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Post by raiders92 on Jul 25, 2021 19:05:06 GMT
Raiders in this form is as good as dead!! I think too much has been said. Both sides are to blame in some capacity and it doesn't look like its repairable. I don't think the raiders brand is dead. There's to much of a fan base and want for a team for there to be no raiders. We simply do not have a venue that could hold 500 fans this side of Exeter. I honestly see raiders appearing in an alternative form and I'd hope that this will kick the council into looking at an alternative venue that will allow the raiders to return in 5 years to being a big bbl club!! What does annoy me is when I go on holiday to butlins and within a year they build a massive concert hall in response to having limited capacity due to covid. Would be very easy for raiders and pcc to replicate it as a temporary 5 year venue until you can find something permanent. Or just convert a current unit so many big outlets in the plymourh area have gone over the past 5 years!! With parking in out of town locations that would require semi significant renovation costs (which should be short change to Mr Turkish billionaire)!! I was in the line for Burger King inside the skyline at Butlins when I found out about all this. Now forever an unhappy place. I do agree something like Studio 36 would be perfect. Maybe plonk it where the old western national bus depot was, by Laira Bridge. Probably not great for parking but neither was Pavilions. Maybe do a deal with Go Outdoors and the gym to use theirs?! Great minds think alike!! I was at butlins the week before!! But yeah something like studio 36 with some form of banked seating!! With some form of bar for match day food and the same table for sales!! I've always said look at the allied carpet venue in Plympton that has parking and would be accessible from most major bus routes. The best scenario would be next to argyle so you have the taveners bar and plenty of parking!! Its such a no brainer its impossible!! |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 25, 2021 19:07:03 GMT
Well Hersey all that means is you clearly don't understand the difference between what the words income and cost means As there nowhere in the winter sports survival application process where you could claim for revenue or income which you've claimed mistakenly for last hour on here Either that or you've been bull****ting and haven't helped anyone claim anything from DCMS? Which is it ? Is there anything you aren’t an expert in? You’re really arguing with someone who runs a team and someone who played in the league? No one is going to laugh at you for not knowing as much as them, but when you keep making post after post arguing and saying THEY are full of BS it just gets embarrassing and sad. Give it a rest for God’s sake. Don't need to be an expert to read the winter sport survival document? Bigz admitted he couldn't be arsed to do that and just knew money was used to pay wages. Which does meet the rules like I posted albeit with a cap similar as furlough wages. Meanwhile hersey being an amateur bodging it for a small claim in comparison for a low end NBL club has no bearing on how a professional making a larger claim for a bigger sports club would have to approach it And the bigger the club and bigger the claim the more a club would be held accountable and need to do things correctly You tell me to give it a rest. I've just posted the facts of the survival fund. And I've took issue with others misrepresenting it on here If we had an actual owner of a proper BBL club on here they would confirm what I've posted is accurate But believe Hersey if you prefer It's not rocket science why sports clubs could only claim for certain operating costs rather than missing income It was designed for survival Allow sports clubs to claim for income and for the well managed ones not only do they survive but they make a profit As it happens the 2.1k monthly cap on an employee's wages will have worked well in basketball compared to some more well paid sports However, CEOs etc will have suffered |
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Post by borthwick on Jul 25, 2021 20:16:56 GMT
But this has nothing to do with whats happening at Raiders.
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Post by davef on Jul 25, 2021 20:25:10 GMT
Just coming to this thread.
What a load of nonsense.
BBL clubs run year to year. They project their income which then funds the costs that the government underwrote. I know (for sure) that was done on the basis of previous seasons income.
There is nothing at all inconsistent between what Hersey describes and what the document (whatever it’s provenance) says.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 20:27:53 GMT
If we had an actual owner of a proper BBL club on here they would confirm what I've posted is accurate But believe Hersey if you prefer FFS. I really believe there's something wrong with you. You're the bloke they call when they want a party to end. I really don't care whether you - or anyone else - believes me. We provided masses of information to the DCMS. It was an enlightening experience to see other clubs' income and outgoings. We got the money. That was all that mattered, and I suspect that pisses you off because your "the sky is falling" mantra proved to be utterly wrong. It wasn't even my greatest moment, though if I'd been paying the bills it might well have been. Oaklands were always going to pick up the bill. As for the first bit of your quote that I've (mercifully) edited, look at your behaviour. Why would anyone want to be constantly harassed by a lunatic who thinks he knows everything despite having absolutely no experience of running a basketball club? I was on here before you invented basketball and before I (somehow) ended up running Leopards. But you're a walking, talking, boring example of why I'm the only GM/owner/whatever of a (semi)pro club who's ever bothered with Bev. Stick to running online jumble sales, dude |
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Post by saintpat on Jul 25, 2021 20:33:36 GMT
IRF- please stop now, enough is enough. No one has to read the same words in a different order, over & over again! We all know how you feel about this subject,we don't need to keep reading the same stuff!
I have no idea what fully happened at Raiders & neither do you but you seem intent on continuing a conversation just to wind every one up & you've exhausted my patience, which is generally very long when it comes to discussions on this board, so I'm fairly sure you're severely pissing everyone else off.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 25, 2021 21:40:40 GMT
Is there anything you aren’t an expert in? You’re really arguing with someone who runs a team and someone who played in the league? No one is going to laugh at you for not knowing as much as them, but when you keep making post after post arguing and saying THEY are full of BS it just gets embarrassing and sad. Give it a rest for God’s sake. Don't need to be an expert to read the winter sport survival document? Bigz admitted he couldn't be arsed to do that and just knew money was used to pay wages. Which does meet the rules like I posted albeit with a cap similar as furlough wages. Meanwhile hersey being an amateur bodging it for a small claim in comparison for a low end NBL club has no bearing on how a professional making a larger claim for a bigger sports club would have to approach it And the bigger the club and bigger the claim the more a club would be held accountable and need to do things correctly You tell me to give it a rest. I've just posted the facts of the survival fund. And I've took issue with others misrepresenting it on here If we had an actual owner of a proper BBL club on here they would confirm what I've posted is accurate But believe Hersey if you prefer It's not rocket science why sports clubs could only claim for certain operating costs rather than missing income It was designed for 7survival Allow sports clubs to claim for income and for the well managed ones not only do they survive but they make a profit As it happens the 2.1k monthly cap on an employee's wages will have worked well in basketball compared to some more well paid sports However, CEOs etc will have suffered Funny that, im fairly certain you accused clubs of being fraudulent to pay wages with the money before? Tunes changed a bit. I couldnt be arsed to read the document and yet I was right. What a world. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 23:42:31 GMT
can hate be good?
can hate be great?
can hate be something we dont hate?
hate something?
change something, make something better.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 26, 2021 9:40:36 GMT
Just coming to this thread. What a load of nonsense. BBL clubs run year to year. They project their income which then funds the costs that the government underwrote. I know (for sure) that was done on the basis of previous seasons income. There is nothing at all inconsistent between what Hersey describes and what the document (whatever it’s provenance) says. Are you claiming there is a special support fund where you claim differently for basketball then the rest of sport in UK ? This is how you claim. Projected income is irrelevant. Income is irrelevant. It's about claiming for operational costs. It's very simple. I have no idea why you are even discussing projected income?it has no bearing on how you claim DCMS money. claiming DCMS is all about showings costs needed for survival Straight from the document: 4. What can I apply for? The programme is focused on supporting organisational survival. That means the majority of essential business operational costs will be eligible. The amount of funding applied for will be specific to your organisation’s unique circumstances and will be based on financial need – the programme won’t cover all costs or lost revenues. Please see common examples of eligible and ineligible costs below – these lists are not exhaustive: Examples of eligible costs include: • Operational costs • Staff/employee wages and salaries* • Coronavirus testing costs • Essential coronavirus stadia improvements • Usual repayment of non-connected party debts • Legal costs associated with the SSP funding contract Examples of ineligible costs include: • Costs that are eligible to be covered by existing government coronavirus support schemes • Non-essential operational costs • Accelerated repayment of non-connected party lending • Repayment of connected party lending • Purchase of lands and buildings • Transfer fees incurred during this period • Costs incurred outside of the ordinary course of business * Player wages and highly paid individuals Funding contributions specifically towards player wages and highly paid executives will be aligned with the furlough scheme. Therefore the maximum contribution from programme funding will be limited to the furlough level at the point of decision. Please note: The application assessment process will review eligible costs. Is that document nonsense? I can also confirm sports that have claimed before can also claim for extended support to survive. Install in the document Please feel free to post the part of the application process where you have to claim via projected income Dave? If not you are the one talking nonsense You don't claim that way It's the exact same process for the summer and winter support . Just different timescales involved |
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Post by drivethebody on Jul 26, 2021 9:49:48 GMT
If we had an actual owner of a proper BBL club on here they would confirm what I've posted is accurate But believe Hersey if you prefer FFS. I really believe there's something wrong with you. You're the bloke they call when they want a party to end. I really don't care whether you - or anyone else - believes me. We provided masses of information to the DCMS. It was an enlightening experience to see other clubs' income and outgoings. We got the money. That was all that mattered, and I suspect that pisses you off because your "the sky is falling" mantra proved to be utterly wrong. It wasn't even my greatest moment, though if I'd been paying the bills it might well have been. Oaklands were always going to pick up the bill. As for the first bit of your quote that I've (mercifully) edited, look at your behaviour. Why would anyone want to be constantly harassed by a lunatic who thinks he knows everything despite having absolutely no experience of running a basketball club? I was on here before you invented basketball and before I (somehow) ended up running Leopards. But you're a walking, talking, boring example of why I'm the only GM/owner/whatever of a (semi)pro club who's ever bothered with Bev. Stick to running online jumble sales, dude What a great example of how much a conceited little person you are. You were waterboy at a sports centre side-don’t keep making yourself feel important you sad little man |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 26, 2021 10:25:00 GMT
If we had an actual owner of a proper BBL club on here they would confirm what I've posted is accurate But believe Hersey if you prefer FFS. I really believe there's something wrong with you. You're the bloke they call when they want a party to end. I really don't care whether you - or anyone else - believes me. We provided masses of information to the DCMS. It was an enlightening experience to see other clubs' income and outgoings. We got the money. That was all that mattered, and I suspect that pisses you off because your "the sky is falling" mantra proved to be utterly wrong. It wasn't even my greatest moment, though if I'd been paying the bills it might well have been. Oaklands were always going to pick up the bill. As for the first bit of your quote that I've (mercifully) edited, look at your behaviour. Why would anyone want to be constantly harassed by a lunatic who thinks he knows everything despite having absolutely no experience of running a basketball club? I was on here before you invented basketball and before I (somehow) ended up running Leopards. But you're a walking, talking, boring example of why I'm the only GM/owner/whatever of a (semi)pro club who's ever bothered with Bev. Stick to running online jumble sales, dude You say this the very same week you've done your very best to make this such an unwelcome place for the new Gloucester owner Clearly want him to fail and not interested at all in encouraging him to post on here Don't pretend you want thus place to welcome other points of views You try to bully away anybody who dares to question or challenge your point of view |
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Post by borthwick on Jul 26, 2021 10:38:26 GMT
At the risk of repeating myself this has sod all to do with Raiders so can we PLEASE close this thread lest we get another 8 pages of this.
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 26, 2021 10:46:21 GMT
At the risk of repeating myself this has sod all to do with Raiders so can we PLEASE close this thread lest we get another 8 pages of this. Ok back to Raiders Theyve asked for a year out of BBL Thats different to withdrawing from BBL When they asked for it the BBL stated they would now follow due process. Since then no word from Raiders or BBL We know Gloucester Kings won't be taking their place Worcester were removed from BBL website Raiders are still on there. What happens next ? Have any Raiders players from last season moved on yet? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 11:47:44 GMT
Several players have signed elsewhere, many still living in Plymouth
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Post by swimmingbadger on Jul 26, 2021 12:57:44 GMT
FFS. I really believe there's something wrong with you. You're the bloke they call when they want a party to end. I really don't care whether you - or anyone else - believes me. We provided masses of information to the DCMS. It was an enlightening experience to see other clubs' income and outgoings. We got the money. That was all that mattered, and I suspect that pisses you off because your "the sky is falling" mantra proved to be utterly wrong. It wasn't even my greatest moment, though if I'd been paying the bills it might well have been. Oaklands were always going to pick up the bill. As for the first bit of your quote that I've (mercifully) edited, look at your behaviour. Why would anyone want to be constantly harassed by a lunatic who thinks he knows everything despite having absolutely no experience of running a basketball club? I was on here before you invented basketball and before I (somehow) ended up running Leopards. But you're a walking, talking, boring example of why I'm the only GM/owner/whatever of a (semi)pro club who's ever bothered with Bev. Stick to running online jumble sales, dude What a great example of how much a conceited little person you are. You were waterboy at a sports centre side-don’t keep making yourself feel important you sad little man Even if that were true(which it isn't) that would still be more experience of UK basketball than you have. |
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Post by swimmingbadger on Jul 26, 2021 13:00:00 GMT
Just coming to this thread. What a load of nonsense. BBL clubs run year to year. They project their income which then funds the costs that the government underwrote. I know (for sure) that was done on the basis of previous seasons income. There is nothing at all inconsistent between what Hersey describes and what the document (whatever it’s provenance) says. Are you claiming there is a special support fund where you claim differently for basketball then the rest of sport in UK ? This is how you claim. Projected income is irrelevant. Income is irrelevant. It's about claiming for operational costs. It's very simple. I have no idea why you are even discussing projected income?it has no bearing on how you claim DCMS money. claiming DCMS is all about showings costs needed for survival Straight from the document: 4. What can I apply for? The programme is focused on supporting organisational survival. That means the majority of essential business operational costs will be eligible. The amount of funding applied for will be specific to your organisation’s unique circumstances and will be based on financial need – the programme won’t cover all costs or lost revenues. Please see common examples of eligible and ineligible costs below – these lists are not exhaustive: Examples of eligible costs include: • Operational costs • Staff/employee wages and salaries* • Coronavirus testing costs • Essential coronavirus stadia improvements • Usual repayment of non-connected party debts • Legal costs associated with the SSP funding contract Examples of ineligible costs include: • Costs that are eligible to be covered by existing government coronavirus support schemes • Non-essential operational costs • Accelerated repayment of non-connected party lending • Repayment of connected party lending • Purchase of lands and buildings • Transfer fees incurred during this period • Costs incurred outside of the ordinary course of business * Player wages and highly paid individuals Funding contributions specifically towards player wages and highly paid executives will be aligned with the furlough scheme. Therefore the maximum contribution from programme funding will be limited to the furlough level at the point of decision. Please note: The application assessment process will review eligible costs. Is that document nonsense? I can also confirm sports that have claimed before can also claim for extended support to survive. Install in the document Please feel free to post the part of the application process where you have to claim via projected income Dave? If not you are the one talking nonsense You don't claim that way It's the exact same process for the summer and winter support . Just different timescales involved Still shouting down DaveF I see? A guy with next to no experience in the day to day running of a BBL team or any idea of the legal system in this country. Keep up the good work. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 13:04:55 GMT
Are you claiming there is a special support fund where you claim differently for basketball then the rest of sport in UK ? This is how you claim. Projected income is irrelevant. Income is irrelevant. It's about claiming for operational costs. It's very simple. I have no idea why you are even discussing projected income?it has no bearing on how you claim DCMS money. claiming DCMS is all about showings costs needed for survival Straight from the document: 4. What can I apply for? The programme is focused on supporting organisational survival. That means the majority of essential business operational costs will be eligible. The amount of funding applied for will be specific to your organisation’s unique circumstances and will be based on financial need – the programme won’t cover all costs or lost revenues. Please see common examples of eligible and ineligible costs below – these lists are not exhaustive: Examples of eligible costs include: • Operational costs • Staff/employee wages and salaries* • Coronavirus testing costs • Essential coronavirus stadia improvements • Usual repayment of non-connected party debts • Legal costs associated with the SSP funding contract Examples of ineligible costs include: • Costs that are eligible to be covered by existing government coronavirus support schemes • Non-essential operational costs • Accelerated repayment of non-connected party lending • Repayment of connected party lending • Purchase of lands and buildings • Transfer fees incurred during this period • Costs incurred outside of the ordinary course of business * Player wages and highly paid individuals Funding contributions specifically towards player wages and highly paid executives will be aligned with the furlough scheme. Therefore the maximum contribution from programme funding will be limited to the furlough level at the point of decision. Please note: The application assessment process will review eligible costs. Is that document nonsense? I can also confirm sports that have claimed before can also claim for extended support to survive. Install in the document Please feel free to post the part of the application process where you have to claim via projected income Dave? If not you are the one talking nonsense You don't claim that way It's the exact same process for the summer and winter support . Just different timescales involved I don't know how many different people can tell you in how many different ways that you're talking nonsense. You've got a (very) little stiffie over the idea that you've put one over me, whereas all you're really doing is proving that there's genuinely something wrong with you. I have better things to do than arguing with you. If you consider that you've "won", I hope it makes you happy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 13:10:48 GMT
What a great example of how much a conceited little person you are. You were waterboy at a sports centre side-don’t keep making yourself feel important you sad little man ah, after a week in hiding because you couldn't forward the abusive PM you claim i sent you and because Sam asked you what you'd actually done in basketball, you've crawled out from under your stone. You're a t r 0 l l , nothing more, and not even a very good one. You bring nothing to any debate on here. You're so thick you can't even understand there were no water-boys last season. You're a perfect sidekick for IRF and you truly deserve each other. Just don't invite me to the wedding. I'll be busy running a basketball club. |
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Post by borthwick on Jul 26, 2021 13:22:58 GMT
Imagine what the kids will be like….
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 14:03:35 GMT
shudder
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Post by Colicab85 on Jul 27, 2021 11:23:06 GMT
This is unbearable.
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Post by billybob on Jul 28, 2021 6:24:09 GMT
And this is exactly why I and loads of others have deserted this board over recent seasons.
3 or 4 idiots, ruining it for everyone else. People want discussion, not childish abuse and name calling. I can't be bothered with this crap anymore.
And I wouldnt be surprised if lots more leave now too. Grow up. Seriously, you're adults.
This sport is already riddled with absolute dickheads who don't have a clue what thëy're doing and the damage they're causing. This board seems to have gone the exact same way. What a shame.
No doubt I'll get abuse for this - proving my point exactly.
Good luck. You're gonna need it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 6:43:02 GMT
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Post by borthwick on Jul 28, 2021 9:07:42 GMT
I don’t believe someone has posted on this thread again when it had finally died. Please moderators lock the damn thing. The topic has gone.
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Post by sporty on Jul 28, 2021 10:06:22 GMT
I only come on thus website to learn about bball, sometimes give my view. Agree this is now out if control and needs closing down . Im fed up with the personal attacks and bitching going on here.
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