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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 20:20:36 GMT
Well, I'm intrigued.
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Post by samgray on Jul 12, 2021 21:20:08 GMT
I’m equally intrigued and lost.
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Post by faz on Jul 13, 2021 19:31:37 GMT
Maybe we should all step back and look at everything going on with Saka, Rashford and Sancho right now and how that applies here. Yes, I know that the main topic is racism, but the underlining message…. People are quick enough to sing praises when everything is going well but then the second something bad happens look how the masses turned against them. It’s worrying to see people’s names being used in this thread who have given so much to this club, more than we will probably ever realise…. Yet we have bad news and the level of abuse and nasty comments in the public domain referencing their names directly. So far L you can see the likes of Ross and Richards names …. Step back and have a think. How would you feel if for years you had put hard work and effort into something, made sacrifices, celebrated successes and then within a click of a finger supporters and fans publicly slate you and seem to forget all the positive that has happened. Whatever happens to this club, remember the impact your words can have. We have all had a rubbish enough year as it is, why make someone else’s life worse for the sake of letting some steam off online. The soccer players weren’t abused because they missed penalties. They were abused because there are vile inadequate’s who can only justify their pathetic existence by trying to elevate their worth by racists slurs. The authorities should simply track them down and charge them appropriately. One wonders why they don’t? |
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Post by AJ on Jul 18, 2021 11:26:11 GMT
Now Raiders have finished where does PJ go?
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 18, 2021 13:28:17 GMT
Now Raiders have finished where does PJ go? Spend a ton of money for little to no end product somewhere else I guess… |
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Post by billybob on Jul 25, 2021 5:37:20 GMT
Why is the Raiders logo still on the BBL home page when Worcester's was taken off so quickly?
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Post by biggielittle on Jul 25, 2021 7:22:17 GMT
I've heard the BBL still haven't made up their mind on allowing Raiders to have a season out of the league. Wolves pulled out the league for good so it was just a case of deleting them from everything. The BBL might not accept the Raiders request so the delete button might be pressed soon.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 25, 2021 9:54:14 GMT
I've heard the BBL still haven't made up their mind on allowing Raiders to have a season out of the league. Wolves pulled out the league for good so it was just a case of deleting them from everything. The BBL might not accept the Raiders request so the delete button might be pressed soon. That would be cutting ones nose off to spite its face. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 9:59:13 GMT
I've heard the BBL still haven't made up their mind on allowing Raiders to have a season out of the league. Wolves pulled out the league for good so it was just a case of deleting them from everything. The BBL might not accept the Raiders request so the delete button might be pressed soon. That would be cutting ones nose off to spite its face. You wouldn't ever find an organisation as professional as the BBL conducting in such behaviour. |
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Post by RaidersFan92 on Jul 25, 2021 10:01:51 GMT
Interestingly, when Worcester announced withdrawal, they were removed off of the list of teams on BBL website and the story was “Worcester withdraw”. Plymouth still remain on the website and the story is Plymouth request to withdraw. Maybe there are still avenues being explored Why is the Raiders logo still on the BBL home page when Worcester's was taken off so quickly? This is what I highlighted. The wording was a request to withdraw from Raiders. Wolves just said see ya. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 25, 2021 10:01:55 GMT
Can't imagine it's down to just letting them have a year off
They owe money to Pavilions. I imagine they have other debts.
It's going to be about money
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 11:00:48 GMT
They owe money to Pavilions. I imagine they have other debts. Do they? Merely because that's been claimed in a press release doesn't make it true. They're fighting a PR war to avoid being accused of killing off a long standing part of Plymouth's sporting community. Things aren't always black & white. There's two issues the BBL will want sorted out before they allow Plymouth to play in their competition again; The venue issues are obvious - and maybe a year without any rent and associated revenue from Raiders, the Pavilions might offer a better deal because it's hard to see that rent is feasible for pro basketball - and the schism on their board between the Turks and the old guard over directors putting their hands in their pockets. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 25, 2021 11:49:22 GMT
They owe money to Pavilions. I imagine they have other debts. Do they? Merely because that's been claimed in a press release doesn't make it true. They're fighting a PR war to avoid being accused of killing off a long standing part of Plymouth's sporting community. Things aren't always black & white. There's two issues the BBL will want sorted out before they allow Plymouth to play in their competition again; The venue issues are obvious - and maybe a year without any rent and associated revenue from Raiders, the Pavilions might offer a better deal because it's hard to see that rent is feasible for pro basketball - and the schism on their board between the Turks and the old guard over directors putting their hands in their pockets. Sorry but if you owned the Raiders and were accused in the media in an official statement that you hadnt paid last year's rent then you would have refuted it the very next day And the Pavilions would have been forced to change or withdraw the statement The statement is still there in full In fact with Raiders all they did following the Pavilions statement was pull out of the league very soon after and very noticeably with ZERO reference to the Pavilions at all. BBL helped negotiate DCMS money for the season to take place Raiders started a media fallout with Pavilions Pavilions defended themselves Raiders backed off. And never mentioned Pavilions again Don't be so naiive BBL can't allow a club who mishandle DCMS money to get away with it. That could jeopardise future support for the rest of the clubs. BBL will need to be very very careful doing any favours to Raiders as a result |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 25, 2021 12:04:29 GMT
Can't imagine it's down to just letting them have a year off They owe money to Pavilions. I imagine they have other debts. It's going to be about money Mersey Tigers owed more in rent to the Echo arena than Raiders reportedly do to pavilions. They also owed basically a whole team wages, and the BBL let them carry on for two more seasons thereafter and only pulled the plug when the team became a farce. They couldn’t give a sh*t who a team owes money to. |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 25, 2021 12:10:47 GMT
Can't imagine it's down to just letting them have a year off They owe money to Pavilions. I imagine they have other debts. It's going to be about money Mersey Tigers owed more in rent to the Echo arena than Raiders reportedly do to pavilions. They also owed basically a whole team wages, and the BBL let them carry on for two more seasons thereafter and only pulled the plug when the team became a farce. They couldn’t give a sh*t who a team owes money to. DCMS money Bigz? Thats the difference. BBL can't negotiate Govt support to allow a league to continue and the owners take money and not pay to suppliers And BBL will need more of that DCMS money Hence why BBL need to very careful Where has that money gone ? Last season was the one season in BBL history that everybody should have been paid on time! |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 25, 2021 12:15:50 GMT
Mersey Tigers owed more in rent to the Echo arena than Raiders reportedly do to pavilions. They also owed basically a whole team wages, and the BBL let them carry on for two more seasons thereafter and only pulled the plug when the team became a farce. They couldn’t give a sh*t who a team owes money to. DCMS money Bigz? Thats the difference. BBL can't negotiate Govt support to allow a league to continue and the owners take money and not pay to suppliers And BBL will need more of that DCMS money Hence why BBL need to very careful Where has that money gone ? Doesnt matter. They paid players from lost revenue money presumably, so theres your dcms accounted for. Im telling you now the BBL will not be throwing Raiders out. If anything they'll be trying anything to get them back for next season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 12:22:20 GMT
Mersey Tigers owed more in rent to the Echo arena than Raiders reportedly do to pavilions. They also owed basically a whole team wages, and the BBL let them carry on for two more seasons thereafter and only pulled the plug when the team became a farce. They couldn’t give a sh*t who a team owes money to. That was before IRF invented basketball, so it doesn't count. He can't be told anything. I imagine the reason the fixtures aren't out yet is because they're still trying to keep Raiders. I'd say that's an outside shot but I find it unlikely the door won't be left ajar for 22/23. The only issue about alleged debts to the Pavilions is if it stops Raiders returning there in the future |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 25, 2021 12:23:44 GMT
DCMS money Bigz? Thats the difference. BBL can't negotiate Govt support to allow a league to continue and the owners take money and not pay to suppliers And BBL will need more of that DCMS money Hence why BBL need to very careful Where has that money gone ? Doesnt matter. They paid players from lost revenue money presumably, so theres your dcms accounted for. Im telling you now the BBL will not be throwing Raiders out. If anything they'll be trying anything to get them back for next season. Well knowing that the clubs had to document their supplier costs to get the DCMS money in the first place then I'm sure it matters to DCMS! And BBL will need to keep DCMS on side So I'm thinking it will matter for once If the moneys been spent on wages and not paying suppliers that's potentially fraudulent use of the money? Theres only so much a basketball club can get away with Mersey Tigers weren't funded with DCMS money |
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 25, 2021 12:27:26 GMT
Mersey Tigers owed more in rent to the Echo arena than Raiders reportedly do to pavilions. They also owed basically a whole team wages, and the BBL let them carry on for two more seasons thereafter and only pulled the plug when the team became a farce. They couldn’t give a sh*t who a team owes money to. That was before IRF invented basketball, so it doesn't count. He can't be told anything. I imagine the reason the fixtures aren't out yet is because they're still trying to keep Raiders. I'd say that's an outside shot but I find it unlikely the door won't be left ajar for 22/23. The only issue about alleged debts to the Pavilions is if it stops Raiders returning there in the future DCMS has never fully funded an entire BBL basketball season before so what's happened in the past is irrelevant here If still not paid Pavilions should be asking BBL to support them or going direct to DCMS if they don't get the support Big difference misusing Govt money than misusing your own money DCMS will need to trust BBL that monies won't be misappropriated No excuse for any suppliers not being paid last season. The funding was for venue costs, transport costs etc not an opportunity to divert that money to wages If the owners can't or don't want to pay what they owe then their suppliers should ensure they are liquidated to prevent them doing the same to others Has a liquidated business ever been able to transfer a BBL franchise to a new business ? |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 25, 2021 12:44:18 GMT
Why is it fraudulent? They’re just as much owed the money as anyone else? The money given to them was for lost revenue from ticket sales - if they account for players wages with that money then so be it. I had a conversation with Dan Rout on Twitter who told me it would be spent on players wages - is he wrong too?
I’ll give way to your superior knowledge on how the BBLs run.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 13:04:13 GMT
Yes Bigz, it was to replace lost income. It's that simple. The DCMS aren't going to start to comb through every single sports club it's provided money to, just to check every single bill has been paid. The sums we're talking about are an absolute drop in the ocean and given Raiders' (over)spending, I imagine there's a very good chance that their wage bill took care of all of the funding they received. DCMS simply aren't going to be interested in a minor dispute.
The BBL aren't, and never have been, responsible for club debts. Which has been known to be advantageous for Leicester Riders in the past. If the Pavilions give Andy Webb a call, it'll be a very short conversation.
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Post by borthwick on Jul 25, 2021 13:09:55 GMT
Plymouth recruited too talent , increased their wage bill but are going under because of a dispute with the Pavilions? Sorry, don't buy that. There is some big issue behind the scene that is behind this. The Pavilions issue could be sorted out with a conversation with all stakeholders. Something stinks.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 25, 2021 13:13:12 GMT
And that’s simply the bottom line Hers. The fine tooth comb stuff came with the applications based on attendance figures and the income they’d lose from not having bums on seats. After the clubs have been remunerated, it’s not the business of any government department to decide/preside over how it’s spent once the loss has been accounted for, that Raiders overspent or otherwise is their business and they’re clearly paying the price for it.
On another note, as all this feasibility stuff is coming out about seemingly stable clubs going under, I’m beginning to think the Glasgow Rocks approach (clearly operating under cutbacks for the season) wasn’t the worst thing in the world….
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Post by interestedridersfan on Jul 25, 2021 13:14:37 GMT
Why is it fraudulent? They’re just as much owed the money as anyone else? The money given to them was for lost revenue from ticket sales - if they account for players wages with that money then so be it. I had a conversation with Dan Rout on Twitter who told me it would be spent on players wages - is he wrong too? I’ll give way to your superior knowledge on how the BBLs run. Under the winter sports survival package clubs could apply to cover survival costs and NOT lost revenue Bigz They had to detail specific costs they needed money to cover in order to survive It specifically was NOT a lump sum revenue that the clubs could just use to pay wages and not suppliers That is made very clear in the application which you can see in full I will post the link to full document But below is the relevant rules to his club's could claim costs for survival - nothing to do with revenue: Examples of eligible costs include: • Operational costs • Staff/employee wages and salaries* • Coronavirus testing costs • Essential coronavirus stadia improvements • Usual repayment of non-connected party debts Examples of ineligible costs include: • Costs that are eligible to be covered by existing government coronavirus support schemes • Non-essential operational costs • Accelerated repayment of non-connected party lending • Repayment of connected party lending • Purchase of lands and buildings • Transfer fees incurred during this period • Costs incurred outside of the ordinary course of business * Player wages and highly paid individuals We expect costs specifically towards player wages and highly paid executives to not be covered through the programme funding. By exception, where a contribution from the programme is required, this will be capped at £2,100 per month. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 25, 2021 13:16:59 GMT
Plymouth recruited too talent , increased their wage bill but are going under because of a dispute with the Pavilions? Sorry, don't buy that. There is some big issue behind the scene that is behind this. The Pavilions issue could be sorted out with a conversation with all stakeholders. Something stinks. I’m not convinced. Pavilions and Raiders continued occupation has been under the microscope for a while, and I was under the (learned if I do say so myself) impression they got it at discounted rates prior to any of the pandemic even being a thing. If they think they can get more money after a massive hit to their sector by making it available at full rates, there’s nothing much Raiders can do. There was rumours they want to flatten it at one point - is that still on the cards? |
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