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Post by borthwick on Aug 4, 2022 7:28:45 GMT
It has to be said. Multiply attendance by ticket price, add sponsorship and you get no where near the salary costs let alone total running costs. All the preaching that the BBL is run on solid business principles, not like the bad old days seem very hollow words. I don't get the game plan. How can you ever get a return on investment? How does this improve the league? This team should never come close to losing.
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Post by basketballjoe3 on Aug 4, 2022 8:23:21 GMT
In my view it's spending money to make money. The assumption is that others will follow suit, either in current form or by additional investors at some point in the future.
Yes the league will be lop sided, but the money is being spent to create a platform in Europe to attract higher profile players. Removing the salary cap was the first step to achieving this.
I would seriously doubt that many professional sports teams break even from ticket sales and sponsorship.
The real profit comes from turning the product in to a commodity. In this instance the commodity will be TV rights and the return will be at some point in the future when the value can be realised.
It's a gamble, but fundamentally that's what investing is.
I'm referring to the BBL as a whole, not Lions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2022 8:25:52 GMT
it's a "build it and they will come" games plan, I guess. The goal is EuroLeague, and EuroLeague has always wanted London. They might need the Ukraine war to continue for it to happen. It's hard to see how the numbers can ever work, but many of the EuroLeague numbers don't work, so maybe that's not the aim.
Yes, they should win everything domestically. What I would like to see them do is blood some of the BA kids. With a Euro game virtually every week, they're going to rotate anyway, so this is a real opportunity to show the pathway Vince put in place works & it's not just about chucking money at it. Whether than can work after the way James Vear departed (and he's now BA academy's top man) remains to be seen.
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Post by borthwick on Aug 4, 2022 10:48:41 GMT
Given the salaries these guys could earn in the ACB ( and they could play at that level) Lions salary level must by circa £3million. I hope the coach is up to it!
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Post by borthwick on Aug 4, 2022 10:49:22 GMT
Previous 777 Lions teams have just been the warm up acts
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2022 11:00:16 GMT
Given the salaries these guys could earn in the ACB ( and they could play at that level) Lions salary level must by circa £3million. I hope the coach is up to it! Word on da’ street is £2.5mill |
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Post by gyan on Aug 7, 2022 21:36:54 GMT
I wonder how these investors expect to sell the Lions unearned participation in the (greatly diminished) Eurocup competition to an English media where every major broadcaster has spent decades pretending European basketball doesn't even exist?
Just imagine the level of questioning from the BBC's finest on opening night should they condescend to show up - "Is this the first step towards a London team in the NBA?!?"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 10:25:11 GMT
I doubt the BBC is the target for Lions if they want to be on telly. It's not really their target audience, it's not a Commonwealth sport where we can pretend to be a world power because most of the world doesn't play it. It'll be interesting to see if Sky or BT pick it up, they're certainly not going to pay.
Why do you think the competition is greatly diminished? The Russian teams aren't in anything any more.
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Post by connors on Aug 8, 2022 11:07:38 GMT
I've always believed the best chance basketball has of increasing its exposure is to be on free to air terrestial TV. However that also requires the BBC,ITV.C4, C5 to actually do it properly. You only need to looking at what they do still do well sports wise to see its in their capabilities if they wanted to.
Contradictory to what I say above is that, for me, the BBL "appeared" to be at its strongest when it was originally on SKY Sports.
We love to jump on a bandwagon in this country so lets see if Lions can get some success in Europe and it generates some positive interest in the sport. From what I have seen outside the media outlets that already cover basketball as specialists our success in the 3v3 largely went unremarked so that was another opportunity missed!
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Post by connors on Aug 8, 2022 11:07:55 GMT
Although we were far more successful than Netball
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Post by gyan on Aug 8, 2022 16:41:58 GMT
I doubt the BBC is the target for Lions if they want to be on telly. It's not really their target audience, it's not a Commonwealth sport where we can pretend to be a world power because most of the world doesn't play it. It'll be interesting to see if Sky or BT pick it up, they're certainly not going to pay. Why do you think the competition is greatly diminished? The Russian teams aren't in anything any more. Good point about the BBC but I was just imagining them sending a reporter to the opening night in the Eurocup and being unable to stop themselves with the NBA question.
The Eurocup competition has been gradually diminishing for several years with the rise of the BCL but the Ukraine war has sped that process up. In recent seasons it was being propped up by the Russian teams who usually invested heavily in their rosters, particularly Lokomotiv Kuban and UNICS Kazan. And also by the Spanish teams but they lost Unicaja Malaga (winners in 2017 and a Euroleague club for many years) to the BCL. The suspension of the Russian teams from the Euroleague basically removed two elite Eurocup teams in Valencia and Partizan, in addition to Virtus Bologna who won last season's competition. Adding the third best team in the BBL and the 15th best team in the French Pro A isn't going to make up for those losses.
Eurocup does still have Gran Canaria and Joventut but a lot of fans are now considering the BCL to be the second tier competition.
Sky's coverage of the BBL last season was pretty impressive imo. But as expected, they didn't exactly give it a big promotional push.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 15:46:38 GMT
Fair enough. I think all sport (apart from tennis. apparently) will be without Russian involvement for a while. There's going to be a new world (well, Euro) order.
Four european competitions is probably one too many , and the obvious merger point is BCL & EuroCup. But when has logic ever played a big part in basketball? The advantage of EuroCup over BCL for Lions is guaranteed entry, one-and-done qualifiers aren't helpful when it comes to giving out big-money contracts.
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Post by dandayr on Aug 9, 2022 16:44:19 GMT
and looks like that's will be another big contract issued with their next GB addition today.
if they gel from day 1 going to be interesting to see if anyone keeps in touch in the BBL games
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Post by gardielo on Aug 9, 2022 17:47:46 GMT
Well the GB recruitment is making me want to watch them.
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Post by faz on Aug 17, 2022 6:22:18 GMT
Copper box almost full for Brony and Brice vs the select hoopsfix team. There’s a market for ball just not sure there is for the BBL.
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Post by borthwick on Aug 17, 2022 7:48:06 GMT
Astounding attendance. Sam deserves a medal. How did he market the event? Some learning for sure.
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Post by drivethebody on Oct 12, 2022 7:48:48 GMT
Anyone watch the game last night?
Lions outclassed or decent stab?
Promising for rest of the campaign?
Saint Pat?
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Post by D44 on Oct 12, 2022 19:47:19 GMT
Lions did ok considering Decker rolled his ankle early and only played a few minutes. They were really let down by their 3 point shooting yet again and very much mismatched in the guard position with both of HTA guards being big guys. HTA made numerous ridiculous contested 3 point shots which Steph Curry would have been proud of.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2022 21:02:34 GMT
Anyone watch the game last night? Lions outclassed or decent stab? Promising for rest of the campaign? Saint Pat? Genuinely, I'd have thought you'd have watched it. It was free. It wasn't a bad start. Dekker's injury will worry them. I do the game reports but i know nothing about anything else. my opinion is they'll do okay, they may or may not make the playoffs but they'll be competitive. And as a building season, that should be enough. I've answered you, so here's one you can humour me with: Have you found that screenshot where i wished you and you're family death by cancer? |
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Post by gyan on Oct 18, 2022 16:46:44 GMT
It seems like some people have slightly higher expectations.  |
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Post by connors on Oct 18, 2022 20:36:37 GMT
Good win tonight. Saw the second half and was impressive stuff
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Post by connors on Oct 18, 2022 20:56:14 GMT
Particularly pleased to see the celebrity Soko recall hes a basketballer and come up big
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Post by drivethebody on Oct 19, 2022 20:57:18 GMT
Enjoyed last night - really exciting last quarter.
Decent crowd for a Tue night.
Shame the social media for London is basically picturing random z-list black celebrities rather than the basketball (and I say that as a totally unknown black male myself)! Is this what the potential fans want? The chance to look down at random people from their bleacher seats to see these people courtside? No.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2022 21:05:41 GMT
Well you're certainly unknown. You struggle to remember your own age.
I got home from practice with two minutes remaining. Lions did well in those very long two minutes. A large part of Soko's contribution seemed to have been in the first quarter. I don't know what Insta is, but they appeared to give up reporting in the second half, we assumed they were being gubbed.
It's a decent win for them. I still think their main aim is to get in the play-offs. Anything above seventh would be a major achievement.
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Post by connors on Oct 20, 2022 8:10:35 GMT
Having only seen the second half I was thinking Soko must have had a stinker or be hurt as he was hardly on court to start with. To be fair when he got back in I thought he played well.
For me Lions actually looked like a "Eurocup" team. They did not look like a plucky undersized BBL team playing out of their skins. They looked like they belonged and well they should given the recruitment.
I know a few people who watched the game as it was on BT Sport.
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