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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 12, 2020 7:51:37 GMT
This virus is far worse than bad flu. We've been shielded a bit so far.
Italy doesn't destroy their own economy by shutting everything down. Trump certainly doesn't destroy his own economy like this by banning flights in and out of Europe without the virus and its implications being far worse than we can imagine.
Have you noticed we've seen no video of patients in the corridors of hospitals being left to die (which is what's happening in Italy right now). Governments are protecting us from what's going on behind closed doors.
These are huge decisions Italy and Trump have taken.
They know how bad it is and how bad it may get
Very worrying times
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 7:57:27 GMT
Gobert is a moron
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Post by youngrocks on Mar 12, 2020 8:32:08 GMT
Ignoring the above
My views have changed dramatically in the last 24hrs. Maybe its to our advantage that we are an island as have less people travelling through unlike Italy and france but we seem to be a wait and see where as denmark has closed schools. usa cancelling flights.
The only positive i see is that china seems to be over the worse of it. 2 weeks of no live sport isn't to much to ask. From a bbl perspective playing behind closed doors would be a massive fail and make no financial sense.
Its also worth noting that sky news online report of the 120k so far around the world over 60k have recovered and are no longer infected.
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Post by connors on Mar 12, 2020 8:33:31 GMT
Why is Gobert a moron?
Only time will tell whether Italy and Trump have over reacted or whether countries like the UK have been too slow. This is a meta problem and governments have a difficult job to weigh the cost of lives at risk due to the virus over those that will be at risk due to the potential longer terms effects socially and economically from draconian measures that could be implemented.
Getting this right or wrong is critical......
As an example there were 2500 fans at Anfield last night for Athletico Madrid. Those fans cannot attend their own home games but somehow are safe to fly to UK, travel on public transport and then congregate en masse at the football.....feels like someone has it wrong!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 8:59:41 GMT
Postponing Ireland v Italy in the 6 nations was a waste of income as the Italians travelled and had a party.
From what I've read, the virus doesn't survive well outdoors but the fact it does indoors presents basketball with a problem
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Post by padaceth on Mar 12, 2020 9:04:38 GMT
This virus is far worse than bad flu. We've been shielded a bit so far. Italy doesn't destroy their own economy by shutting everything down. Trump certainly doesn't destroy his own economy like this by banning flights in and out of Europe without the virus and its implications being far worse than we can imagine. Have you noticed we've seen no video of patients in the corridors of hospitals being left to die (which is what's happening in Italy right now). Governments are protecting us from what's going on behind closed doors. These are huge decisions Italy and Trump have taken. They know how bad it is and how bad it may get Very worrying times Was having this very discussion last night with come friends. We are told that this virus has the same effects as flu and yet we don't panic every year about flu. If as you say the virus is far worse than the Government is letting on why are they hiding the truth? Currently the Covid-19 virus is being taken two ways either mad panic or a bit of a joke. Where I work, it is seen by the employees as a bit of a joke, which in reality is going to have the opposite effect as most are still going to come to work if feel slightly unwell. Surely it would be in the interests of the Government to tell the truth and then if it really is the pandemic from hell they would be more likely to heed the warnings. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 12, 2020 9:10:34 GMT
Ignoring the above My views have changed dramatically in the last 24hrs. Maybe its to our advantage that we are an island as have less people travelling through unlike Italy and france but we seem to be a wait and see where as denmark has closed schools. usa cancelling flights. The only positive i see is that china seems to be over the worse of it. 2 weeks of no live sport isn't to much to ask. From a bbl perspective playing behind closed doors would be a massive fail and make no financial sense. Its also worth noting that sky news online report of the 120k so far around the world over 60k have recovered and are no longer infected. If it was as simple as that trust me Italy would never be in shutdown and Trump wouldn't bar European flights in and out. I wish it were that simple. An Italian doctor has described the hospital corridors he works in as resembling a war zone where you have to decide who you can try and save and who you have to leave to die. He decided to speak out. He said its nothing like flu. It's far worse and gets very serous far more quickly. 2 out of 10 who catch it need hospital treatment. And this thing is nowhere near its peak yet. The politicians know how bad it is. But are shielding us im sure. Quite rightly and ps I wouldn't trust anything China tells us. They are doing things their way and saying what they want to say. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 12, 2020 9:14:32 GMT
This virus is far worse than bad flu. We've been shielded a bit so far. Italy doesn't destroy their own economy by shutting everything down. Trump certainly doesn't destroy his own economy like this by banning flights in and out of Europe without the virus and its implications being far worse than we can imagine. Have you noticed we've seen no video of patients in the corridors of hospitals being left to die (which is what's happening in Italy right now). Governments are protecting us from what's going on behind closed doors. These are huge decisions Italy and Trump have taken. They know how bad it is and how bad it may get Very worrying times Was having this very discussion last night with come friends. We are told that this virus has the same effects as flu and yet we don't panic every year about flu. If as you say the virus is far worse than the Government is letting on why are they hiding the truth? Currently the Covid-19 virus is being taken two ways either mad panic or a bit of a joke. Where I work, it is seen by the employees as a bit of a joke, which in reality is going to have the opposite effect as most are still going to come to work if feel slightly unwell. Surely it would be in the interests of the Government to tell the truth and then if it really is the pandemic from hell they would be more likely to heed the warnings. They have to avoid panic. Its very simple. Flu doesn't close a country down for a month. Flu doesn't make you make decisions that will totally destroy the airline industry. The UK goverment have just promised to pay two weeks sick pay for everyone in UK when needed. They don't do that for flu. For those who get it mild it's like flu. For the two out of ten who need to go to hospital its pneumonia and worse. And those odds aren't great. Let's be honest. Although the goverment are trying to control panic. The measures they are taking show this is mega serious guys. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 12, 2020 9:17:10 GMT
Postponing Ireland v Italy in the 6 nations was a waste of income as the Italians travelled and had a party. From what I've read, the virus doesn't survive well outdoors but the fact it does indoors presents basketball with a problem Underground will be closed in London soon. All life will stop for a while. It will become a ghost town |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 12, 2020 9:19:30 GMT
Why is Gobert a moron? Only time will tell whether Italy and Trump have over reacted or whether countries like the UK have been too slow. This is a meta problem and governments have a difficult job to weigh the cost of lives at risk due to the virus over those that will be at risk due to the potential longer terms effects socially and economically from draconian measures that could be implemented. Getting this right or wrong is critical...... As an example there were 2500 fans at Anfield last night for Athletico Madrid. Those fans cannot attend their own home games but somehow are safe to fly to UK, travel on public transport and then congregate en masse at the football.....feels like someone has it wrong! We are just a couple of weeks behind the others. We will at least be able to learn from Italy. We won't be able to learn from China as we won't be able to trust what they say is happening. |
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Post by padaceth on Mar 12, 2020 9:21:45 GMT
Was having this very discussion last night with come friends. We are told that this virus has the same effects as flu and yet we don't panic every year about flu. If as you say the virus is far worse than the Government is letting on why are they hiding the truth? Currently the Covid-19 virus is being taken two ways either mad panic or a bit of a joke. Where I work, it is seen by the employees as a bit of a joke, which in reality is going to have the opposite effect as most are still going to come to work if feel slightly unwell. Surely it would be in the interests of the Government to tell the truth and then if it really is the pandemic from hell they would be more likely to heed the warnings. They have to avoid panic. Its very simple. Flu doesn't close a country down for a month. Flu doesn't make you make decisions that will totally destroy the airline industry. The he goverment have just promised to pay two weeks sick pay for everyone in UK when needed. They don't do that for flu. For those who get it mild it's like flu. For the two out of ten who need to go to hospital its pneumonia and worse. And those odds aren't great. Yes I totally agree Flu doesn't close a country down but it also kills the old and those with underlying medical conditions every year in far greater numbers so why is Covid-19 different when they are saying that most will get mild symptoms. Public Health England estimate that roughly 17000 people die each year in England from the Flu yet the Government doesn't shut down the country every winter because of that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 9:23:20 GMT
Did you seriously just ask me that? I guess you didn't see his stunt where he touched the mics then walked away laughing? He basically mocked it Then he gets diagnosed with coronavirus causing the league to get suspended, so why is Gobert a moron? Karma, he played with fire and got burned, sports people aren't exactly the brightest.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 12, 2020 9:24:50 GMT
They have to avoid panic. Its very simple. Flu doesn't close a country down for a month. Flu doesn't make you make decisions that will totally destroy the airline industry. The he goverment have just promised to pay two weeks sick pay for everyone in UK when needed. They don't do that for flu. For those who get it mild it's like flu. For the two out of ten who need to go to hospital its pneumonia and worse. And those odds aren't great. Yes I totally agree Flu doesn't close a country down but it also kills the old and those with underlying medical conditions every year in far greater numbers so why is Covid-19 different when they are saying that most will get mild symptoms. Public Health England estimate that roughly 17000 people die each year in England from the Flu yet the Government doesn't shut down the country every winter because of that. When I last looked 12 people from the SAME care home in Washington had died from cornavirus virus in less than a week. Flu has never done anywhere near that anywhere. Imagine that happening in every care home around the world as it spreads. There's probably more died in that care home since. Once it gets established somewhere it's awful. And far more lethal than flu. We just link it to flu for the people who get it mild. But way too many get it serious. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 12, 2020 9:27:43 GMT
They have to avoid panic. Its very simple. Flu doesn't close a country down for a month. Flu doesn't make you make decisions that will totally destroy the airline industry. The he goverment have just promised to pay two weeks sick pay for everyone in UK when needed. They don't do that for flu. For those who get it mild it's like flu. For the two out of ten who need to go to hospital its pneumonia and worse. And those odds aren't great. Yes I totally agree Flu doesn't close a country down but it also kills the old and those with underlying medical conditions every year in far greater numbers so why is Covid-19 different when they are saying that most will get mild symptoms. Public Health England estimate that roughly 17000 people die each year in England from the Flu yet the Government doesn't shut down the country every winter because of that. It's only just started padaceth. It's when it gets established in a town or city that the figures are horrendously scary. That's why the world is shutting down |
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Post by padaceth on Mar 12, 2020 9:31:41 GMT
Yes I totally agree Flu doesn't close a country down but it also kills the old and those with underlying medical conditions every year in far greater numbers so why is Covid-19 different when they are saying that most will get mild symptoms. Public Health England estimate that roughly 17000 people die each year in England from the Flu yet the Government doesn't shut down the country every winter because of that. When I last looked 12 people from the SAME care home in Washington had died from cornavirus virus in less than a week. Flu has never done anywhere near that anywhere. Imagine that happening in every care home around the world as it spreads. There's probably more died in that care home since. Once it gets established somewhere it's awful. But it does, I assume you are taking about Washington DC and not Washington in the North East as only 6 people have died in the whole of the UK so far. In America roughly between 1-2% of the population get Flu every year and from that around 0.2% die. There are a number of cases in America where an outbreak of flu has killed a large number of residents in a care home. It is lethal to the elderly and those with respiratory illnesses. Which brings me back to the original point, if Covid-19 is worse than flu why are they down playing it in one breath and then saying they are going to shut schools, ban sporting events etc in the next breath surely one consistent message would be more beneficial as currently most of the population is not taking the virus seriously and therefore it will make containment difficult. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Mar 12, 2020 9:33:53 GMT
With IRF the whole way here.
Its not your average every day variation on a flu strain. We should be taking it a lot more seriously. Glad BloJo seems to have finally woken up - Cobra meeting at 12 will be telling....
The reason they're playing it down is to avoid apocalyptic like panic, but at the same time taking extremely radical (I'd go that far) steps to contain/delay its spread. |
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Post by faz on Mar 12, 2020 9:46:42 GMT
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Post by warewolf on Mar 12, 2020 10:02:13 GMT
Ok allow me to give some perspective here.
I come from Bergamo in Lombardy, we are at the epicentre of the pandemic, I am following this closely for two reasons
1. I have family and friends that are directly affected, indeed two of my cousins are senior consultants at one of the main regional hospitals.
2. I do most of my busines in and out of the region so I am only too aware of the economics of all this.
In Italy we have one of the world's best healthcare systems, it is well equipped and resourced with Europe's highest number of intensive care beds, way beyond anything we have here in the UK. Despite this the system risks becoming overwhelmed, particularly intensive care. Covid 19 develops rapidly ending in double pneumonia in some cases. Contagion is so rapid that it is almost impossible to keep up with it. In addition to this many people are unaffected and are asymptomatic which means that they can freely spread the virus despite having no symptoms. In other words they don't know they have it.
The Government in Italy has acted decisively, isolating the four or five towns where the first infections were found. They were placed in total isolation and the new infections have almost stopped in 3 and there have been no new infections for two days in Codogno where this began. So these measure are effective but you have to act fast.
The UK is now past the point at which these measures should have been taken. Why? They know that the NHS would be swamped not only by cases of covid 19 but through people coming into hospital instead of self isolating. They are banking on the virus subsiding in the summer months. This is a huge gamble. If it pays off all well and good. I hope it does. If it doesn't then they will have created a catastrophe that they could have avoided. I hate to say it but to me they look like they are asleep at the wheel.
The USA banning flights is understandable, but in reality their president really doesn't have a clue what's he is doing. He is a rabbit in the headlights, their insurance based healcare system is simply not designed to deal with a major epidemic on this scale. Trump is more concerned with political matters, blaming everyone else is very easy, giving leadership in a crisis is not. He is failing miserably. Economy before health. That's the wrong way round when you are facing a crisis of this scale.
As far as the BBL is concerned, let all stay safe and be careful. Wash your hands when you get to the arenas, use sanitiser that no doubt the club's are providing, avoid shaking hand with anyone, don't share any foodstuffs and above all, if you feel in any way unwell or under the weather, do not got to the game.
Let's stay safe, do the responsible thing and we can lead the way and be an example to other sports.
Ps. Apologies for any typos, this is a lot to type on a mobile...
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Post by interestedridersfan on Mar 12, 2020 10:03:57 GMT
With IRF the whole way here.
Its not your average every day variation on a flu strain. We should be taking it a lot more seriously. Glad BloJo seems to have finally woken up - Cobra meeting at 12 will be telling....
The reason they're playing it down is to avoid apocalyptic like panic, but at the same time taking extremely radical (I'd go that far) steps to contain/delay its spread. The damage done to the economy will ruin and kill many more as well in so many various ways in due course Italians really in the **** right now. But that could be all of us soon I fear. |
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Post by connors on Mar 12, 2020 10:07:49 GMT
Did you seriously just ask me that? I guess you didn't see his stunt where he touched the mics then walked away laughing? He basically mocked it Then he gets diagnosed with coronavirus causing the league to get suspended, so why is Gobert a moron? Karma, he played with fire and got burned, sports people aren't exactly the brightest. yes I was seriously asking you that and no I did not see that he did that. Thanks for enlightening me. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Mar 12, 2020 10:24:24 GMT
With IRF the whole way here.
Its not your average every day variation on a flu strain. We should be taking it a lot more seriously. Glad BloJo seems to have finally woken up - Cobra meeting at 12 will be telling....
The reason they're playing it down is to avoid apocalyptic like panic, but at the same time taking extremely radical (I'd go that far) steps to contain/delay its spread. The damage done to the economy will ruin and kill many more as well in so many various ways in due course Italians really in the **** right now. But that could be all of us soon I fear. We're two weeks removed from the position they're in by my estimations.
About time we acted fast.
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Post by connors on Mar 12, 2020 10:52:58 GMT
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Post by leamrider2 on Mar 12, 2020 12:08:05 GMT
I am a governor at a large NHS Foundation Trust that runs four hospitals in the Midlands. Be under no illusion: this is deadly serious. The main acute hospitals have all established specialist triage units (known as pods) to receive anyone advised to go there after phoning 111. Most will be sent home to self isolate; if serious they will be admitted and if necessary transferred to one of the five hospitals now set up as COVID-19 centres. That's all fine and dandy, but I am astonished at how slow the UK government has been to react and take action on public meetings. If they do not do so soon, the numbers exponentially ramp up.
I see that the Republic of Ireland had now shut down all basketball.
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