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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 0:24:07 GMT
I've hated this tournament since before a game ever happened. Seeing those rules for the first time, it was always going to be a ****storm. Good to see people are on-board with my opinion.
If scores are wrong, this needs to be publicly addressed. It's literally cost teams thousands of pounds.
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Post by MacSporran on Oct 14, 2019 8:04:30 GMT
I can see the tournament dying when teams stop attending.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 14, 2019 8:25:48 GMT
I find the confusion the best part of the lot. Nobody knows whats going on and it makes for a hilarious watch.
I did manage to catch the play in the Cheshire/Leicester game though. What in God's name is Lufadeju doing shooting that ball? He cant shoot anyway?! He caused that entire situation - 0 sympathy for a dumb play like that.
Yes there's relatively big money involved for teams, but if there's a team out there that is relying on the All stars money to function through the season then there's problems.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 8:34:43 GMT
I've added some pictures - taken by a proper photographer - to my blogs from yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 8:38:12 GMT
I can see the tournament dying when teams stop attending. They won't. There's money involved. Last time I checked the BBL was awash with cash. |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 14, 2019 8:39:41 GMT
Well I thoroughly enjoyed it, and not just because the Lions won.
It’s not ‘real’ basketball, and winning the title doesn’t count for anything close to winning the Cup, Trophy, Championship or Play-Offs (and believe me, now that Lions have won it twice I’d love to say it does, but it doesn’t), but it’s an excellent day out and does more for promoting the sport in this country than any other single event.
Why do I like it so much… I think it’s because it’s so inclusive of the British basketball community. No other event is attended by so many team's fans as this one, or as many neutrals and newcomers too. I know the Play-Off Final at the O2 is still the crown jewel in the BBL season, but unless your team is one of the 2 playing it can sometimes be difficult to justify the cost of the day out (tickets, travel, food/drink etc.). And it’s much more difficult to sell an event to newcomers if the teams playing are hundreds of miles from where it’s being held.
Long may it continue… 5 hours of live television coverage, thousands of fans from across the country coming together, hundreds of people attending a basketball game for the first time ever, and £100,000 cash going into the BBL and it’s teams. All for one day a year. Well worth it in my opinion.
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Post by LTFan on Oct 14, 2019 8:43:12 GMT
For those of you wanting to re-live the thoroughly enjoyable chaos, but not sit through the full 5 hours, there are 90 minute highlights tonight at 6pm on Sky Sports Mix (Sky channel 145).
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Post by LTFan on Oct 14, 2019 8:54:28 GMT
Right, you crazy people who've made the sane decision to stay home. I'm here, I'm wet, and I'll bring you reports after each of the 13 games here. Well, hopefully Thanks for this, just read it. Nice summary of the tournament. Did you really survive on just one drink?! I had 3 bottles of Pepsi, a hotdog, nachos and cheese and a bag of sweets! Well I was there for 6 hours! Fortunately Copper Box prices aren’t too bad… that at the O2 would have bankrupted me! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 9:45:16 GMT
It's possible I had a second pint of Beck's and took a drink in as they don't really check us journo types.
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Post by faz on Oct 14, 2019 10:31:25 GMT
I find the confusion the best part of the lot. Nobody knows whats going on and it makes for a hilarious watch. I did manage to catch the play in the Cheshire/Leicester game though. What in God's name is Lufadeju doing shooting that ball? He cant shoot anyway?! He caused that entire situation - 0 sympathy for a dumb play like that. Yes there's relatively big money involved for teams, but if there's a team out there that is relying on the All stars money to function through the season then there's problems. Clubs might not be relying on it but id guess its a big help. Let's see if Lions add to their roster post the win. |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 14, 2019 10:49:12 GMT
I find the confusion the best part of the lot. Nobody knows whats going on and it makes for a hilarious watch. I did manage to catch the play in the Cheshire/Leicester game though. What in God's name is Lufadeju doing shooting that ball? He cant shoot anyway?! He caused that entire situation - 0 sympathy for a dumb play like that. Yes there's relatively big money involved for teams, but if there's a team out there that is relying on the All stars money to function through the season then there's problems. Regarding the Cheshire/Leicester game controversy… I’d say it was less of a case of ‘why the hell did Leicester shoot’ and more a case of ‘why the hell did Cheshire try and stop him’ knowing (or perhaps not as it turned out!) it could result in a foul that automatically awarded them points. Let’s be honest, Lufadeju was never going to actually make that shot whilst standing basically at the other end of the court. I did notice this is likely what led to Vince yelling at the Lions players during the closing seconds of the final game ‘WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT FOUL THEM, DO NOT FOUL THEM!!!’. Anyway, you’ve got to love a bit of controversy, it certainly gets us talking. Unless Cheshire of course. As for the money, I don’t believe anyone is actually relying on the prize money to function. But equally I don’t think anyone is going to say they couldn’t benefit from it, whether it be the £25,000 for winning or the £5,000 for just showing up. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 14, 2019 11:09:32 GMT
I find the confusion the best part of the lot. Nobody knows whats going on and it makes for a hilarious watch. I did manage to catch the play in the Cheshire/Leicester game though. What in God's name is Lufadeju doing shooting that ball? He cant shoot anyway?! He caused that entire situation - 0 sympathy for a dumb play like that. Yes there's relatively big money involved for teams, but if there's a team out there that is relying on the All stars money to function through the season then there's problems. Regarding the Cheshire/Leicester game controversy… I’d say it was less of a case of ‘why the hell did Leicester shoot’ and more a case of ‘why the hell did Cheshire try and stop him’ knowing (or perhaps not as it turned out!) it could result in a foul that automatically awarded them points. Let’s be honest, Lufadeju was never going to actually make that shot whilst standing basically at the other end of the court. I did notice this is likely what led to Vince yelling at the Lions players during the closing seconds of the final game ‘WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT FOUL THEM, DO NOT FOUL THEM!!!’. Anyway, you’ve got to love a bit of controversy, it certainly gets us talking. Unless Cheshire of course. As for the money, I don’t believe anyone is actually relying on the prize money to function. But equally I don’t think anyone is going to say they couldn’t benefit from it, whether it be the £25,000 for winning or the £5,000 for just showing up. Sorry mate I think you've read me wrong - Lufadeju is the Cheshire player who launches a brick from three with a few seconds left on the clock.
If he keeps hold of the ball Cheshire win and Riders lose. No controversy, no talking points. Instead he took a wild shot and put his team in a position where they could be in trouble. This is all on him if you ask me. You cant rely on referees to get it right normally in the BBL, let alone this merry go round.
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Post by davef on Oct 14, 2019 11:14:10 GMT
Quick one on the scoring.
Its entirely unfair to blame the table, the software used is entirely different to that used during the season. The rules re points scoring are unnecessarily and incredibly complicated. Sky TV places incredible pressure on the officials to have the game run (they took out our 30 second time-outs this year).
In our cheshire game the eagles score was actually right but because it had been incorrectly entered at the time it couldn`t be immediately updated. (Eagles went from 13 to 17 on a Mitchell and one in the powerplay which should have counted for 6. Thats where the extra two points came from the on the next and 1. I know because i was telling the table about it for the 3 mins before they could change it.
But realistically at the speed this all has to be inputted mistakes will be made. On at least 2 occasions referees wrongly gave the ball to the fouling team after they had given away a one point team foul (that definitely happened in the mad last minute of the Leicester Cheshire game) and at one point we had an and 1 unsportsmanlike foul in the powerplay which should actually have counted for 8 (3 for the basket, 1 for the US multiplied by 2).
I do hope next year (as this appears to be in the calendar) that sky are persuaded to allow things to slow down just a bit and each team is allowed a representative at the table to raise any queries as they occur. Its entirely unfair on the table officials as it stands.
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Post by stevetino on Oct 14, 2019 11:14:13 GMT
I was sat pretty much right behind the Cheshire player who fired that shot at the end of their game against Riders, and literally stopped watching because I saw zeroes on the clock. Then suddenly the Riders players were going nuts and they were putting some points on the board to make them the winners. We started talking about there maybe being a different clock at the table as the official game clock, rather than the one on the scoreboard, because what happened seemed so nuts. And we never got a remotely decent replay in the arena. Honestly, time and time again the refs, players, coaches or (especially) table officials had absolutely no clue what was going on. They screwed up the scores or just the rules a lot, leaving me with my head in my hands (and that's with no rooting interest - if I actually cared who won I'd imagine being significantly more pissed off). I usually enjoy FunkyTown's in-arena presentation (as much as I enjoy any of that stuff), but it never felt like he and his partner really knew what the hell was going on either.
This thing really does have the potential to be a lot of fun, and it's not like we were bored. But the whole thing still feels like a shambles that's largely being made up as they go along. I expected better now that we're in the third year of it.
It’s just a Hearn special gimmick dumbed down version and I’m afraid yesterday was shambolic, quite a few teams cheshire in particular had every right to feel aggrieved |
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Post by nixed on Oct 14, 2019 11:14:35 GMT
Be honest though, both 'nix' mistakes were very funny. the funniest bit about that is giants didn't even get there and probably wont next year either |
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Post by stevetino on Oct 14, 2019 12:00:18 GMT
What was with Paternostros attitude at the end of the cheshire game? Any need for it?? 🤷♂️
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Post by LTFan on Oct 14, 2019 12:27:21 GMT
Quick one on the scoring. Its entirely unfair to blame the table, the software used is entirely different to that used during the season. The rules re points scoring are unnecessarily and incredibly complicated. Sky TV places incredible pressure on the officials to have the game run (they took out our 30 second time-outs this year). In our cheshire game the eagles score was actually right but because it had been incorrectly entered at the time it couldn`t be immediately updated. (Eagles went from 13 to 17 on a Mitchell and one in the powerplay which should have counted for 6. Thats where the extra two points came from the on the next and 1. I know because i was telling the table about it for the 3 mins before they could change it. But realistically at the speed this all has to be inputted mistakes will be made. On at least 2 occasions referees wrongly gave the ball to the fouling team after they had given away a one point team foul (that definitely happened in the mad last minute of the Leicester Cheshire game) and at one point we had an and 1 unsportsmanlike foul in the powerplay which should actually have counted for 8 (3 for the basket, 1 for the US multiplied by 2). I do hope next year (as this appears to be in the calendar) that sky are persuaded to allow things to slow down just a bit and each team is allowed a representative at the table to raise any queries as they occur. Its entirely unfair on the table officials as it stands. I completely agree with this. I said yesterday that it was only after 5 hours of watching the competition that I felt like I was finally understanding exactly what was going on – and it’s not the first time I’ve watched this competition, it’s just so different and so infrequent, and fast, it’s takes quite a while to completely understand it. I have full respect for all the officials, and the players/coaches, involved. As I’ve said before, I really like the All-Stars Championship. Although personally, if it were me, I’d do away with the powerplay buzzer and perhaps the 5-point line. But rightly or wrongly it’s these gimmicks that those in charge have decided are needed to make this have a wide ranging appeal (i.e. not just us BBL followers). |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 14, 2019 12:30:42 GMT
What was with Paternostros attitude at the end of the cheshire game? Any need for it?? 🤷♂️ Good point. In my last post I said ‘I have full respect for all the officials, and the players/coaches, involved.’ I take that back, I have no respect for how Rob Paternostros reacted when Riders were controversially awarded 5 points winning them the game. Dancing around the court like that with a massive grin on his face, was nothing but childish. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 12:48:16 GMT
Imagine. Celebrating a win
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 14, 2019 12:54:38 GMT
What was with Paternostros attitude at the end of the cheshire game? Any need for it?? 🤷♂️ He has to grab every little win he can at the minute I think. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 13:02:00 GMT
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Post by stevetino on Oct 14, 2019 13:10:42 GMT
Imagine. Celebrating a win Imagine indeed in that fashion 🤦♂️ |
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Post by sussexbantam on Oct 14, 2019 13:27:17 GMT
What was with Paternostros attitude at the end of the cheshire game? Any need for it?? 🤷♂️ Good point. In my last post I said ‘I have full respect for all the officials, and the players/coaches, involved.’ I take that back, I have no respect for how Rob Paternostros reacted when Riders were controversially awarded 5 points winning them the game. Dancing around the court like that with a massive grin on his face, was nothing but childish. I'm no fan of Rob but I think this is a bit harsh. They had just come back from 437 points down with 8 seconds to go. I think I would have been quite excited too. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 14, 2019 13:59:20 GMT
Good point. In my last post I said ‘I have full respect for all the officials, and the players/coaches, involved.’ I take that back, I have no respect for how Rob Paternostros reacted when Riders were controversially awarded 5 points winning them the game. Dancing around the court like that with a massive grin on his face, was nothing but childish. I'm no fan of Rob but I think this is a bit harsh. They had just come back from 437 points down with 8 seconds to go. I think I would have been quite excited too. I'd have ran round with no pants on if my team had come back from 437 points down with 8 seconds to go to be fair.
I'd also question how the bloody hell the other team had managed to get up by that amount in the first place....
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Post by Richyyy on Oct 14, 2019 15:02:41 GMT
Quick one on the scoring. Its entirely unfair to blame the table, the software used is entirely different to that used during the season. The rules re points scoring are unnecessarily and incredibly complicated. Sky TV places incredible pressure on the officials to have the game run (they took out our 30 second time-outs this year). In our cheshire game the eagles score was actually right but because it had been incorrectly entered at the time it couldn`t be immediately updated. (Eagles went from 13 to 17 on a Mitchell and one in the powerplay which should have counted for 6. Thats where the extra two points came from the on the next and 1. I know because i was telling the table about it for the 3 mins before they could change it. But realistically at the speed this all has to be inputted mistakes will be made. On at least 2 occasions referees wrongly gave the ball to the fouling team after they had given away a one point team foul (that definitely happened in the mad last minute of the Leicester Cheshire game) and at one point we had an and 1 unsportsmanlike foul in the powerplay which should actually have counted for 8 (3 for the basket, 1 for the US multiplied by 2). I do hope next year (as this appears to be in the calendar) that sky are persuaded to allow things to slow down just a bit and each team is allowed a representative at the table to raise any queries as they occur. Its entirely unfair on the table officials as it stands.
Thanks for that, it's good to get a perspective from someone who was inside all the insanity. And I definitely agree on the referees giving the ball to the wrong team thing. There was at least one time after I felt like I'd grasped most of the rules where I went "wait, why the hell are they giving them the ball?" I think it's the pressure of the running clock. Players and officials are so used to the time stopping every time the ball goes out of play that in this format there's a mad rush to get the game going again because they can see the time slipping away. That inevitably leads to mistakes. It's especially true during the powerplays, where one of the best things you can do is knock the ball out of bounds, because you're going to kill at least 10 seconds while the ball is retrieved, touched by a ref, and then inbounded again.
I understand that the running clock is part of the format, but let's have a few more stoppages (clock stops as normal during the two powerplays, maybe?) to give everyone a chance to breathe. Things really wouldn't last much longer, and maybe it'd all seem like less of a mess. |
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