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Post by LTFan on Nov 27, 2020 16:10:48 GMT
As for the BBL being short-sighted on this... 5,000 fans paying £20 a month generates £100,000 a month. 20,000 fans paying £10 a month generates £200,000 a month. I think that says it all really. I don't think 5000 fans would sign up at even £5 per month. You're over estimating the interest. Maybe, maybe not. But if you think even 5,000 fans wouldn't sign up at £5 a month can you imagine how many won't sign up at £20 a month! But the numbers are a bit irrelevant, my point is you can easily make more money in total by charging fans less. But that logic appears to be lost on the people at the BBL running this service. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 16:17:03 GMT
The strategy is to exploit the most committed fans, not to grow the fan base. Very short sighted. I haven't decided what my favourite team is yet. I wonder what percentage of the population has a favourite BBL team. Probably something like 0.02%. Sky is there to attract fans, things like a league pass are for the committed fans. The Football League has gone down exactly the same route. No one's being exploited, even if it's not fantastic value. And it's really not about your indecision. If indeed you're really undecided.
It's the end of my "weekend viewing" article. But I'll cope.
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 27, 2020 16:59:14 GMT
The strategy is to exploit the most committed fans, not to grow the fan base. Very short sighted. I haven't decided what my favourite team is yet. I wonder what percentage of the population has a favourite BBL team. Probably something like 0.02%. Sky is there to attract fans, things like a league pass are for the committed fans. The Football League has gone down exactly the same route. No one's being exploited, even if it's not fantastic value. And it's really not about your indecision. If indeed you're really undecided.
It's the end of my "weekend viewing" article. But I'll cope.
I don't have any reason to pretend to be undecided. I'm undecided between Bristol and Worcester. I thought I was going to be a Bristol fan but I am moving towards Worcester. I am definitely a fan of Worcester Wolves Women's Team. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 17:15:48 GMT
As they're both free you have no cause for complaint
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Post by tvtigersfan on Nov 27, 2020 18:01:40 GMT
If it’s Keemotion cameras, not sure any pricing structure will make it good value!
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Post by allstring on Nov 27, 2020 18:38:41 GMT
If it’s Keemotion cameras, not sure any pricing structure will make it good value! It's Keemotion (on the BBLPlayer) for the Sky matches! |
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Post by allstring on Nov 27, 2020 18:55:50 GMT
The strategy is to exploit the most committed fans, not to grow the fan base. Very short sighted. I haven't decided what my favourite team is yet. I wonder what percentage of the population has a favourite BBL team. Probably something like 0.02%. Sky is there to attract fans, things like a league pass are for the committed fans. The Football League has gone down exactly the same route. I guess a good proportion of committed fans fall into the Season Ticket category. So for those clubs who have sold Season Tickets, I'd assume those who purchased they get the Home Games for Free. Which leads to something that perhaps could have been considered better. The single game purchase is good value if you could watch on demand. The Monthly option gives On Demand but doesn't cater for the viewer who wants to watch games not involving their team, or who don't follow a specific team. Of course it maybe that Season Ticket Holders get the bonus of Away games as well. A League Pass with On Demand would have been an attractive offer. Keemotion for those without Sky is a bit of a negative. I understand it's difficult trying to get the right balance here though. |
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Post by rideralex on Nov 27, 2020 19:07:13 GMT
As they're both free you have no cause for complaint Bristol is not free. For some inexplicable reason they have been allowed to use their own paid for platform rather than be a part of the one that everyone else is using. |
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Post by saintpat on Nov 27, 2020 19:18:45 GMT
I don't have an issue, I spend at least £40 for every home game we go to and more for an away game & that's a conservative estimate. £20 to watch 4 or 5 games is very good value for me & my family.
It really depends who they're aiming this service at, if it's diehard fans of a particular club, then like me, they're likely to pay it. Occasional fans won't, particularly on a long term basis. If it was to watch all clubs, the take up would be higher but would it be significantly higher?
If you're trying to attract new fans, then it's a complete waste of time.
However, I'm not sure what they're trying to gain by not opening up to all games. I'm happy to pay £20 per month to watch my team, I'm not going to pay another £20 per month to watch another team & I'm highly unlikely to pay £4.99 to watch anyone else, particularly if the only way I can watch it is 'live' with no ability to watch it at a convenient time for me! I move things round to watch my team, I'm not doing that for anyone else.
I'm guessing that I'm far from alone with this, so me paying £20 per month to watch my teams games & also the ability to watch other teams will not have a negative financial costing on the other clubs.
I'd still be paying my club £20 per month, so that helps them.
With a 'all' team pass fans could watch back a particular game that was deemed as good or exciting at a later date, they could become more invested in the league. They might therefore be more likely to go to a game when they were able as they knew more about the other teams.
I just don't think it's been fully thought through particularly for occasional fans & they are the VAST majority of people who go to games.
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Post by allstring on Nov 27, 2020 19:33:36 GMT
As they're both free you have no cause for complaint Bristol is not free. For some inexplicable reason they have been allowed to use their own paid for platform rather than be a part of the one that everyone else is using. That is not good. Bristol Game pass is also £4.99 so that's not an issue. But excluding from the BBL Player Team Monthly subscription is disappointing. For some teams that is minimal (one game). But could another team miss a few games. I'm not entirely sure what matches are included in the BBL Trophy, but is it possible that in addition to two away games, a team could also be drawn away to Bristol in the Trophy plus the away leg of a two-legged Play Off? I'm surprised that Bristol have been allowed to exclude their home matches from another teams BBLPlayer subscription. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 19:34:35 GMT
As they're both free you have no cause for complaint Bristol is not free. For some inexplicable reason they have been allowed to use their own paid for platform rather than be a part of the one that everyone else is using. Interesting. It's explainable, though. BBL clubs don't have to sign up to this. It's their product to sell - some BE don't recognise with D1 - they don't have to make it available through a hastily, and arguably badly, put together platform. |
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Post by dandayr on Nov 27, 2020 19:41:56 GMT
i suspect if you offer a all team pass you get disputes over who gets that money cause team x reckons folk tune in to watch them more than other teams so they should get a bigger % but team y reckons it should be equally split over all bbl sides
easy peasy to solve - dont offer the chance to sign up for an all team pass.
Instead have you sign up for a monthly pass for your club of choice (who then get all the money as you want to happen) and as a bonus for supporting the sport, you get to see all other BBL games anyway.
Clubs are happy as no having to work out how to divide the money for a all game monthly pass, fans are happy cause they know the money they pay goes to the club of their choice and they see all bbl games not just that club (though seriously who has time to watch them all)
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Post by allstring on Nov 27, 2020 19:52:10 GMT
I don't have an issue, I spend at least £40 for every home game we go to and more for an away game & that's a conservative estimate. £20 to watch 4 or 5 games is very good value for me & my family. It really depends who they're aiming this service at, if it's diehard fans of a particular club, then like me, they're likely to pay it. Occasional fans won't, particularly on a long term basis. If it was to watch all clubs, the take up would be higher but would it be significantly higher? If you're trying to attract new fans, then it's a complete waste of time. However, I'm not sure what they're trying to gain by not opening up to all games. I'm happy to pay £20 per month to watch my team, I'm not going to pay another £20 per month to watch another team & I'm highly unlikely to pay £4.99 to watch anyone else, particularly if the only way I can watch it is 'live' with no ability to watch it at a convenient time for me! I move things round to watch my team, I'm not doing that for anyone else. I'm guessing that I'm far from alone with this, so me paying £20 per month to watch my teams games & also the ability to watch other teams will not have a negative financial costing on the other clubs. I'd still be paying my club £20 per month, so that helps them. With a 'all' team pass fans could watch back a particular game that was deemed as good or exciting at a later date, they could become more invested in the league. They might therefore be more likely to go to a game when they were able as they knew more about the other teams. I just don't think it's been fully thought through particularly for occasional fans & they are the VAST majority of people who go to games. Very good overview highlighting both the positives (the ability to watch all your teams matches for £20 a month is great and even more so if there is more than one person in a household watching), whilst also addressing the areas where perhaps things could have been done a bit differently. You make an excellent point about an All League pass in terms of there will be very limited take-up for a single game pass or a second Monthly pass for those purchasing their teams Monthly pass. I agree that the inclusion of all matches would not have a negligible negative impact on other teams and actually may have a benefit. I think that argument is excellent and would enable subscribers to select the team to receive the money or split it 11 ways. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 20:38:38 GMT
i suspect if you offer a all team pass you get disputes over who gets that money cause team x reckons folk tune in to watch them more than other teams so they should get a bigger % but team y reckons it should be equally split over all bbl sides easy peasy to solve - dont offer the chance to sign up for an all team pass. Instead have you sign up for a monthly pass for your club of choice (who then get all the money as you want to happen) and as a bonus for supporting the sport, you get to see all other BBL games anyway. Clubs are happy as no having to work out how to divide the money for a all game monthly pass, fans are happy cause they know the money they pay goes to the club of their choice and they see all bbl games not just that club (though seriously who has time to watch them all) Sort of what i said. Great minds..... |
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Post by LTFan on Nov 27, 2020 23:22:58 GMT
I still think £10 for all of a single teams games (profits going to that team) and an upgrade to £20 for all games (profits of that additional £10 split between the other teams) makes the most sense. Still with a £5 per game ‘pay as you go’ option too (profits going to the home team). Simple.
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Post by LTFan on Nov 27, 2020 23:28:29 GMT
Meanwhile, there were ‘technical difficulties’ with the first game (Giants/Rocks) on the new BBL Player subscription service this evening... resulting in customers being unable to watch the game and it being moved to YouTube for free mid way through the game.
What a mess.
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Post by baldereagle on Nov 27, 2020 23:59:33 GMT
Why am I not surprised ?
Should I pay BBLPlayer £4.99 to watch Sharks v Eagles or try Nunchee whatever that is on the Sharks website, or just wait for the second half on YouTube ?
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Post by youngrocks on Nov 28, 2020 7:34:49 GMT
I eventually got in via the bblplayer last niggt. The stream quality was very good. Lacking stats and clearly wasnt available for all. Im a bit confused why it was rushed through and as stated on here needs some tinkering.
Hopefully we see alot of uodates in the days and weeks ahead.
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Post by sussexbantam on Nov 28, 2020 8:49:08 GMT
I don't have an issue, I spend at least £40 for every home game we go to and more for an away game & that's a conservative estimate. £20 to watch 4 or 5 games is very good value for me & my family. It really depends who they're aiming this service at, if it's diehard fans of a particular club, then like me, they're likely to pay it. Occasional fans won't, particularly on a long term basis. If it was to watch all clubs, the take up would be higher but would it be significantly higher? If you're trying to attract new fans, then it's a complete waste of time. However, I'm not sure what they're trying to gain by not opening up to all games. I'm happy to pay £20 per month to watch my team, I'm not going to pay another £20 per month to watch another team & I'm highly unlikely to pay £4.99 to watch anyone else, particularly if the only way I can watch it is 'live' with no ability to watch it at a convenient time for me! I move things round to watch my team, I'm not doing that for anyone else. I'm guessing that I'm far from alone with this, so me paying £20 per month to watch my teams games & also the ability to watch other teams will not have a negative financial costing on the other clubs. I'd still be paying my club £20 per month, so that helps them. With a 'all' team pass fans could watch back a particular game that was deemed as good or exciting at a later date, they could become more invested in the league. They might therefore be more likely to go to a game when they were able as they knew more about the other teams. I just don't think it's been fully thought through particularly for occasional fans & they are the VAST majority of people who go to games. Exactly this - well summarised Pat ! |
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Post by drivethebody on Nov 28, 2020 9:08:40 GMT
Although I don’t think everything should be free (like football never should be except for FA cup games) I do think basketball is not helping itself at all here. Not that BBL has ever really cared for the sport as it’s a franchise business model.
In terms of future players etc - most good ones will come from inner city areas like they always have. Whether that need role models and to watch games for motivation to play is always debatable. There is however the fact that hundreds of young uns now def won’t be watching BBL. whether that will stop then picking up and bouncing a ball is unknown but free BBl would always have been a better option. College kids definitely won’t pay 20 quid a month
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Post by doners123 on Nov 28, 2020 9:24:17 GMT
Agree with most comments on here.
I’m new to watching the BBL well relatively I watched my first raiders game about 4 years ago and have since near enough watched every home game and been to away games as well.
I was happy just being a Raiders fan however I started to enjoy the basketball as a league more and more. I started to research teams who were coming down and slowly and slowly basketball has gone up alongside my other two fave sports or speedway and football.
Most weekends I watch any game that’s on and will try and learn new players and I’m still trying to learn the rules and positions etc etc.
With this new Subscription coming in I won’t be able to do this and I feel that I may now only be able to watch raiders. Will my wider enjoyment of basketball now go down.
I feel the clever way would be to give the public 3 options to pay..... BUT the simple solution around making sure the money goes to the correct team you want it to is simply select an option when you sign up as someone mentioned before. This could be one team or separated between as many teams needed.
I will decide later if I’m going to sign up, if I manage to get to raiders home games now we are potentially allowed in I will not sign up, should I not be allowed in then I will more than likely sign up or choose the £4.99 option. However I won t be paying any more than £20 a month and therefore will now highly unlikely (apart from Worcester ) get to see any other basketball.
From here my logically solution as many others have said is £10 gets you one team only, £20 gets you all games and £5 gets you one off games.
I dont think anyone is seriously going to pay £20 or even £5 to watch any other team. I think the BBL bosses are well out touch from what they have here.
Let’s hope they rethink it and we can get many more new fans to the sport, I mean I’ve manage to persuade friends and family to watch raiders now it’s free and they wanted to come however it’s unlikely now.
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 28, 2020 9:54:47 GMT
I guess it is inevitable that Worcester Wolves will become the favourite team of any casual BBL fans new to the sport.
As we're all set for a very restricted season, that could result in a lot of new Worcester Wolves armchair fans.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2020 11:29:54 GMT
will that pay any bills
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 28, 2020 14:08:46 GMT
There could be a long term return from it. Short term, these new fans might buy from the shop. I get the impression they don't exactly have creditors breaking down their door. And from next weekend they should be able to have 1000 spectators. I think they'll be okay. |
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Post by spaghettihoops on Nov 28, 2020 14:28:32 GMT
i suspect if you offer a all team pass you get disputes over who gets that money cause team x reckons folk tune in to watch them more than other teams so they should get a bigger % but team y reckons it should be equally split over all bbl sides I figured that's why too. I know that for people who are interested enough to talk BBL on What's Bev there's a desire to have access to all teams' games, but I'm not sure there's all that many people who fall into that category. Only a fraction of people who pay to go to their team's games will pay to watch their team online, and only a fraction of those will have any interest in watching other teams' games. The number might just be too small for the league to bother working out how to distribute the fees. |
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