't be a bad thing and since Covid will still wreck havoc on ticket sales, sitting out, building the new brand, with a new place to play would be prudent. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 14:22:48 GMT
So the Raiders branding and IP doesn't carry over to the new franchise? So basically, you have new owners, new branding and new team tee'd up to play in less than 2 months? And the BBL is fine with that? Herein lies the lack of professionalism. Seems desperate to me and will likely fail. Wasn't the Raiders in the BBL for a couple of DECADES? And if so, to just casually let it go just doesn't make any sense. What about the Raiders fans? They just start to follow the Plymouth XYZ Team? Crazy!! Mad isn't it, Imagine going to support your team in the same country, in the same city, in the same venue. Absolutely ludicrous what the bbl are pulling here, so glad I've still got my local team the Vancouver Grizzles to watch.... Yep, however the Grizzlies moving to Memphis was well planned and didn't happen in a few months! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 15:43:43 GMT
Good job we're not moving at all, a rebrand takes as long as the graphics guy to make a logo.
Seriously, what do you think takes time in this?
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Post by borthwick on Aug 9, 2021 15:54:19 GMT
Well it mirrors what happened at Chester and they have done alright. The key issue is to have a basketball team in the city whatever it's called. I'm sure that's how the fans feel.
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Post by PointlessMonkey on Aug 9, 2021 15:58:37 GMT
Raiders have disappeared, at least their Facebook and Twitter account.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 16:02:30 GMT
The league in normal cases decides what city to grant franchises to. The league would also own all IP, trademarks etc. Case in point, if a new team crops up in Seattle, it will be known the Seattle Supersonics as the NBA owns the brand. The perception of stability and continuity may not be important to fans of the BBL, I don't know. But seems to be such a waste that a club that has been around a generation, isn't allowed to continue through change of ownership because the league failed to secure ownership of its club brands and IP. Simple.
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Aug 9, 2021 16:06:38 GMT
Who knows, they may adopt that model now. But comparing the NBA and BBL is like apples and oranges
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 16:17:27 GMT
The league in normal cases decides what city to grant franchises to. The league would also own all IP, trademarks etc. Case in point, if a new team crops up in Seattle, it will be known the Seattle Supersonics as the NBA owns the brand. The perception of stability and continuity may not be important to fans of the BBL, I don't know. But seems to be such a waste that a club that has been around a generation, isn't allowed to continue through change of ownership because the league failed to secure ownership of its club brands and IP. Simple. Simple you are, if seatle has a new franchise it would not be the supersonic as they were relocated to oklahoma and thus maintain their history. You've played a blinder her buddy, most people thought you were clueless before, now everybody does |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 16:17:50 GMT
comparing NBA and BBL is really like comparing apples and penguins. and irrelevant
this is not a rebrand, it's a new franchise at a venue that has successfully staged BBL basketball before.
if only Drunky's mate would finally get around to starting league to show us how to do it. 17 years is a long time
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 16:39:44 GMT
The league in normal cases decides what city to grant franchises to. The league would also own all IP, trademarks etc. Case in point, if a new team crops up in Seattle, it will be known the Seattle Supersonics as the NBA owns the brand. The perception of stability and continuity may not be important to fans of the BBL, I don't know. But seems to be such a waste that a club that has been around a generation, isn't allowed to continue through change of ownership because the league failed to secure ownership of its club brands and IP. Simple. Simple you are, if seatle has a new franchise it would not be the supersonic as they were relocated to oklahoma and thus maintain their history. You've played a blinder her buddy, most people thought you were clueless before, now everybody does Is that so? Oklahoma City Sonics or is it Thunder? Ownership of the Sonic brand and it’s history is an NBA property. Fact. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 16:48:11 GMT
comparing NBA and BBL is really like comparing apples and penguins. and irrelevant this is not a rebrand, it's a new franchise at a venue that has successfully staged BBL basketball before. if only Drunky's mate would finally get around to starting league to show us how to do it. 17 years is a long time My mate?? Really, I don’t hang out with people that old, including you Hersey! New franchise with 2 months to go? Seems a bit rushed and not carefully thought out. I remember the praise the Turkish guy got when he invested, now you turn on him because he didn’t want to lose money forever!! Seems about right for British basketball. As long as there are foreign suckers to sink money into the league, it’s all good. Let’s see how long 777 keeps throwing money away! |
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Post by dandayr on Aug 9, 2021 16:52:52 GMT
So the league doesn’t help retain a major market and it shows the inevitable decline of the league. And the league does help retain a major market and it shows a lack of professionalism. basketball kits going to basketball kit I suppose. This not the point DaveF. Its looks shady af and weak of the league. Why not spend proper time doing a proper rebranding instead of rushing out a new team. Sitting a year out and doing it right wouldn't be a bad thing and since Covid will still wreck havoc on ticket sales, sitting out, building the new brand, with a new place to play would be prudent. marketing 101 - it is easier and cheaper to retain a current customer (you treat well) than to start from scratch take a year out - you are starting from scratch and will take time to rebuild a spectator fan base that has found new interests while you take a sit out or - launch now, hit the current fan base desperate to go indoors and see basketball again after a season of live streams i know which one sounds closer to the marketing 101 to me, and its not sitting a year out |
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Post by blueskies99 on Aug 9, 2021 17:07:47 GMT
Could you get away with calling the new team the Rayders?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 17:10:23 GMT
no. but it's a £50+ grand cpurt case if Raiders owners wanted to fight it.
the risk would be a temporary injunction screwing things up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 17:11:34 GMT
This not the point DaveF. Its looks shady af and weak of the league. Why not spend proper time doing a proper rebranding instead of rushing out a new team. Sitting a year out and doing it right wouldn't be a bad thing and since Covid will still wreck havoc on ticket sales, sitting out, building the new brand, with a new place to play would be prudent. marketing 101 - it is easier and cheaper to retain a current customer (you treat well) than to start from scratch take a year out - you are starting from scratch and will take time to rebuild a spectator fan base that has found new interests while you take a sit out or - launch now, hit the current fan base desperate to go indoors and see basketball again after a season of live streams i know which one sounds closer to the marketing 101 to me, and its not sitting a year out Ice hockey had better crowds than BBL before Covid, took a year out, and will still have better crowds than BBL when they return. Ice Hockey! Plymouth Raiders been around for a long time, to downplay them not continuing as a brand goes against any marketing 101 that I know of! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 17:13:07 GMT
comparing NBA and BBL is really like comparing apples and penguins. and irrelevant this is not a rebrand, it's a new franchise at a venue that has successfully staged BBL basketball before. if only Drunky's mate would finally get around to starting league to show us how to do it. 17 years is a long time My mate?? Really, I don’t hang out with people that old, including you Hersey! New franchise with 2 months to go? Seems a bit rushed and not carefully thought out. I remember the praise the Turkish guy got when he invested, now you turn on him because he didn’t want to lose money forever!! Seems about right for British basketball. As long as there are foreign suckers to sink money into the league, it’s all good. Let’s see how long 777 keeps throwing money away! the main izsue with 2 months is rhe ability to bring in import players. the rest is hard work but doable you keep telling us the sky is falling. it's still up there |
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Post by clintonh on Aug 9, 2021 17:15:02 GMT
Plymouth City Patriots. Quite liking the colour scheme
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Post by biggielittle on Aug 9, 2021 17:15:53 GMT
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Post by bullets92 on Aug 9, 2021 17:18:28 GMT
Plymouth City Patriots. Quite liking the colour scheme Colour scheme is about the only positive. Not a fan of the name (any relevance or just a random alliterative choice?) and the logo is as if they’ve just googled “cool designz”. Very generic. |
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Post by isthaturinal on Aug 9, 2021 17:28:25 GMT
So on a lighter note what’s the club to be called, If the set up has been rushed, maybe players brought in that the unknown coach has not picked and perhaps a lot smaller player budget.... I’ll go for Plymouth Butlins Because if the above is true then Plymouth’s season will be over in October just like Butlins.   |
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Aug 9, 2021 17:40:08 GMT
Colour scheme is similar to Glasgow and surrey. Zero relevance to Plymouth in name or appearance. I think it’s pretty crap tbh. But hey, we still have basketball in Plymouth. I would not be surprised if there is a rebrand
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Post by clintonh on Aug 9, 2021 17:56:26 GMT
At least it’s not Wildcats or Bobcats
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