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Post by connors on Jun 29, 2021 14:21:24 GMT
I thought I would start a thread ostensibly so we can discuss the Olympic basketball tournament.....should it actually go ahead as planned of course! Actually though I just wanted to post the link to this ridiculous story of an NBA All Star skipping it to work on his skills and the equally ridiculous (and very un antipodean) response from the Aussie National Team coach! Poor Ben
He clearly does have some serious work to do on his shooting (massively below par for a player of his other considerable skills) but the reaction - ""The best thing for everybody right now is for him to go on and develop that skill package and improve in a couple of areas for his next season in the NBA, but the Boomers are always here for him. We wanted him to know that in his time of need, the culture and the guys here are behind him and support him," Goorjian said." is more akin to how you would talk about somebody dealing with serious personal issues and not a wonky jump shot!! Should those mentioned as playing for Team USA turn up I suspect they will win again. These games will be difficult for nations that don't have the USA depth of talent. I can imagine a few star names deciding not to travel given all that has happened and the possible risks involved. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 16:24:54 GMT
I presume the press conference was done to a background of snowflakes falling? It's pathetic, really.
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Post by connors on Jun 30, 2021 21:08:53 GMT
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Post by connors on Jul 13, 2021 9:42:56 GMT
So Team USA just had their backsides handed to them in back to back games by Nigeria and then Australia.
Exhibition/warm up games don't get medals and its well known that the international teams have plenty of NBA players themselves.
I've been interested to read how much the "chemistry" topic has come up. International teams may well have plenty of NBA players but they have mainly played together for many tournaments over the years and there is a clear camaraderie that seems to be in place that the Americans struggle to replicate early on.
If you throw in FIBA rules and the fact that Team USA is not their "best" team (has it ever been? Even the 92 DreamTeam had Laettner!) the Olympics could be really wide open and good to watch!
For me any team with Durant should be favourites and no doubt they will be....they certainly need to buck their ideas up quickly though!
One last point. Love Coach Pop. His spikey nature post match (clearly had history with the guy) was OTT in my opinion. It was a fair question and one look at the usual results from matches between Nigeria and USA would show that it was based on facts and not presumptions.
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Post by faz on Jul 13, 2021 19:14:07 GMT
That USA team would be capable of winning the NBA. The Aussie team would finish last.
Temporary blip imo
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 15:22:00 GMT
Yeah, I wouldn't read too much into friendly matches, I doubt Arsenal will lose any sleep over losing 2-1 to Hibs. Friendly matches are more about fitness than anything else, of course USA would have preferred to win to boost morale but when the real action starts I expect the US to dominate
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Post by connors on Jul 22, 2021 12:23:35 GMT
Now onto the Olympics. Sky Q customers get Discovery + free for a year and they have a brilliant app for Olympics with all the sports already scheduled.
Looking forward to Australia v Nigeria and France USA on Sunday morning 🏀
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Post by connors on Jul 25, 2021 14:45:54 GMT
Not exactly a scoring festival so far.
Team USA were so disjointed and lacking in chemistry.
It’s not selfish play, in fact possibly guilty of over passing.
They have no real inside presence and At exerting out
for a decent big to clog the paint and rebound.
Lillard was particularly unrecognisable from his usual swaggering self.
They can fix it but they need to settle on thei beat 5 really quickly…
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Post by dandayr on Jul 25, 2021 15:30:52 GMT
having caught some of the 3v3 on saturday and then the 5 v 5 france v usa game today - I now understand the big draw to tv of the 3 version
i concentrated on the screen yesterday, the last 2min of the games were over in a flash - especially when a side hit the magic score to end it
in the same time commitment, I saw more teams
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 16:09:12 GMT
having caught some of the 3v3 on saturday and then the 5 v 5 france v usa game today - I now understand the big draw to tv of the 3 version i concentrated on the screen yesterday, the last 2min of the games were over in a flash - especially when a side hit the magic score to end it in the same time commitment, I saw more teams . It's an abomination. |
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Post by connors on Jul 25, 2021 19:21:29 GMT
3v3 is a decent game to play. Good practice for all players but it’s a terrible spectator sport…..IMO
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 26, 2021 6:41:19 GMT
3x3 intrigues me, probably why I watched more than anything else to be fair.
It'll never match the real thing for me, and like Herse says the quality isnt really there player wise, but I dont mind it.
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Post by voise on Jul 26, 2021 9:17:25 GMT
That guy Doncic ain't bad is he?! 😮
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 26, 2021 9:55:50 GMT
3x3 intrigues me, probably why I watched more than anything else to be fair. It'll never match the real thing for me, and like Herse says the quality isnt really there player wise, but I dont mind it. Surely if we are ever going to compete at Olympic basketball in the future it would be 3 on 3 ? It might even be something we could medal in ? The media attention and boost a medal in this for GB in the future would be the biggest boost ever in growing the interest in the sport and boosting participation It's a huge opportunity I believe and worth investment and pursuing The limelight that would come on any GB players who could medal won be huge for the sport in this country People didn't like short game cricket not long ago. Now it's prime time for men and women and it's taking the country by storm with the interest it's getting |
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Post by connors on Jul 26, 2021 10:25:03 GMT
If you are referring to "The Hundred" then I know a lot of cricket fans and they all hate it. Does not mean it will not catch on and be popular and you are correct that a successful GB team in 3x3 would garner a lot of attention because we love everything we are good at apparently!
It is still, IMO, a terrible watch on TV or live for that matter and given basketballs general popularity as a sport worldwide I cannot understand why it is in the Olympics.
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Post by connors on Jul 26, 2021 10:31:35 GMT
That USA team would be capable of winning the NBA. The Aussie team would finish last. Temporary blip imo Where would the French team finish Faz? I was thinking about your comment (believe it or not!) whilst watching the game. The USA team in the NBA would "break" the league in theory. However it would never work and not just because of the salary cap. I think this is the root cause of the USA issues....a lack of chemistry and a lack of a natural pecking order. All the other teams have a huge element of both. This is because as HErsey mentions they may have an NBA starting 5 but they do not have an NBA bench. Team USA like to try and spread the minutes around all the egos and its not condusive to good basketball. It is also not what the players expect or like. To me Durant is the best player on the team and after that there is a decent chunk of 1st option All Stars who are not use to being role players off the bench. Against weak opposition not a problem but against good teams it clearly is an issue. Team USA will qualify but unless they improve I would say there is a reasonable chance of them getting knocked out without a medal. They should have got themselves a proper centre somehow. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 26, 2021 10:32:16 GMT
If you are referring to "The Hundred" then I know a lot of cricket fans and they all hate it. Does not mean it will not catch on and be popular and you are correct that a successful GB team in 3x3 would garner a lot of attention because we love everything we are good at apparently! It is still, IMO, a terrible watch on TV or live for that matter and given basketballs general popularity as a sport worldwide I cannot understand why it is in the Olympics. Never has any sport I know done something as significant as this to bring women's sport to the fore overnight like the hundred has done for cricket. Have you seen the number of girls and young kids watching the games ? Girls participation in cricket and young people playing cricket will sky rocket from this And those who start playing will progress to other forms of cricket in due course And cricket has far more tradition than basketball to worry about Successful 3 on 3 basketball could do more for basketball interest and participation than the normal game has achieved in the UK in the last 30 years |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 26, 2021 10:49:35 GMT
3x3 intrigues me, probably why I watched more than anything else to be fair. It'll never match the real thing for me, and like Herse says the quality isnt really there player wise, but I dont mind it. Surely if we are ever going to compete at Olympic basketball in the future it would be 3 on 3 ? It might even be something we could medal in ? The media attention and boost a medal in this for GB in the future would be the biggest boost ever in growing the interest in the sport and boosting participation It's a huge opportunity I believe and worth investment and pursuing The limelight that would come on any GB players who could medal won be huge for the sport in this country People didn't like short game cricket not long ago. Now it's prime time for men and women and it's taking the country by storm with the interest it's getting To be fair, if they were able to send across our three best players to 3x3 we may well be able to kickstart a bit more interest but it comes back to the original issue, funding. If theyre prepared to do it then yeah - using it as a springboard to generate interest in the game isnt a bad idea at all. If we did get a gold for example I do think it would open a few eyes commercially, but would we be able to attract the best of the best to play it in the first place? Potentially. I just dont see it replacing traditional basketball though. I appreciate what you're saying re: cricket but one day/shorter overs is far more appealing than 5 days. The appeal of a shorter basketball game isnt as advantageous to the viewer than the full fat version 5x5 full court 40 mins if that makes sense. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 26, 2021 11:02:35 GMT
Surely if we are ever going to compete at Olympic basketball in the future it would be 3 on 3 ? It might even be something we could medal in ? The media attention and boost a medal in this for GB in the future would be the biggest boost ever in growing the interest in the sport and boosting participation It's a huge opportunity I believe and worth investment and pursuing The limelight that would come on any GB players who could medal won be huge for the sport in this country People didn't like short game cricket not long ago. Now it's prime time for men and women and it's taking the country by storm with the interest it's getting To be fair, if they were able to send across our three best players to 3x3 we may well be able to kickstart a bit more interest but it comes back to the original issue, funding. If theyre prepared to do it then yeah - using it as a springboard to generate interest in the game isnt a bad idea at all. If we did get a gold for example I do think it would open a few eyes commercially, but would we be able to attract the best of the best to play it in the first place? Potentially. I just dont see it replacing traditional basketball though. I appreciate what you're saying re: cricket but one day/shorter overs is far more appealing than 5 days. The appeal of a shorter basketball game isnt as advantageous to the viewer than the full fat version 5x5 full court 40 mins if that makes sense. I've never really been into womens team sport. Always looked upon it as being less quality etc. But to get the cricket women playing live on prime time tv channels with the same footing as the men etc is a breakthrough for girls sport in Uk full stop I think Which made me think could basketball do the same? Not with the normal games they take too long But maybe 3 on 3 you could have joint mens and women's teams playing back to back. Or in tournaments back to back. We get lots if families at Bbl but the girls aren't seeing women play. If they did then girls participation would sky rocket obviously far more if we get successful national teams etc Does anyone believe we are ever going to make an impact on any way in normal basketball in UK ? If not should we consider the 3 on 3 route instead ? I just know the nation would get behind men's and Uk teams if they could compete and its such an easy sport for kids to play on their own and together once they get the bug |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 26, 2021 11:11:29 GMT
Surely if we are ever going to compete at Olympic basketball in the future it would be 3 on 3 ? It might even be something we could medal in ? The media attention and boost a medal in this for GB in the future would be the biggest boost ever in growing the interest in the sport and boosting participation It's a huge opportunity I believe and worth investment and pursuing The limelight that would come on any GB players who could medal won be huge for the sport in this country People didn't like short game cricket not long ago. Now it's prime time for men and women and it's taking the country by storm with the interest it's getting To be fair, if they were able to send across our three best players to 3x3 we may well be able to kickstart a bit more interest but it comes back to the original issue, funding. If theyre prepared to do it then yeah - using it as a springboard to generate interest in the game isnt a bad idea at all. If we did get a gold for example I do think it would open a few eyes commercially, but would we be able to attract the best of the best to play it in the first place? Potentially. I just dont see it replacing traditional basketball though. I appreciate what you're saying re: cricket but one day/shorter overs is far more appealing than 5 days. The appeal of a shorter basketball game isnt as advantageous to the viewer than the full fat version 5x5 full court 40 mins if that makes sense. With enough money and time is it feasible from a certain age to fund and try to create specialist 3 on 3 basketball players who can beat normal basketball players who are just doing 3 on 3 as an aside to the normal game ? I base this question on cricket where we now have specialist test match players playing an entirely different game to the specialist short game players And based on how in the past GB sport recruited the right size kids and athletes and turned them into rowers etc etc over time |
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Post by connors on Jul 26, 2021 11:33:26 GMT
Normal games don't take too long......NBA games take too long.
As every year goes past I think the NBA for the long term good of their "product" need to really consider a switch to FIBA rules or seriously engage with FIBA to create a hybrid that takes the best of both and helps promote the sport in the future.
It has been an absolute pleasure to watch the Olympic games without all the NBA delays that are built into their game.
In fact the way time outs are etc is another reason Team USA is vulnerable in close matches. Hersey pointed out why was Durant in the game for a defensive possession and fouling out.....
Anyway lets not waste too much time talking about Cricket please. Its a valid point that has been accepted but 3v3 basketball is still an unproved case for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 12:55:24 GMT
That guy Doncic ain't bad is he?! 😮 . You have to be decent to get a guinea pig named after you around here. The Korea v Spain women's game is worth a look if anyone needs a break from the tedium of 3-on-3. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 15:18:01 GMT
I caught a bit of 3x3, at first I was confused by the 2 sets of numbers but then knew what it was. By the way, why do they only use half court and such a low scoring system?
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Post by connors on Jul 26, 2021 15:34:36 GMT
3v3 full court? Otherwise known as a layup drill I think.......
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Post by borthwick on Jul 26, 2021 16:29:48 GMT
Bit mystified why it's thought we would medal at 3 on 3. Can't see it .
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