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Post by LTFan on Oct 14, 2019 15:07:22 GMT
Imagine. Celebrating a win Nothing wrong with celebrating a win. But skipping around the court like a child after winning by a last second controversial decision isn't very professional, in my opinion at least. I'll watch it again in the highlights programme tonight to see how it came across on television though. |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 14, 2019 15:18:50 GMT
Interesting stat – since the All-Stars Championship began 3 years ago the London Lions have only lost 1 game (last year’s semi-final game). And if yesterday was anything to go by I’d say the fact that Robinson and Peel also joined the Lions 3 years ago is no coincidence.
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Post by stevetino on Oct 14, 2019 15:51:04 GMT
Home advantage is nice for lions 2
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Post by sharkball on Oct 14, 2019 16:56:52 GMT
Imagine. Celebrating a win Nothing wrong with celebrating a win. But skipping around the court like a child after winning by a last second controversial decision isn't very professional, in my opinion at least. I'll watch it again in the highlights programme tonight to see how it came across on television though. The audio on the clip they showed a bit after saw Paternostro wheeling away in a spinning motion shouting 'Yeah....5 points...we won....we won....5 points....we won...see you later!' He was squealing the above and spinning around. The see you later seemed to be aimed at Cheshires team/coach. Great coach but not a classy individual at all. Win/lose with dignity. He's had these episodes time and time again and frankly needs bringing down a peg or two but seems different rules for him to otger coaches. I recall a game at the EIS a few years ago when he shouted to a ref he was a 'f****g joke' A table official told him to mind his language and he swore at them. As I say great coach and done a superb job but his petulance and classless attitude will stop him from ever earning respect from many fans in this league. |
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Post by saintpat on Oct 14, 2019 18:41:40 GMT
Quick one on the scoring. Its entirely unfair to blame the table, the software used is entirely different to that used during the season. The rules re points scoring are unnecessarily and incredibly complicated. Sky TV places incredible pressure on the officials to have the game run (they took out our 30 second time-outs this year). In our cheshire game the eagles score was actually right but because it had been incorrectly entered at the time it couldn`t be immediately updated. (Eagles went from 13 to 17 on a Mitchell and one in the powerplay which should have counted for 6. Thats where the extra two points came from the on the next and 1. I know because i was telling the table about it for the 3 mins before they could change it. But realistically at the speed this all has to be inputted mistakes will be made. On at least 2 occasions referees wrongly gave the ball to the fouling team after they had given away a one point team foul (that definitely happened in the mad last minute of the Leicester Cheshire game) and at one point we had an and 1 unsportsmanlike foul in the powerplay which should actually have counted for 8 (3 for the basket, 1 for the US multiplied by 2). I do hope next year (as this appears to be in the calendar) that sky are persuaded to allow things to slow down just a bit and each team is allowed a representative at the table to raise any queries as they occur. Its entirely unfair on the table officials as it stands. What about the shot after the buzzer, couldn't the table sort that, surely that was Martin Ford's job! What about not correcting the 5(10) point shot, everyone knew it was a 10 point shot except the table! How could they only add 1 point on for a 2 point shot? It's fast & frenetic, I appreciate that, it's going to be difficult & there's going to be mistakes but there were some correctable mistakes & what's the point of having a commissioner(Martin Ford) if he's incapable of putting anything right? I'm quite convinced that if it had been Cheshire with that shot, there would have been a change in winners, Rob P. would have created mayhem until it was changed. |
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Post by davef on Oct 14, 2019 19:04:39 GMT
Clock issues are determined by the refs not the table.
The 5 point shot was wrongly signalled a three by the ref. Table has to go on refs signals.
I’m not sure about recording the wrong points. Quite often the scores were a little behind and the software did not allow immediate updating and Sky would not allow game to be stopped for the thing to be put right. The bigger mistakes were when the refs wrongly returned the ball to the fouling team.
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Post by samgray on Oct 14, 2019 19:52:47 GMT
Thought it was great fun to watch and try to keep up with. Hope it’s back next year! Some dreadful decision making at important times due to how crazy it is but it only adds to the fun!
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Post by tigger on Oct 14, 2019 20:41:38 GMT
Nothing wrong with celebrating a win. But skipping around the court like a child after winning by a last second controversial decision isn't very professional, in my opinion at least. I'll watch it again in the highlights programme tonight to see how it came across on television though. The audio on the clip they showed a bit after saw Paternostro wheeling away in a spinning motion shouting 'Yeah....5 points...we won....we won....5 points....we won...see you later!' He was squealing the above and spinning around. The see you later seemed to be aimed at Cheshires team/coach. Great coach but not a classy individual at all. Win/lose with dignity. He's had these episodes time and time again and frankly needs bringing down a peg or two but seems different rules for him to otger coaches. I recall a game at the EIS a few years ago when he shouted to a ref he was a 'f****g joke' A table official told him to mind his language and he swore at them. As I say great coach and done a superb job but his petulance and classless attitude will stop him from ever earning respect from many fans in this league. Have to agree on this. I heard it live and thought it totally crass. Didn’t realise it was Robbie P. I also hadn’t realised the controversy at that point - which he must have known. A little humility goes a long way. So pleased Sharks went on to bite his a***! |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 15, 2019 8:09:38 GMT
Home advantage is nice for lions 2 This is an interesting point. But anyone who’s been to a Lions game at the Copper Box and also the All-Stars at the Copper Box will tell you the venue is almost unrecognisable (full credit to Matchroom – they make it look fantastic). The atmosphere is also, obviously, completely different. I’m not going to say there might be a slight advantage, but I don’t think it’s quite as big as you’d think it would be on face value. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 8:56:09 GMT
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Post by stevetino on Oct 15, 2019 9:47:58 GMT
Home advantage is nice for lions 2 This is an interesting point. But anyone who’s been to a Lions game at the Copper Box and also the All-Stars at the Copper Box will tell you the venue is almost unrecognisable (full credit to Matchroom – they make it look fantastic). The atmosphere is also, obviously, completely different. I’m not going to say there might be a slight advantage, but I don’t think it’s quite as big as you’d think it would be on face value. It’s still an advantage none the less familiarity with the court, lighting & baskets more than any other team |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 15, 2019 13:06:20 GMT
Good comments, I agree with most of that. It’s not perfect, but a lot of people seem to disregard the lot of good it does for the sport in this country. FYI – last year there was a ‘celebrity’ game between the semis and the final. Given I only really knew one of the celebrities (Ortis from The Gadget Show) I think I enjoyed this year’s WBBL game just as much. |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 15, 2019 13:10:22 GMT
This is an interesting point. But anyone who’s been to a Lions game at the Copper Box and also the All-Stars at the Copper Box will tell you the venue is almost unrecognisable (full credit to Matchroom – they make it look fantastic). The atmosphere is also, obviously, completely different. I’m not going to say there might be a slight advantage, but I don’t think it’s quite as big as you’d think it would be on face value. It’s still an advantage none the less familiarity with the court, lighting & baskets more than any other team The court is completely different for the All-Stars, as is the lighting. Admittedly I think it’s the same baskets, although even they are rigged with remote cameras on them. I’m not disputing there’ll be a certain familiarity for Lions, but I don’t think there’s as big an advantage as most would think. As a spectator it certainly almost feels like you’re in a different arena when you’re at the All-Stars. I could only wish it looks like that for every Lions home game! |
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Post by benji on Oct 15, 2019 15:24:01 GMT
LTFan, not sure if you've seen it but I sent you a PM.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 15:28:42 GMT
Good comments, I agree with most of that. It’s not perfect, but a lot of people seem to disregard the lot of good it does for the sport in this country. FYI – last year there was a ‘celebrity’ game between the semis and the final. Given I only really knew one of the celebrities (Ortis from The Gadget Show) I think I enjoyed this year’s WBBL game just as much. What good does it do other than add some money to the clubs? |
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Post by LTFan on Oct 15, 2019 15:50:04 GMT
Good comments, I agree with most of that. It’s not perfect, but a lot of people seem to disregard the lot of good it does for the sport in this country. FYI – last year there was a ‘celebrity’ game between the semis and the final. Given I only really knew one of the celebrities (Ortis from The Gadget Show) I think I enjoyed this year’s WBBL game just as much. What good does it do other than add some money to the clubs? Providing £100K to the BBL and (most) of its clubs every year should be good enough on its own, but seeing as you asked – it provides 5 hours of live television coverage on Sky Sports, plus repeat highlights through the following week, the same internationally to 4 million subscribers on DAZN; it gets hundreds of people attending basketball that never have before, it brings together more BBL fans from across the country than any other event, etc. All this for sacrificing just one weekend of the season (in fact not even that, as games were still played on Friday this year)… yeah, I’d say the All-Stars Championship does a lot of good for British basketball. But you’re obviously entitled to disagree if you want. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 15, 2019 16:01:30 GMT
What good does it do other than add some money to the clubs? Providing £100K to the BBL and (most) of its clubs every year should be good enough on its own, but seeing as you asked – it provides 5 hours of live television coverage on Sky Sports, plus repeat highlights through the following week, the same internationally to 4 million subscribers on DAZN; it gets hundreds of people attending basketball that never have before, it brings together more BBL fans from across the country than any other event, etc. All this for sacrificing just one weekend of the season (in fact not even that, as games were still played on Friday this year)… yeah, I’d say the All-Stars Championship does a lot of good for British basketball. But you’re obviously entitled to disagree if you want. I tend to agree with this. Genuinely don’t think it does any harm. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 16:51:49 GMT
I dont believe it gets anyone watching basketball. It may get people watching the all star event but when they get to a game realise theres no 10 point shot and all the gimmicks they're gone. It may bring fans together tho for a day. Saying it brings it to 4 million people on sky sports for dazn (I have mo idea what that is) is a false truth advertisers say. It's like saying wvwey bbl game this year is broadcast in front of a billion YouTube users daily. I'd argue Leicester see it as harm after losing 2 starters due to the tournament. It's a gimmick that isn't basketball. Bigz, as a man who doesnt even like music during a game I'm surprised you liked it
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Post by LTFan on Oct 15, 2019 17:37:43 GMT
I dont believe it gets anyone watching basketball. It may get people watching the all star event but when they get to a game realise theres no 10 point shot and all the gimmicks they're gone. It may bring fans together tho for a day. Saying it brings it to 4 million people on sky sports for dazn (I have mo idea what that is) is a false truth advertisers say. It's like saying wvwey bbl game this year is broadcast in front of a billion YouTube users daily. I'd argue Leicester see it as harm after losing 2 starters due to the tournament. It's a gimmick that isn't basketball. Bigz, as a man who doesnt even like music during a game I'm surprised you liked it All I know is that there were hundreds of people at the All-Stars that had never been to a basketball game before. Will any of them go on to attend a BBL game, I can’t say for sure but I suspect there’ll be at least a few new fans as a result that there otherwise wouldn’t have been, and that has to be a good thing. As for Sky and DAZN (it’s ‘the Netflix of sport’ but isn’t available in the U.K. due to rights), it brings coverage to 4 million (DAZN) and 20+ million (Sky) subscribers... I didn’t say all of them will watch it! But the fact it’s broadcast to such a potential audience again has to be a good thing. All I’m saying is you don’t have to like it to accept it does some good, or at least does no harm. But that’s just my opinion, we don’t have to agree.  |
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Post by stevetino on Oct 15, 2019 18:44:46 GMT
Probably because it was cheap ish by London standards & I can’t see that many going to regular games after watching that shambles, just another pointless Hearn gimmick
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Post by LTFan on Oct 15, 2019 18:55:19 GMT
Probably because it was cheap ish by London standards & I can’t see that many going to regular games after watching that shambles, just another pointless Hearn gimmick Shambles? To me it looked like everyone was thoroughly enjoying it, at least those sitting around me were! And surely ‘not that many going to regular games after’ is better than none, which would have been the case if it had never happened? It’s certainly not perfect, but I struggle to see it as pointless. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Oct 15, 2019 19:13:01 GMT
I dont believe it gets anyone watching basketball. It may get people watching the all star event but when they get to a game realise theres no 10 point shot and all the gimmicks they're gone. It may bring fans together tho for a day. Saying it brings it to 4 million people on sky sports for dazn (I have mo idea what that is) is a false truth advertisers say. It's like saying wvwey bbl game this year is broadcast in front of a billion YouTube users daily. I'd argue Leicester see it as harm after losing 2 starters due to the tournament. It's a gimmick that isn't basketball. Bigz, as a man who doesnt even like music during a game I'm surprised you liked it When I go to watch a basketball game I go to watch basketball and not a side show. I have the expectation of a basketball game and I don't need music dancers t-shirt guns and slam dunking mascots to make me enjoy. If you're going to make a bat sh*t crazy event that is absolutely hectic then so be it - crazier the better I say. I've tuned in and been absolutely baffled but it's kept my attention because I literally have no expectation, and yes the cynic in me wants it to get to the point that nobody knows what to do next!!! The bottom line is it's bringing money into the club and as a stand alone event I have no issues with it. If they made the whole league play to those rules every week then yeah we're going to have issues. If that makes any kind of sense haha! |
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Post by stevetino on Oct 15, 2019 19:50:45 GMT
Probably because it was cheap ish by London standards & I can’t see that many going to regular games after watching that shambles, just another pointless Hearn gimmick Shambles? To me it looked like everyone was thoroughly enjoying it, at least those sitting around me were! And surely ‘not that many going to regular games after’ is better than none, which would have been the case if it had never happened? It’s certainly not perfect, but I struggle to see it as pointless. Ask cheshire what they think of it, just 1 example |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 20:18:21 GMT
Yeah I get your point bigz.
LT, think this is just one we wont agree on lol
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Post by LTFan on Oct 15, 2019 20:25:05 GMT
Shambles? To me it looked like everyone was thoroughly enjoying it, at least those sitting around me were! And surely ‘not that many going to regular games after’ is better than none, which would have been the case if it had never happened? It’s certainly not perfect, but I struggle to see it as pointless. Ask cheshire what they think of it, just 1 example If they dislike it so much they could always decline their prize money on principle, or refuse to ever take part again. They won’t of course, because despite perhaps not liking it right now they still know it had value. |
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