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Post by foxprorawks on Nov 28, 2020 14:40:53 GMT
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Post by foxprorawks on Nov 28, 2020 15:06:15 GMT
Sharks game this weekend will also be on YouTube.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2020 15:45:32 GMT
There could be a long term return from it. Short term, these new fans might buy from the shop. I get the impression they don't exactly have creditors breaking down their door. And from next weekend they should be able to have 1000 spectators. I think they'll be okay. You seem to ignore the fact that the clubs need money NOW. When Eagles are allowed crowds again, they'll fill the reduced capacity for the rest of the season. So if they decide not to charge the 200+ paying viewers per game, they're giving up £1000+ per game and will need to reimburse the 300 or so season ticket holders. So we're looking at £2500 a game (very conservative estimate), how many people are going to find Eagles tucked away on the internet and become regular fans to make for those losses? The numbers simply don't add up. |
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 28, 2020 16:56:17 GMT
There could be a long term return from it. Short term, these new fans might buy from the shop. I get the impression they don't exactly have creditors breaking down their door. And from next weekend they should be able to have 1000 spectators. I think they'll be okay. You seem to ignore the fact that the clubs need money NOW. When Eagles are allowed crowds again, they'll fill the reduced capacity for the rest of the season. So if they decide not to charge the 200+ paying viewers per game, they're giving up £1000+ per game and will need to reimburse the 300 or so season ticket holders. So we're looking at £2500 a game (very conservative estimate), how many people are going to find Eagles tucked away on the internet and become regular fans to make for those losses? The numbers simply don't add up. I was talking specifically about Worcester Wolves. Worcester Wolves are part of the University of Worcester. They seem to be quite prominent in UoW's brand. They have players to pay but probably not creditors. They could come under pressure from the university to cut costs if the university is in trouble financially. We have seen before where a university has a change of leadership and a professional sports team gets dropped. That is a bigger risk to Worcester Wolves than running out of cash. Eagles have only just built a new arena, so probably owe a lot of money. They probably face a very serious risk of insolvency and bankruptcy. Bristol and Plymouth have rich owners and have not invested in new arenas so they are probably fairly financially secure. Each club has its own particular situation and will act in its own self interest. No one wants to lose a BBL team, but if it happens it happens. The BBL has lost a lot of teams but the BBL survives. |
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Post by saintpat on Nov 28, 2020 17:40:49 GMT
i suspect if you offer a all team pass you get disputes over who gets that money cause team x reckons folk tune in to watch them more than other teams so they should get a bigger % but team y reckons it should be equally split over all bbl sides I figured that's why too. I know that for people who are interested enough to talk BBL on What's Bev there's a desire to have access to all teams' games, but I'm not sure there's all that many people who fall into that category. Only a fraction of people who pay to go to their team's games will pay to watch their team online, and only a fraction of those will have any interest in watching other teams' games. The number might just be too small for the league to bother working out how to distribute the fees. Which was exactly my point earlier, I pay £20 per month to watch Lions, it goes to them, I'm very very unlikely to spend money to watch someone else, however if I get full access, I'm likely to browse other games, either live or at a later date, so there's no monetary advantage to all the other clubs by me not having full access. All that happens is that I'm more focused on the BBL as a whole with full access & that could mean I'm more likely to go to Lions away games when the opportunity arises! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2020 19:25:46 GMT
You seem to ignore the fact that the clubs need money NOW. When Eagles are allowed crowds again, they'll fill the reduced capacity for the rest of the season. So if they decide not to charge the 200+ paying viewers per game, they're giving up £1000+ per game and will need to reimburse the 300 or so season ticket holders. So we're looking at £2500 a game (very conservative estimate), how many people are going to find Eagles tucked away on the internet and become regular fans to make for those losses? The numbers simply don't add up. I was talking specifically about Worcester Wolves. Worcester Wolves are part of the University of Worcester. They seem to be quite prominent in UoW's brand. They have players to pay but probably not creditors. They could come under pressure from the university to cut costs if the university is in trouble financially. We have seen before where a university has a change of leadership and a professional sports team gets dropped. That is a bigger risk to Worcester Wolves than running out of cash. Eagles have only just built a new arena, so probably owe a lot of money. They probably face a very serious risk of insolvency and bankruptcy. Bristol and Plymouth have rich owners and have not invested in new arenas so they are probably fairly financially secure. Each club has its own particular situation and will act in its own self interest. No one wants to lose a BBL team, but if it happens it happens. The BBL has lost a lot of teams but the BBL survives. Thanks for the lecture. Amazing insight for someone who's never been to a game. Allegedly |
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Nov 28, 2020 19:45:36 GMT
My point is, some clubs are desperate for money NOW, whereas for others that isn't such an urgent problem.
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Nov 28, 2020 20:30:32 GMT
I was talking specifically about Worcester Wolves. Worcester Wolves are part of the University of Worcester. They seem to be quite prominent in UoW's brand. They have players to pay but probably not creditors. They could come under pressure from the university to cut costs if the university is in trouble financially. We have seen before where a university has a change of leadership and a professional sports team gets dropped. That is a bigger risk to Worcester Wolves than running out of cash. Eagles have only just built a new arena, so probably owe a lot of money. They probably face a very serious risk of insolvency and bankruptcy. Bristol and Plymouth have rich owners and have not invested in new arenas so they are probably fairly financially secure. Each club has its own particular situation and will act in its own self interest. No one wants to lose a BBL team, but if it happens it happens. The BBL has lost a lot of teams but the BBL survives. Thanks for the lecture. Amazing insight for someone who's never been to a game. Allegedly I give it a week before another bet is announced and he’s calling you dude again |
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Post by davef on Nov 28, 2020 20:45:44 GMT
Yep Eagles (who simply rent an arena) are at risk of insolvency and bankruptcy?
Nope
The Eagles Community Foundation (which built the arena) could I suppose become insolvent if the lenders which paid for approx 1/3 of it decided to call the loan in.
Which they won’t.
Pretty clear what we are dealing with here : needs to go back under the bridge.
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Post by kautostar on Nov 29, 2020 19:34:21 GMT
Was very confused tonight that I wasn't asked for payment to watch the Manchester Giants game. Until I saw this thread lol.
Personally, I think the charges are reasonable and I'm happy to pay especially if my team benefits financially.
Incidentally, on my laptop, it is showing bbl.org.co.uk as a non secure site. Was wondering if anyone else has had this message?
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Post by rideralex on Nov 29, 2020 19:54:20 GMT
Was very confused tonight that I wasn't asked for payment to watch the Manchester Giants game. Until I saw this thread lol. Personally, I think the charges are reasonable and I'm happy to pay especially if my team benefits financially. Incidentally, on my laptop, it is showing bbl.org.co.uk as a non secure site. Was wondering if anyone else has had this message? The BBL site shows as non-secure on chrome because it continues to use the older HTTP protocol. Ideally they'd update the site to HTTPS to get rid of the message as it can put people off browsing the site but as it isn't a site that requires users to input information (and is hardly the kind of thing the government or other agencies will care about people doing) there is no real risk to using it. The BBL player is hosted on another site that is using HTTPS so it's not going to be an issue in that regard. |
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Post by kautostar on Nov 29, 2020 19:56:15 GMT
Thanks pal. Very helpful
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Post by retsek on Nov 30, 2020 14:49:42 GMT
If it’s Keemotion cameras, not sure any pricing structure will make it good value! So that's what it's called!!! There's a special place in hell reserved for whoever invented that garbage! How can camera technology be so badly designed in 2020. Even a stationary camera would be better, at least you wouldn't get motion sickness from the endless zooming in and out! |
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Post by retsek on Nov 30, 2020 14:51:16 GMT
Sharks game this weekend will also be on YouTube. Wait.... oh ffs. I just assumed the free YouTube service would stop now the bbl thing went live!? That's just pure comedy. Well hopefully that saved me a fiver for the next home game. |
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Post by LTFan on Nov 30, 2020 14:59:30 GMT
If it’s Keemotion cameras, not sure any pricing structure will make it good value! If it’s Keemotion cameras, not sure any pricing structure will make it good value! It's Keemotion (on the BBLPlayer) for the Sky matches! It's Keemotion for almost all of the games on BBL Player, with just a few exceptions (like Lions home games). I think what they mean when they say it's Keemotion for Sky Sports games is that the Sky coverage will obviously have a more professional set up but the BBL Player will still have the regular Keemotion coverage. |
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Post by LTFan on Nov 30, 2020 15:00:35 GMT
Sharks game this weekend will also be on YouTube. Wait.... oh ffs. I just assumed the free YouTube service would stop now the bbl thing went live!? That's just pure comedy. Well hopefully that saved me a fiver for the next home game. They appear to have somewhat reverted to YouTube due to the unreliability of the new BBL Player. I'm sure the YouTube coverage (apart from Wolves) will stop once BBL Player actually works. |
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Post by retsek on Nov 30, 2020 15:04:32 GMT
Wait.... oh ffs. I just assumed the free YouTube service would stop now the bbl thing went live!? That's just pure comedy. Well hopefully that saved me a fiver for the next home game. They appear to have somewhat reverted to YouTube due to the unreliability of the new BBL Player. I'm sure the YouTube coverage (apart from Wolves) will stop once BBL Player actually works. I'm sorry, but I simply refuse to accept this sir. A paid site, broadcasting BBL games... not working? Surely not. |
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Dec 1, 2020 11:38:03 GMT
Found this in a book
“If sport is not working on TV, is not attracting an audience, is languishing, the problem lies with the people conbasketball kiting that sport. They have either failed to keep that sport vital and alive, through laziness or mismanagement, or they have allowed people presenting their sport to the public through television to get away with sloppy, lazy or inattentive production.”
David Hill - Chairman and CEO, FOX Sports Television
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 12:54:44 GMT
Ah, Fox. The people who still think Trump won the election.
Let's be realistic. Even the NBA has never really taken off in the UK. They wouldn't have dumped the O2 game if so.
Can the British game do better (in pretty much everything)? Yes, of course. And being on Sky will be a massive boost. Let's be realistic about our goals, though. |
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Dec 1, 2020 13:21:01 GMT
The goal should be to have a league and a national team on a level with France, Russia, Italy and Germany. That's not going to happen in 2 years but that should be the ultimate goal.
To get there there should be certain milestone objectives, and getting onto Sky Sports could be one of those objectives.
Another important objective would be to get regular mentions on Radio 5 Live.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 13:34:59 GMT
Excellent. No one had ever considered that.
If you cpyld just let us know what we need to do. I'll certainly get straight on it. Just after Y7 RE has finished
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Post by chesterdonnelly on Dec 1, 2020 13:56:19 GMT
Excellent. No one had ever considered that. If you cpyld just let us know what we need to do. I'll certainly get straight on it. Just after Y7 RE has finished We need someone on the inside. Someone with power in the BBC. It really wouldn't take much. One person can change a lot. It could be slipped into the sports news. Less than 10 seconds is required. People would hardly notice. I made a note of the sports covered in the BBC Sports news the other day. It went like this: Golf, football, rugby union, rugby league, women's boxing, horse racing. They could have slipped the day's BBL result in between rugby league and women's boxing. Most people would not even notice, but subliminally they would become aware that basketball is one of our professional sports. |
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Post by LTFan on Dec 2, 2020 16:02:31 GMT
This is being discussed elsewhere, but I thought I'd post it here so we've got everything in one place... The BBL have admitted they got it wrong, have apologised, and have changed the monthly subscription package for BBL Player. A monthly subscription, which is still £19.99, will now get you access to all games (not just those of a single team), excluding Bristol home games. When signing up you have the option to select the team which benefits from your subscription or for it to be shared amongst all teams. Games can still be purchased individually for £4.99, with the home team of that game benefiting from your payment. They've also said that all technical issues have been resolved, and as a goodwill gesture all games are free to all registered users of BBL Player this weekend. Full credit to the BBL for listening to fans and making some changes. I'll now register.  |
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Post by MansfieldMike on Dec 6, 2020 0:52:20 GMT
They've also said that all technical issues have been resolved, and as a goodwill gesture all games are free to all registered users of BBL Player this weekend. It's a good job it's free this weekend, 'cos it's STILL not working  |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Dec 6, 2020 9:26:06 GMT
So, has it actually worked for a whole game yet?
I was originally of the view it was a bit of a joke that Flyers and Worcester were allowed to operate outside the scope of the BBL player (albeit Worcester are doing it for nothing on youtube meaning I'll be watching all their games), but now it seems they knew better and were better off away from it.
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