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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 11:40:34 GMT
Sheffield Sharks Statement: "We are very sorry to all our fans, and to the fans of Leicester Riders that due to circumstances beyond our control the match officials have had to postpone the game, only in the interest of player safety, which is paramount" Sharks aren't disputing anything. Sharks fans are. Riders can't win. Some sharks fans saying it was only once we were losing we asked for game to be stopped and sour grapes on our part. Some blaming us for asking for court to be washed before the game started. Either way it wasn't safe and we may have just saved one of their own players from a serious and season ending injury. (With or without hairspray on the bottom of their trainers!) |
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Post by stevetino on Dec 30, 2019 11:42:47 GMT
What’s the problem here, I remember BBL Trophy games more or less played on an ice rink at Coventry Skydome & we had no hairspray
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Post by lieutenantdeng on Dec 30, 2019 11:44:27 GMT
"I have to question how the game even started and I'm putting at least some of that decision down to having a sellout and wanting to keep the gate money tbh"
No one involved in the decision is a Sharks employee though right? The refs/table make the decision.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 11:44:59 GMT
Sheffield Sharks Statement: "We are very sorry to all our fans, and to the fans of Leicester Riders that due to circumstances beyond our control the match officials have had to postpone the game, only in the interest of player safety, which is paramount" How did it even start? Sharks Prepared to risk injury? The refereee squad allowing it to proceed?? Begs belief Sellout crowd Steve. Money talks. Don't tell me that didn't influence the decision to try and make the game happen. It's understandable. FWIW the game started well despite the slips from the start - there was some good basketball at the start. It was about 12 points all and back and forth. Then riders barely scored another point. We've got 3 injuries to assess now. Fingers crossed for us they aren't serious. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 11:45:52 GMT
From a sharks fan: Mick Kent Could anyone tell me where the problem area was? As I've not seen the game. Was it to the far side of court to the right near the changing rooms furthest away from fans? If it is this area it has always been a problem with condensation on the floor due to a large door (double garage up and over) that let's in cold air, it's always had this problem from day one of it been built. The problem was tried to be fixed by fitting the large floor to ceiling curtains that did not help it just funneled the cold air towards the court.This information should be shared with all Bbl League officials Sharks actually replied to this to say the issues were all over the court and not just one area. |
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Post by stevetino on Dec 30, 2019 11:46:51 GMT
Let’s see how long the “no comment” stance lasts from sharks & the bbl 🤦♂️
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 11:50:02 GMT
"I have to question how the game even started and I'm putting at least some of that decision down to having a sellout and wanting to keep the gate money tbh" No one involved in the decision is a Sharks employee though right? The refs/table make the decision. If both teams had said it was unsafe before the start then it makes it an easier decision for the refs to take. We clearly highlighted the issue before the game started. We have been blamed for the court being washed twice. We've also been blamed for the game being called off. Works both ways. It's clear it wasn't safe and we were right to question it before it started and throughout the game. |
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Post by stevetino on Dec 30, 2019 11:51:58 GMT
"I have to question how the game even started and I'm putting at least some of that decision down to having a sellout and wanting to keep the gate money tbh" No one involved in the decision is a Sharks employee though right? The refs/table make the decision. If both teams had said it was unsafe before the start then it makes it an easier decision for the refs to take. We clearly highlighted the issue before the game started. We have been blamed for the court being washed twice. We've also been blamed for the game being called off. Works both ways. It's clear it wasn't safe and we were right to question it before it started and throughout the game. That maybe so but washing the court has made it worse?? Was there some confusion at the table between Washington & washing court? 🤣🏀 |
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Post by lieutenantdeng on Dec 30, 2019 11:54:09 GMT
"I have to question how the game even started and I'm putting at least some of that decision down to having a sellout and wanting to keep the gate money tbh" No one involved in the decision is a Sharks employee though right? The refs/table make the decision. If both teams had said it was unsafe before the start then it makes it an easier decision for the refs to take. We clearly highlighted the issue before the game started. We have been blamed for the court being washed twice. We've also been blamed for the game being called off. Works both ways. It's clear it wasn't safe and we were right to question it before it started and throughout the game.
I agree.
It's nice to see you make a post without conjecture.
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Post by fauxnicks on Dec 30, 2019 12:06:12 GMT
I didn't see this game live or on screen. You've completely lost me with the "insisted on it being washed" stuff. Please explain. It makes no sense to me at all. Why would it need washing? Who made the decision to do so? With what was the "washing" done? When? Why was it necessary to do it twice? Why were there still concerns even before the game began? Apparently Ponds Forge was used for kids parties over Christmas. For this, they lay down a carpet. When the carpet was taken up, it left a residue that was unsuitable for a professional sporting event (but OK for the juniors).
This was explained on the Riders FB page last night (by a Sharks fan).
There is also an explanation (by another Sharks fan) on the Riders FB page concerning the known issues they have with the court and condensation.
Apparently further residue was located near the Riders bench after Rob was seen pissing himself laughing that he’d managed to get the game abandoned 20 pts down after the first quarter. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 12:13:12 GMT
If everyone ultimately started play, referees, coaches and players, then they have agreed to play the game. As such, FIBA rules say a game like this should be continued from where it was stopped.
Both teams played on that court and the Riders feel well behind and if it were to restart at 0-0, what message does that send? It sets a dangerous precedence that if they're losing by a massive amount early just refuse to play the rest and you might get to start over.
I'm not saying that's what happened on THIS occasion but in future they'd know it's possible.
In regards to getting a forfeit win... no chance. Can you imagine the Riders win the league by one game? Nobody would take that seriously after being behind by so much. There'd alwys be an asterisks beside that title win.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 12:15:26 GMT
I’m afraid that it’s all down to sharks. I buy a product that didn’t do what it says. I return it and get a refund. Sharks may not be able to do anything about the venue but it’s their venue. Full refund to fans including travel expenses and pay riders expenses. Simple as. When have you EVER taken something back to a shop because it wasn't as described and got travel costs back for it? Ridiculous statement. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 12:33:25 GMT
Dp
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Post by benji on Dec 30, 2019 12:55:14 GMT
I’m afraid that it’s all down to sharks. I buy a product that didn’t do what it says. I return it and get a refund. Sharks may not be able to do anything about the venue but it’s their venue. Full refund to fans including travel expenses and pay riders expenses. Simple as. When have you EVER taken something back to a shop because it wasn't as described and got travel costs back for it? Ridiculous statement. Argos about 20 years ago for a multi adapter that didn't do the voltages that their book stated! |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 12:57:19 GMT
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A few years ago a BBL player, 5 games into his pro career (averaging 17 & 12) slipped on a dodgy court and never played professionally again. Just worth remembering that if you are going to question the refs decisions
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I get it, tough for the refs to call it off beforehand with a good crowd in and both teams seemingly ok to play. But after about 90s watching stream I was thinking this doesn't look safe. I thought when the refs came together after Cartwright went down at 7 mins that was it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 13:47:54 GMT
When have you EVER taken something back to a shop because it wasn't as described and got travel costs back for it? Ridiculous statement. Argos about 20 years ago for a multi adapter that didn't do the voltages that their book stated! 20 years ago... Some players in the league weren't even alive. Nobody is getting travel costs back. |
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Post by dyb dyb on Dec 30, 2019 14:07:07 GMT
Been off site since the rocks game. Too peed off at the time to comment but as time went on realised that I didnt miss some of the rubbish on here and therefore it got easier to stay away.
However I couldn't resist having a peep at comments after this game, if nothing else to try and get a nuetral views as clearly sharks and riders are not going to agree and have entirely different views.
I must say that I've not been disappointed as there's been some crap posted 'air spray' lol and all these fans that have heard exactly what's been said. To me there can be only one poster any where the truth as he's near the sharks organisation but I can see that been thrown back as bias, so no winner there.
What i saw was riders clearly unhappy with the floor before tip off and what ever was wrong with it effects to put it right were made, hence the delay. A machine could be seen on the court twice, cleaning it, washing it or whatever.
Players, representatives from the riders bench and the refs could be seen testing the floor for slippeness (refs in full gear) Kate was the umpire so she would be the one in charge, the one with the final so say.
I have been told and read that a carpet was laid for a party at Christmas and when this was lifted it left a residual also a wrong detergent was used to wash the floor, whether it was this washing to clean the residue or not that the riders were so insistent on we can only guess. Junior sharks played on it before so it was safe for them, unless adult safety is more important than a childs.
Discussion and testing went on before the decision was made for the game to go ahead, I do not believe that this decision would have been made without Robs agreement.
Watching live I saw a few slips, no more than what might happen in any game and why we have floor wipers. The worse was Cartwright who allegedly twisted his ankle but yet came back on court, very heroic and brave. Tough guy, I couldn't run around on a twisted ankle.
However I did have the privilege of watching the game back on YouTube, obviously before it was pulled, for whatever reason, perhaps because it wasnt an entire game? Watching it back you can see quite a few players from both teams slip.
This was obviously enough for the refs to review their initial decision for the game to go ahead. To me players from both teams appeared on court, it was only after sometime and some discussion that they were signalled to go back to the bench. Riders mostly sat, sharks stood up, some interacting with fans.
Rob and others representatives are part of the discussions and some part, largely between the refs and sarah (md) . Sarah talks to Rob on more than one occasion (maybe confessing to the hair spray). Sarah approached Rob by their bench before the announcement is made. What is said, I've no idea. Does he have the final word, is he given the option to play on or not? I don't know, but I don't believe the decision would have been made without some input from him. At the end of the day as umpire it would have to have been made by Kate.
Of course we are going to disagree, riders down by 17 is going to be jumped on by shark fans, robs effects before tip off pointed out by riders.
Perhaps another call for sharks to have their own venue and not have to hire one and not have to put up with long periods of times without a home game as well as venues putting on Christmas parties.
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Post by dyb dyb on Dec 30, 2019 14:08:32 GMT
Incidentally I tweeted Dan the man and he feels that the game will restart at nil nil as in the royals game.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 14:11:49 GMT
Been off site since the rocks game. Too peed off at the time to comment but as time went on realised that I didnt miss some of the rubbish on here and therefore it got easier to stay away. However I couldn't resist having a peep at comments after this game, if nothing else to try and get a nuetral views as clearly sharks and riders are not going to agree and have entirely different views. I must say that I've not been disappointed as there's been some crap posted 'air spray' lol and all these fans that have heard exactly what's been said. To me there can be only one poster any where the truth as he's near the sharks organisation but I can see that been thrown back as bias, so no winner there. What i saw was riders clearly unhappy with the floor before tip off and what ever was wrong with it effects to put it right were made, hence the delay. A machine could be seen on the court twice, cleaning it, washing it or whatever. Players, representatives from the riders bench and the refs could be seen testing the floor for slippeness (refs in full fear) Kate was the umpire so she would be the one in charge, the one with the final so say. I have been told and read that a carpet was laid for a party at Christmas and when this was lifted it left a residual also a wrong detergent was used to wash the floor, whether it was this washing to clean the residue or not that the riders were so insistent on we can only guess. Junior sharks played on it before so it was safe for them, unless adult safety is more important than a childs. Discussion and testing went on before the decision was made for the game to go ahead, I do not believe that this decision would have been made without Robs agreement. Watching live I saw a few slips, no more than what might happen in any game and why we have floor wipers. The worse was Cartwright who allegedly twisted his ankle but yet came back on court, very heroic and brave. Tough guy, I couldn't run around on a twisted ankle. However I did have the privilege of watching the game back on YouTube, obviously before it was pulled, for whatever reason, perhaps because it wasnt an entire game? Watching it back you can see quite a few players from both teams slip. This was obviously enough for the refs to review their initial decision for the game to go ahead. To me players from both teams appeared on court, it was only after sometime and some discussion that they were signalled to go back to the bench. Riders mostly sat, sharks stood up, some interacting with fans. Rob and others representatives are part of the discussions and some part, largely between the refs and sarah (md) . Sarah talks to Rob on more than one occasion (maybe confessing to the hair spray). Sarah approached Rob by their bench before the announcement is made. What is said, I've no idea. Does he have the final word, is he given the option to play on or not? I don't know, but I don't believe the decision would have been made without some input from him. At the end of the day as umpire it would have to have been made by Kate. Of course we are going to disagree, riders down by 17 is going to be jumped on by shark fans, robs effects before tip off pointed out by riders. Perhaps another call for sharks to have their own venue and not have to hire one and not have to put up with long periods of times without a home game as well as venues putting on Christmas parties. I was fearing a biased version of events. That version seems fair and reasonable. Whereas comments I've read from other sharks fans were not. And seemed to just want to blame Rob or Riders for various reasons . The fact juniors played on an unsafe court before the adults means nothing other than thank god none of them got injured badly either. I always respect Dan Routledge observations. He was worried after 30 seconds of watching the livestream and had predicted the abandonment before it finally happened. I also still question the sharks not offering refunds over the microphone which tbh leaves a sour taste to me. But that's how many businesses operate nowadays. |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 14:22:16 GMT
For me, the bigger issue is how we managed to go 17 down in Q1. We have a team that is vulnerable atm and I'm not sure how or whether it's fixable for this season.
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Post by benji on Dec 30, 2019 14:23:50 GMT
Argos about 20 years ago for a multi adapter that didn't do the voltages that their book stated! 20 years ago... Some players in the league weren't even alive. Nobody is getting travel costs back. Agreed. I should have pointed out that I wasn't the one who said they should. Just made me remember going back to Argos all those years ago! |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 14:28:02 GMT
For me, the bigger issue is how we managed to go 17 down in Q1. We have a team that is vulnerable atm and I'm not sure how or whether it's fixable for this season. We actually went 17 down in the second half of quarter one!! We were level with them halfway through the quarter at about 12-12. Sharks then went 19-2 in 5 mins approx. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 14:59:35 GMT
BBC reporter Peter Spencer said the wrong detergent may have been used to clean the Sheffield sports centre.
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Post by stevetino on Dec 30, 2019 16:07:11 GMT
BBC reporter Peter Spencer said the wrong detergent may have been used to clean the Sheffield sports centre. Well that shouldn’t happen if true |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Dec 30, 2019 16:31:06 GMT
BBC reporter Peter Spencer said the wrong detergent may have been used to clean the Sheffield sports centre. Well that shouldn’t happen if true Perhaps the cleaner was wearing the wrong trousers...hard to do the job right if so. |
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