jumbo
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Post by jumbo on Dec 30, 2019 8:38:52 GMT
So does this set a precedence Any team has the right to challenge the facilities, and if at anytime during the game the team deem they are not happy with things they can unilaterally decide not to continue So challenging the refs to abandon the game and have it replayed plus all the surrounding spin offs of refunds etc Riders were the ones who insisted the court was washed twice The refs then passed the court fit to play on The riders then unilaterally decided they would not continue & forced the refs to abandon the game This could be a good tactic if losing now the precedence has been set I think the slightly more dangerous precedent to set would be the one that puts players safety at risk just because there's a big crowd. Or the one that says players have to continue to play in clearly dangerous conditions just because the scores aren't tied. Look I get why sharks fans are annoyed that the game had to be abandoned. I would be. Sharks looked much the better team. But there was no way that game could continue. You said earlier one player slipped under heavy defensive pressure. You just have to watch the first 90 seconds to see four players slip. There were at least 5 different incidents of players hitting the deck, mostly off the ball, mostly on defence. That doesn't count JWH going down hard or the multiple players slipping as they tried to fight round screens. All of which has an impact on the scoreline after 1. At least 3 of sharks buckets came directly after a defender slipped leaving a player open. The one person I do have sympathy for, with the exception of the three Riders players now carrying injuries going in to the biggest game of the season so far, is Cashaw. Looked like he played just about the perfect quarter. Obviously I have no idea what was or wasn't said or whether one team had Dax on their shoes or not but Riders most definitely came back on to the court for the second quarter. I wouldn't be surprised if they were still complaining, but that's what they were doing before the match. And what they were doing after the first few players slipped and the game was tied. And then the next few when we briefly had the lead. And then when players were having to be subbed off injured. So not really anything to do with the score. |
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Post by number6 on Dec 30, 2019 9:01:08 GMT
You’ve seen the you tube video them ??
That’s strange
I was at the game and watched it liv
Can’t find the video on you tube it must have been pulled
Sharks & refs were stood on court waiting to start riders were all sat down, until a couple of the riders management team called the refs over by the table.
Some players did slip, the first player was cashaw
Both teams played on the same surface
Riders tried to get this game called off from 2 hours before proceedings started
Sharks complied with every request
Refs passed the court fit to play
Riddlers did everything they could To get the game pulled, and forced the refs into a position to get what they wanted
They are a very influential team
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Post by fauxnicks on Dec 30, 2019 9:07:14 GMT
You’ve seen the you tube video them ?? That’s strange I was at the game and watched it liv Can’t find the video on you tube it must have been pulled Sharks & refs were stood on court waiting to start riders were all sat down, until a couple of the riders management team called the refs over by the table. Some players did slip, the first player was cashaw Both teams played on the same surface Riders tried to get this game called off from 2 hours before proceedings started Sharks complied with every request Refs passed the court fit to play Riddlers did everything they could To get the game pulled, and forced the refs into a position to get what they wanted They are a very influential team So what was wrong with the court 2 hours prior to tip? |
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Post by number6 on Dec 30, 2019 9:13:11 GMT
If as you say the riders took to the court ( which they didn’t)
Why would the refs wait until both teams were on court before abandoning the game
Surely they would have had a chat, then approached the teams on their respective benches to inform them of their decision
But that was not what they did
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 9:17:59 GMT
You’ve seen the you tube video them ?? That’s strange I was at the game and watched it liv Can’t find the video on you tube it must have been pulled Sharks & refs were stood on court waiting to start riders were all sat down, until a couple of the riders management team called the refs over by the table. Some players did slip, the first player was cashaw Both teams played on the same surface Riders tried to get this game called off from 2 hours before proceedings started Sharks complied with every request Refs passed the court fit to play Riddlers did everything they could To get the game pulled, and forced the refs into a position to get what they wanted They are a very influential team The game ended after both teams were stood with their own coaches like they would for a timeout and whilst the refs debated at length with the scorers. Neither team was on court. Nor were the refs. They were all at the side of the court. The match announcer then apologised to the crowd and the teams shook hands. I heard the match announcer on YouTube and thought it was not on that the crowd weren't offered refunds tbh. There wasn't one team and the refs on court waiting for Riders. You are imagining things or getting your timings entirely wrong. There was a 30 minute live stream which I watched after the game not knowing the result or knowing the game was abandoned. Numerous players slipped on both teams at different places on court. I was assuming the live stream was just going to fail early on when I saw it was just 30 mins. But it was definitely on YouTube last night. |
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erd87
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Post by erd87 on Dec 30, 2019 9:19:10 GMT
You’ve seen the you tube video them ?? That’s strange I was at the game and watched it liv Can’t find the video on you tube it must have been pulled Sharks & refs were stood on court waiting to start riders were all sat down, until a couple of the riders management team called the refs over by the table. Some players did slip, the first player was cashaw Both teams played on the same surface Riders tried to get this game called off from 2 hours before proceedings started Sharks complied with every request Refs passed the court fit to play Riddlers did everything they could To get the game pulled, and forced the refs into a position to get what they wanted They are a very influential team Sorry mate, but I watched the YouTube feed as well and both sets of players were 100% on the court when the decision was being made to abandon the game. After a few minutes both teams were called to their benches and it was announced that the game was to be abandoned. I have no agenda and am not involved with either team, unlike yourself. |
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Post by number6 on Dec 30, 2019 9:19:23 GMT
As junior games had been played before, with no problems
Riders insisted on it being washed
Which happened twice ( on riders insistence)
As I say the refs tested the court and passed it fit to play
Sharks players had no problem
And I still have no idea where this hairspray rubbish came from
Did they have a spy in the sharks locker room or did the sharks confess to that, what a load of ‘fake news’
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 9:20:45 GMT
If as you say the riders took to the court ( which they didn’t) Why would the refs wait until both teams were on court before abandoning the game Surely they would have had a chat, then approached the teams on their respective benches to inform them of their decision But that was not what they did The game was abandoned with both teams at the side of the court and after the refs stood talking with the scorers Your recollection does not match what was clear on youtube neither team nor refs were on court when the decision was taken to abandon the game and the refs made the decision away from the players and coaches |
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Post by leamrider2 on Dec 30, 2019 9:24:30 GMT
I didn't see this game live or on screen. You've completely lost me with the "insisted on it being washed" stuff. Please explain. It makes no sense to me at all. Why would it need washing? Who made the decision to do so? With what was the "washing" done? When? Why was it necessary to do it twice? Why were there still concerns even before the game began?
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Post by number6 on Dec 30, 2019 9:26:05 GMT
If as you say
‘Sorry mate, but I watched the YouTube feed as well and both sets of players were 100% on the court when the decision was made to abandon the game. I have no agenda and am not involved with either ‘
Is the case why did the refs wait until they were on court to abandon the game ?
Did you see the refs testing how slippery the court was, and then deciding that it had got worse. Or did I miss that too
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 9:28:14 GMT
You’ve seen the you tube video them ?? That’s strange I was at the game and watched it liv Can’t find the video on you tube it must have been pulled Sharks & refs were stood on court waiting to start riders were all sat down, until a couple of the riders management team called the refs over by the table. Some players did slip, the first player was cashaw Both teams played on the same surface Riders tried to get this game called off from 2 hours before proceedings started Sharks complied with every request Refs passed the court fit to play Riddlers did everything they could To get the game pulled, and forced the refs into a position to get what they wanted They are a very influential team Sorry mate, but I watched the YouTube feed as well and both sets of players were 100% on the court when the decision was being made to abandon the game. After a few minutes both teams were called to their benches and it was announced that the game was to be abandoned. I have no agenda and am not involved with either team, unlike yourself. You've just actually backed up exactly what I've said. Both teams were at their benches and the refs were next to the scorers away from either team when the game was announced as abandoned. |
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Post by number6 on Dec 30, 2019 9:35:03 GMT
So erd87 & irf have opposite recollections too as to whether or not riders were on court
I can’t prove or disprove it now unfortunately as the video has been pulled
However got to get on with work so
Thanks for your opinions
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 9:36:08 GMT
Sorry mate, but I watched the YouTube feed as well and both sets of players were 100% on the court when the decision was being made to abandon the game. After a few minutes both teams were called to their benches and it was announced that the game was to be abandoned. I have no agenda and am not involved with either team, unlike yourself. You've just actually backed up exactly what I've said. Both teams were at their benches and the refs were next to the scorers away from either team when the game was announced as abandoned. And they all just went and shook hands along the side of the court with the sharks players then applauding all the fans I know what I saw |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 9:49:24 GMT
If as you say the riders took to the court ( which they didn’t) Why would the refs wait until both teams were on court before abandoning the game Surely they would have had a chat, then approached the teams on their respective benches to inform them of their decision But that was not what they did Both teams WERE at their benches when the game was announced as abandoned?? Riders and sharks both at their benches talking together as though they were in a timeout I wasn't party nor were you to when the refs and scorers made the decision but 100 per cent both teams were at their benches and had been for some time when the announcement was made that the game was off. I don't know if the players were told before that announcement or at same time as the crowd. But after the announcement they all immediately went to shake hands from their respective benches Simple as that |
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Post by isthaturinal on Dec 30, 2019 9:51:18 GMT
I was gutted that we didn’t get to see Torville and Dean doing a exhibition dance at half time,
A lot of effort must have been taken to get the floor prepared for them.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 9:56:13 GMT
You’ve seen the you tube video them ?? That’s strange I was at the game and watched it liv Can’t find the video on you tube it must have been pulled Sharks & refs were stood on court waiting to start riders were all sat down, until a couple of the riders management team called the refs over by the table. Some players did slip, the first player was cashaw Both teams played on the same surface Riders tried to get this game called off from 2 hours before proceedings started Sharks complied with every request Refs passed the court fit to play Riddlers did everything they could To get the game pulled, and forced the refs into a position to get what they wanted They are a very influential team Sorry mate, but I watched the YouTube feed as well and both sets of players were 100% on the court when the decision was being made to abandon the game. After a few minutes both teams were called to their benches and it was announced that the game was to be abandoned. I have no agenda and am not involved with either team, unlike yourself. You are guessing when the decision was taking to abandon the game. When the teams were called to their benches there wasn't an instant announcement of a match abandoned. There were minutes before any announcement. And the refs debated with the scorers for some time away from the players. The players looked like they were still discussing the game and didn't know it was abandoned to me |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 10:31:08 GMT
Is anyone actually disputing the fact it was unsafe for BOTH teams
Early on in the game both teams had a player down at opposite ends of the court at the same time who had slipped
And the slips just continued until the game was rightfully stopped
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jumbo
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Post by jumbo on Dec 30, 2019 10:35:37 GMT
You’ve seen the you tube video them ?? That’s strange I was at the game and watched it liv Can’t find the video on you tube it must have been pulled Sharks & refs were stood on court waiting to start riders were all sat down, until a couple of the riders management team called the refs over by the table. Some players did slip, the first player was cashaw Both teams played on the same surface Riders tried to get this game called off from 2 hours before proceedings started Sharks complied with every request Refs passed the court fit to play Riddlers did everything they could To get the game pulled, and forced the refs into a position to get what they wanted They are a very influential team Was at the game and watched it back on YouTube on the way home. |
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Post by blueskies99 on Dec 30, 2019 10:47:20 GMT
So does this set a precedence Any team has the right to challenge the facilities, and if at anytime during the game the team deem they are not happy with things they can unilaterally decide not to continue So challenging the refs to abandon the game and have it replayed plus all the surrounding spin offs of refunds etc Riders were the ones who insisted the court was washed twice The refs then passed the court fit to play on The riders then unilaterally decided they would not continue & forced the refs to abandon the game This could be a good tactic if losing now the precedence has been set People would take your posts seriously if you could only spell....
precedent
noun
noun: precedent; plural noun: precedents
an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances.
"there are substantial precedents for using interactive media in training"
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Post by blueskies99 on Dec 30, 2019 10:58:32 GMT
I didn't see this game live or on screen. You've completely lost me with the "insisted on it being washed" stuff. Please explain. It makes no sense to me at all. Why would it need washing? Who made the decision to do so? With what was the "washing" done? When? Why was it necessary to do it twice? Why were there still concerns even before the game began? Apparently Ponds Forge was used for kids parties over Christmas. For this, they lay down a carpet. When the carpet was taken up, it left a residue that was unsuitable for a professional sporting event (but OK for the juniors).
This was explained on the Riders FB page last night (by a Sharks fan).
There is also an explanation (by another Sharks fan) on the Riders FB page concerning the known issues they have with the court and condensation.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 11:02:26 GMT
I didn't see this game live or on screen. You've completely lost me with the "insisted on it being washed" stuff. Please explain. It makes no sense to me at all. Why would it need washing? Who made the decision to do so? With what was the "washing" done? When? Why was it necessary to do it twice? Why were there still concerns even before the game began? Apparently Ponds Forge was used for kids parties over Christmas. For this, they lay down a carpet. When the carpet was taken up, it left a residue that was unsuitable for a professional sporting event (but OK for the juniors).
This was explained on the Riders FB page last night (by a Sharks fan).
There is also an explanation (by another Sharks fan) on the Riders FB page concerning the known issues they have with the court and condensation.
Nobody from sharks has disputed the fact it was unsafe for BOTH sets of players. On YouTube I saw zero complaints from sharks players when the game was abandoned. They were risking their careers same as our players last night. Just be grateful nobody ended up in hospital I have to question how the game even started and I'm putting at least some of that decision down to having a sellout and wanting to keep the gate money tbh There were players on both teams slipping from the very start of the game all over the court It was dangerous And we made that clear BEFORE the game even started - hence the attempts to make the court safe which delayed the game and failed to make it safe |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 11:16:37 GMT
From a sharks fan:
Mick Kent
Could anyone tell me where the problem area was? As I've not seen the game. Was it to the far side of court to the right near the changing rooms furthest away from fans? If it is this area it has always been a problem with condensation on the floor due to a large door (double garage up and over) that let's in cold air, it's always had this problem from day one of it been built. The problem was tried to be fixed by fitting the large floor to ceiling curtains that did not help it just funneled the cold air towards the court.This information should be shared with all Bbl League officials
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 11:27:20 GMT
Sheffield Sharks Statement:
"We are very sorry to all our fans, and to the fans of Leicester Riders that due to circumstances beyond our control the match officials have had to postpone the game, only in the interest of player safety, which is paramount"
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Post by stevetino on Dec 30, 2019 11:35:12 GMT
The BBL are clearly embarrassed by the whole incident, why else would they remove the Youtube footage of the first quarter??? Yep they also removed the Facebook post telling everyone to watch live basketball on YouTube (subject to technical issues at nearly every venue) 🤦♂️ |
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Post by stevetino on Dec 30, 2019 11:36:43 GMT
Sheffield Sharks Statement: "We are very sorry to all our fans, and to the fans of Leicester Riders that due to circumstances beyond our control the match officials have had to postpone the game, only in the interest of player safety, which is paramount" How did it even start? Sharks Prepared to risk injury? The refereee squad allowing it to proceed?? Begs belief |
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